There IS no gravity.

[Lost4words]

Millions of people in the world in on the secret that all scientists, astronomers etc etc telling lies about the earth and space! Lol

 

[Kaon]

Good to know. This fits with the fact that the Apollo astro-nots were high level masons.

Indeed. A secret as big as the deception given is easily kept by compartmentalization.

Most people - even with clearance - do not realize what is going on; the left hand never knows what the right hand is doing. That is always the best way to make sure a secret is kept, even if one party decided to spill alleged beans. Compartmentalization and public incredulity keep the secrets too big to be kept.

 

[A_Thinker]

Sure.

Rob Skiba, Jeran Campanella, Mark Sargent, Bob Knodel and Robbie Davidson for starters.

Rob Skiba's story is very interesting and he is a strong Christian.

Eric Dubay is also one of the big names in the FE hall of fame too.

I am familiar with the rhetoric of the first three persons you name. I'm not sure about the last two.

I've listened to several debates featuring Jeran, and he's not presented compelling arguments in any of them. His talking points are largely derived from the publication "200 Proofs Earth is not a Spinning Ball", which debunkers have been busy debunking over the years. Jeran has, largely, given up trying to prove a Flat Earth scenario, although he reserves the right to critique the globe earth model.

I've listened to Rob Skiba, who is more Christian in tone, but who ultimately uses the same (now refuted) arguments that Jeran uses ...

And I've heard a bit of Mark Sargent, who seems to me to be more of an organizer than an apologist.

And I think that Eric Dubay is the author of the now largely refutted "200 Proofs Earth is not a Spinning Ball" ...

 

[A_Thinker]

Good to know. This fits with the fact that the Apollo astro-nots were high level masons.

Of the 18 men who went to the moon, (3) were Masons.

Buzz Aldrin
Edgar Mitchell
James Irwin

That, of course, leaves (15) who were not Masons

Neil Armstrong
Michael Collins
Charles "Pete" Conrad
Alan Bean
Richard "Dick" Gordon
Alan Shepard
Stuart Roosa
David Scott
Alfred Worden
John W. Young
Charles Duke
Thomas "Ken" Mattingly
Eugene Cernan
Harrison Schmidt
Ronald Evans

 

[JacksBratt]

Perhaps you shouldn't believe him if he tells you not to.

LOL. What he means is "Don't take my word for it. Go and do your own research. Test it for yourselves"

Rob has done some physical tests himself. He is not just sitting at at laptop and reading books.

He was at the high altitude balloon launch. Actually two of them. One was by the geographic tv channel, name escapes me. He was also at one that tracked a high altitude balloon with a NON FISH EYE lens. He video taped a trip from one side of Lake Michigan to towards Chicago, with Chicago in view.. to prove that it was the actual visible city and not a "mirage".

This guy gets his hands dirty. He has lost a lot of friends and supporters, not to mention money, over his stance on this.

So, when he says "don't believe me"... he means taste the pudding for yourself.. you will see it's delicious... don't miss out on it by listening to me.

 

[JacksBratt]

Sure it is! He is on a spaceship that is above the flat earth (the ultimate indicator that the photo is real) and he's using a camera to take a picture of himself next to the spaceship's window to prove that the earth is flat. You're not going to claim this to be fake, are you?

You aren't going to claim that a FE'er believes that space exists........are you?

Again... do your research. FE'ers do not think we can go to space...there is a firmament.. remember?

 

[JacksBratt]

I am familiar with the rhetoric of the first three persons you name. I'm not sure about the last two.

I've listened to several debates featuring Jeran, and he's not presented compelling arguments in any of them. His talking points are largely derived from the publication "200 Proofs Earth is not a Spinning Ball", which debunkers have been busy debunking over the years. Jeran has, largely, given up trying to prove a Flat Earth scenario, although he reserves the right to critique the globe earth model.

I've listened to Rob Skiba, who is more Christian in tone, but who ultimately uses the same (now refuted) arguments that Jeran uses ...

And I've heard a bit of Mark Sargent, who seems to me to be more of an organizer than an apologist.

And I think that Eric Dubay is the author of the now largely refutted "200 Proofs Earth is not a Spinning Ball" ...

OK, so you have looked into it. Your posts don't reflect any confidence that you understand their concepts however. Maybe I'm wrong.

Not everyone is going to be a FE believer... Me included.. I am still enjoying the data that people are presenting and I am certain that there is truth out there... it's just not the globe, as it is presented.

 

[JacksBratt]

Of the 18 men who went to the moon, (3) were Masons.

Buzz Aldrin
Edgar Mitchell
James Irwin

That, of course, leaves (15) who were not Masons

Neil Armstrong
Michael Collins
Charles "Pete" Conrad
Alan Bean
Richard "Dick" Gordon
Alan Shepard
Stuart Roosa
David Scott
Alfred Worden
John W. Young
Charles Duke
Thomas "Ken" Mattingly
Eugene Cernan
Harrison Schmidt
Ronald Evans

I may be wrong to use a blanket statement, such as "all astro NOts" but, from this article, looks more like 10 not three.

Masonic Astronauts

In the end.. NASA is driven by the masonic organization. It is deeply rooted in this as a controlling power.

 

[JacksBratt]

Indeed. A secret as big as the deception given is easily kept by compartmentalization.

Most people - even with clearance - do not realize what is going on; the left hand never knows what the right hand is doing. That is always the best way to make sure a secret is kept, even if one party decided to spill alleged beans. Compartmentalization and public incredulity keep the secrets too big to be kept.

Exactly... and, to top it all off.. all the "rocket scientists" share their knowledge... People who think that due to the many different countries with space programs... it would be impossible to keep it quiet..

It only takes a small amount of time to realize that they have all kept the Antarctic treaty for more than half a century.... to understand that they are working together underneath it all.

 

[A_Thinker]

I may be wrong to use a blanket statement, such as "all astro NOts" but, from this article, looks more like 10 not three.

Masonic Astronauts

In the end.. NASA is driven by the masonic organization. It is deeply rooted in this as a controlling power.

That's 10 astronauts out of a total of 565.

The 18 were the ones that went to the moon.

 

[Kaon]

It only takes a small amount of time to realize that they have all kept the Antarctic treaty for more than half a century.... to understand that they are working together underneath it all.

How is it that there is an alleged treaty among scores of nations within miles of each other - coexisting and sharing research. Meanwhile, on Terra Firma as we know it, the psychological paradigms tell us we should be proud of our prejudices and exploit each other for resources by any means necessary. Very interesting how Terra Firma as we know it, and Antarctica seem to work as two different worlds altogether.

That isn't a mistake; better to have us run amok fighting each other than asking questions. And, we buy into the psychological framework set up for us by... doing the aforementioned. At this point, I am enjoying how true Ecclesiastes 1:9 is - it gives me hope and faith that this entire circus age has been done before, and only subtleties of the iteration evolve as unique.

The flags of Antarctica would be the quintessential sign of solidarity among the nations of this realm... if there was actual transparency on this realm. The sad part is because of the collective layperson acceptance of the psychological paradigm presented to us, we have abdicated our "turn(s)" in the game. We keep giving up our "turns" to demand/deserve the truth by trading it for a comfortable lie!

I see what you do Jack; it is good to ask questions. Everyone is a genius (I say that with my background) which is why it is painful to see such potential buy into things your eye, or a plane ride, for example, can confirm.

 

[Radagast]

why it is painful to see such potential buy into things your eye, or a plane ride, for example, can confirm

A plane ride from, say, Sydney to Johannesburg will immediately prove the flat earth model wrong. See Qantas (QF) #63 ✈ FlightAware

So will watching a sunset.

So will watching the stars on a trip northwards or southwards.

Very interesting how Terra Firma as we know it, and Antarctica seem to work as two different worlds altogether.

Well, speaking as a citizen of the country that claims the biggest slice of Antarctica, not really.

 

[Kaon]

A plane ride from, say, Sydney to Johannesburg will immediately prove the flat earth model wrong. See Qantas (QF) #63 ✈ FlightAware

So will watching a sunset.

So will watching the stars on a trip northwards or southwards.



Well, speaking as a citizen of the country that claims the biggest slice of Antarctica, not really.

Ok.

 

[Arius]

This isn't speaking of Jesus disowning anyone. It speaks of someone leaving/betraying Jesus …

Well ... the sun still rises up over the eastern horizon ... and sets below the western horizon.

... so I am yet a globe-earther ...

Lol, .. the sun setting over the horizon is a Flat Earther claim. In imaginary space, with the paper globe the sun is not the one rising or setting. So you are close, .. real close of becoming a FE'r all you need to do is be a free thinker, not let some billionaires who are in the; 'NASA rocket-flying-club' convince you otherwise, or else they'll mock you.

 

[Arius]

• Change in stars with latitude
• Objects being hidden by the curve of the earth
• Measured distances (and aircraft flight times) between cities
• Need I go on?

As a result of gravity working this way, the gravitational force at the earth's surface on an object of mass m is:

F = 6.67408×10^-11 M m / r^2 = 9.8 m

where M is the mass of the earth, and r its radius.

Force = mass times acceleration, so:

F = m a = 9.8 m

Therefore a = 9.8. That is, ignoring air resistance, all falling objects close to the earth's surface accelerate at 9.8 metres per second per second, no matter how heavy they are.

"where M is the mass of the earth, and r its radius." LOL, .. this is a perfect example how the Germans at NASA were able to brainwash U.S. college kids who were first made to believe they are evolving mindless animals of the ape family while in kindergarten.

I think you've got force, acceleration, and speed confused. They are three different things.

Really? I thought Force = acceleration = speed?

Now if gravity existed, the feather would have it's own pulling force on the earth, and the 8,000 times more massive bowling ball would have 8,000 times the g-force, or pulling-on-the-earth-force than the feather, now try adding numbers, not letters.

In letters, G is gravity, the feather has 'G' and the bowling ball has 'G', as well as your Globe has 'G'. So you and NASA can avoid using actual numbers, you add G+G+G=G and say: "See, they all have the same 'G', so they fall at the same rate, at 'G'!" .. LOL.

Give up? Are you ready to accept that the bowling ball should have fallen faster than the feather? Or are you going to figure in the radius of the bowling ball and the circumference of the feather into the simple drop?
Remember, NASA and Brian Cox "expected" that no matter what the mass/size difference of the objects, meaning even if it was a pin and an object the size of the moon, or a rock 8,000 times the size of the moon, they will drop at the same rate, and reach the bottom at the same time!

This proves they never used real numbers to figure any moon/planet landings, which means they never went to imaginary space, but just did what you just did above, .. or used their symbol-idol E=MC^2 for everything.

 

[Arius]

There are plenty of such debates on YouTube channel Non Sequitor. Proponents of the Flat Earth really don't fare well there ... because they really don't have anything to offer ... except a lack of understanding of the Globe model.

Let's see who lacks understanding of the Globe model?

It started with this:





then once they went to space before the moon landing, it was something like this:

Then once NASA explored space, it were these, the cost in the trillion$



Nope, .. we NASA astronauts seen it like this with stars, but on the next trip, no stars;



But Michio Kaku says it's oblate like this:


Neal deGrasse Tyson thinks it's pear shaped like this;


But we Flat Earthers know that the Globe Earth is this;


Which is the ONLY true Globe earth in existence, .. in every classroom, in our homes, in the principals office, throughout the whole flat Earth. Paper or plastic, the cost: $29.95

 

[Arius]

Pluto was the first dog in space

So true!

 

[Radagast]

"where M is the mass of the earth, and r its radius."

LOL, .. this is a perfect example how the Germans at NASA were able to brainwash U.S. college kids who were first made to believe they are evolving mindless animals of the ape family while in kindergarten.

No, it's mathematics from Isaac Newton. Centuries before NASA.

Really? I thought Force = acceleration = speed?

If you think that, you understand nothing about the physics involved. Force, acceleration, and speed are all different.

Now if gravity existed, the feather would have it's own pulling force on the earth, and the 8,000 times more massive bowling ball would have 8,000 times the g-force, or pulling-on-the-earth-force than the feather, now try adding numbers, not letters.

I showed mathematically that acceleration will be independent of mass. You didn't understand that, obviously.

In letters, G is gravity, the feather has 'G' and the bowling ball has 'G', as well as your Globe has 'G'. So you and NASA can avoid using actual numbers, you add G+G+G=G and say: "See, they all have the same 'G', so they fall at the same rate, at 'G'!" .. LOL.

If you think that's what I said, you're ignorant of algebra too. That means that you won't actually understand any further explanation I give you.

 

[A_Thinker]

Lol, .. the sun setting over the horizon is a Flat Earther claim. In imaginary space, with the paper globe the sun is not the one rising or setting. So you are close, .. real close of becoming a FE'r all you need to do is be a free thinker, not let some billionaires who are in the; 'NASA rocket-flying-club' convince you otherwise, or else they'll mock you.

"Lol, .. the sun setting over the horizon is a Flat Earther claim."

Not really ... not one flat earther has yet explained how it happens.

Belief in and scientific (i.e. observational) confirmation of the globe earth happened way before NASA (and billionaires) back in Greece.

What I'm doing is steering clear of a YouTube based urban legend ...

 

[A_Thinker]

Really? I thought Force = acceleration = speed?

You're mistaken.

A Force is something which acts upon a body of mass ... to change its motion.

Speed is the rate of motion per unit of time (ex. miles per hour).

Acceleration is the change in speed per unit of time (ex. 0-60 mph in 5 seconds)