There is no Free Will PERIOD

[Panthers]

What this post says has been proven true and proven false.

hardly,

There is only one answer, and one lie.
the truth brings liquid cooling peace to body and mind.
the lies......

 

[Aaron112]

The video vindicating the Book of Revelation

No need to see that video.

Yahweh's Word is Truth. All else is vane and vanity.

 

[Aaron112]

hardly,

Referring to all the things ever published,
accoding to the authority of the internet that things are posted on,
because of lack of integrity, lack of a plumb line, lack of standard of truth,
everything/ anything has been and is currently "easy" to prove anything anyone chooses to believe.

 

[Panthers]

No need to see that video.

Yahweh's Word is Truth. All else is vane and vanity.

It is nothing but Revelation, with stolen backdrops proving fulfillments.

It is very telling, I encourage you to garner the courage and have a watch soon.

 

[Aaron112]

It is nothing but Revelation, with stolen backdrops proving fulfillments.

It is very telling, I encourage you to garner the courage and have a watch soon.

That has a false presumption in it. There is no courage at all needed to watch most videos/media, and often too much foolishness in watching, reading, or listening to unknown, unproven sources ....
thus resulting in
as someone else asked about
so many <false> doctrines (about the end times)
as that is man's way (for false teachers and false profits and false gospels!!!) to deceive man.

Thus already believing the eternal Word of Yahweh The Creator, there is no need to seek any kind of something else as if to "prove" it is true, when , in fact, too many of the unwary are caught in a trap there-by, and even the elect may be led astray.

 

[zoidar]

That’s an easy question to answer. If I choose to lie, steal, murder, and rape, is it scriptural to say that God forced me to do those things?

They are not saying God is forcing us anymore than God is forcing a cow to eat grass. Rapist rape because God created them with this sick personality. According to them, they just do what a sick person does so it's by their own will. It can however be discussed if such a will ever can be called a free will. Calling it "free" goes against everything I understand being free is about.

 

[Aaron112]

anymore than God is forcing a cow to eat grass

The king who ate grass seven years​

According to the biblical account in the Book of Daniel (Daniel 4:25-35), King Nebuchadnezzar II of the Neo-Babylonian Empire was punished by God for his hubris and arrogance. As a result, he was driven away from people and lived like a beast,

eating grass like an ox, for seven years.

 

[Strong in Him]

All in the Book of Prior and In the third Testament
for the Old testament is of the Father, and is 1st.
the New Testament is of the Son, and is 2nd.
the Book of Later is of the Holy Spirit, and is 3rd.

Since we have the Holy Spirit's authority, I am allowed to teach and write.


John 14:16

Galatians 5:18

I don't understand any of that, and it doesn't answer my question.

 

[Strong in Him]

They are not saying God is forcing us anymore than God is forcing a cow to eat grass. Rapist rape because God created them with this sick personality.

God is love.
He created humans in his own image, and said that his creation was very good, Genesis 1:31.
He made no one with a "sick personality".

 

[Aaron112]

I don't understand any of that, and it doesn't answer my question.

I thought this section was for Christians only. Guess not.
False Gospels can be found everywhere, eh? Are we supposed to understand what is false? Or even to 'touch' it?? Or reject every false gospel ?

 

[zoidar]

God is love.
He created humans in his own image, and said that his creation was very good, Genesis 1:31.
He made no one with a "sick personality".

No, agree! Should probably say created them with this "sick inclination". And then God let them be born in the contextual environment were this inclination develops and they become rapists. This view raises a whole bunch of questions. Non the less, some Christians hold it to be true.

 

[Aaron112]

He made no one with a "sick personality".

Yet most people we ever see or hear publicly anywhere have a sick/ deadly/ pernicious purpose.

 

[Strong in Him]

Yet most people we ever see or hear publicly anywhere have a sick/ deadly/ pernicious purpose.

Because Adam disobeyed God and sin came into the world.

 

[HarleyER]

Are you saying we can choose to override God’s will or what He predestined us to do? Or are you saying that God didn’t predestine everything we do? I’m confused on your understanding of this.

Romans 8:29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters;

I am saying that God foreknew (ordained) who He would save and then He predestined (set a plan in motion) how He would do that. We cannot override God's will.

Once God opens our eyes and ears, repent, and come to know the truth, we become slaves to righteousness. God guides us and help us to grow. He knows our good and bad choices. Not free will choices, but choices that He uses to guides us through spiritual growth. David chosed to have an adulterous affair with Bathsheba. He certainly learned never to do that again. Joseph chosed to settle in Nazareth apart from knowing the prophets had foretold of this. God guides His people. He also turns the hearts of kings to where He so will.

Predestination, in my opinion, is one of the most difficult subject to understand because there is a certain mystery about it. But you must start from the point of view that every single person on earth is a corrupt, evil sinner. God loves each of one of His creation. Some of us He saves by His grace and mercy, which is why it is call grace and mercy. Others He does not. Yet, not one of us deserves to be saved. Why is wrapped up in His mysterious will.

 

[HarleyER]

Would you like to understand ?

Thank you, but I understand enough.

Proverbs 16:9
The mind of a person plans his way, But the Lord directs his steps.

 

[Clare73]

There is no such thing as "free will". No where in the Bible will one find it mentioned except in a few places where the people of Israel gave a "free will offering".

Agreed. . .I present free agency, the power to make some moral choices, but not all.

"Free will" is a term born out of the Pelegius heresy. It presupposes that man is capable of doing things of God. This heresy is two fold.

First, it thinks before salvation that man can make a choice to follow God. He cannot. He's dead in sin.​

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Second, after salvation this heresy crops up by believing Christians can choose to do "good works" for God. We cannot. The Holy Spirit leads us to do the work the God has ordained for us to do. We are saved to do good works. And sometimes we are rebellous to do those good works as Jonah was. But this is the reason God saved us.​

We choose to do what we think is best but it is ALWAYS within God predestined plan. Think of Joseph who upon returning from Egypt decided it was best to move to Nazareth. Some would say that Joseph made a logical choice. But God already had predestined this and foreknown (determined-NOT looking down some tunnel) it and spoken by the prophets.​

Matt 1:23 and came and lived in a city called Nazareth. This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophets: “He shall be called a Nazarene.”​

There is the will of God which is always good. There is the human will which is always bent to do evil. God must change our will and bend it back to desire to do His will. He is ever constantly working in believers to do this very thing.

 

[Strong in Him]

I am saying that God foreknew (ordained) who He would save

He knew, and knows, who will be saved, but salvation is for everyone, John 3:16, 2 Peter 3:9.

then He predestined (set a plan in motion) how He would do that.

God chose Jesus as our Saviour before we had even sinned, 1 Peter 1:19-20.

We cannot override God's will.

That sounds like an excuse for not preaching the Gospel - "I'm not wasting time on them, the Lord has revealed to me that they won't be saved."

How awful it would be to have a God who said, "I'll save you, but not you. She can have eternal life but he can't; however much anyone prays for them."
Thankfully, my God isn't like that.

 

[AV1611VET]

The COVID "end of the world" fulfilled over 24 prophecies,

How many did Y2K fulfill?

 

[Strong in Him]

The COVID "end of the world" fulfilled over 24 prophecies, triggering the 7 year tribulation.

I doubt that.
Pandemic, 2020 - so we're in the 7-year tribulation now?

 

[HarleyER]

He knew, and knows, who will be saved, but salvation is for everyone, John 3:16, 2 Peter 3:9.

God chose Jesus as our Saviour before we had even sinned, 1 Peter 1:19-20.

That sounds like an excuse for not preaching the Gospel - "I'm not wasting time on them, the Lord has revealed to me that they won't be saved."

How awful it would be to have a God who said, "I'll save you, but not you. She can have eternal life but he can't; however much anyone prays for them."
Thankfully, my God isn't like that.

Salvation IS for everyone who believes, to the Jews first and then to the Gentile. The problem is that man's heart is EVIL. We love to sin. If we have a choice to choose a piece of fruit to make us like God or God, we will choose a piece of fruit every time. God has to bring US to repentence.

2 Timothy 2:25​

with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth,​

And, no, it is not an excuse for not preaching the Gospel. First, we are commanded to preach the gospel and we show our love to Christ by following His commandments. Second, we don't know who is called of God and who is not. It is our responsibility to go out and find them.

"How awful it would be to have a God who said, "I'll save you, but not you. She can have eternal life but he can't; however much anyone prays for them." Thankfully, my God isn't like that."

As far as us saying who God saves, that is not our calling. Our calling is simply to preach the Word.

And, if you are at all familar with Isaiah, his mission was as follows:

Isaiah 6:8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, “Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send me!” 9 And He said, “Go, and tell this people:​

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‘Keep on listening, but do not understand;
And keep on looking, but do not gain knowledge.’
10 Make the hearts of this people insensitive,
Their ears dull,
And their eyes blind,
So that they will not see with their eyes,
Hear with their ears,
Understand with their hearts,
And return and be healed.”​

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Isaiah's mission was to harden the people's heart so that they would NOT come to God. This is what judgement is all about, when God has rightfully had enough.

2 Chronicles 36:16
but they continually mocked the messengers of God, despised His words, and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord rose against His people, until there was no remedy.