There is no Free Will PERIOD

[BNR32FAN]

There is no such thing as "free will". No where in the Bible will one find it mentioned except in a few places where the people of Israel gave a "free will offering".

"Free will" is a term born out of the Pelegius heresy. It presupposes that man is capable of doing things of God. This heresy is two fold.

First, it thinks before salvation that man can make a choice to follow God. He cannot. He's dead in sin.​

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Second, after salvation this heresy crops up by believing Christians can choose to do "good works" for God. We cannot. The Holy Spirit leads us to do the work the God has ordained for us to do. We are saved to do good works. And sometimes we are rebellous to do those good works as Jonah was. But this is the reason God saved us.​

We choose to do what we think is best but it is ALWAYS within God predestined plan. Think of Joseph who upon returning from Egypt decided it was best to move to Nazareth. Some would say that Joseph made a logical choice. But God already had predestined this and foreknown (determined-NOT looking down some tunnel) it and spoken by the prophets.​

Matt 1:23 and came and lived in a city called Nazareth. This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophets: “He shall be called a Nazarene.”​

There is the will of God which is always good. There is the human will which is always bent to do evil. God must change our will and bend it back to desire to do His will. He is ever constantly working in believers to do this very thing.

If God is constantly working in believers to cause them to do good as you say, why do believers still sin?

 

[Panthers]

It almost sounds like you are seeking a way to not be held responsible for your life, but I might have got it wrong...

Yes, you have got it wrong.
Who made myself?
Was it I?
or was it God?

I accept that it was God.
I am only a witness to my creation.

 

[HarleyER]

If God is constantly working in believers to cause them to do good as you say, why do believers still sin?

Because even though we've been justified, we don't always walk by the Spirit, do we? We are at war with our sin nature.

Romans 6:17 But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.​

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You are a slave to righteousness.

 

[Panthers]

Learn what?

That Klebold & Harris had a choice?

In the 1000 year Kingdom, America becomes no more.
This 1000 year Kingdom is coming very very soon.
If I tell you how soon,
This thread will get pulled.

*This isn't to say that all the American people will be no more,
they will just not be "Americans".

Their new flag will either be white or iridescent.

 

[HarleyER]

Hello Panthers, if this is true, that God is the proximate cause of ~everything~ that happens, including our sinful choices, then what basis will there be for His judgement of anyone at the end of the age? IOW, how can God hold any of us accountable for the sinful choices that we make if He is causing/forcing us to make them

This is the biggest elephant in the room for me about all of this, because if what you believe is true, then how can God be considered to be many of the things that we know He is, like just, good and loving?

The other elephant for me is this, why the BIG ruse? Why the Incarnation? Why the Cross? Why, well, any of it then, if we are nothing more than marionettes?

The Bible tells us that we are "predestined" to adoption, to justification, sanctification and glorification, but where does it tell us (or even insinuate) that we are predestined to anything else (much less that the whole of our lives, including all of the choices that we make, are pre-DETERMINED for us by God)?

Thanks!

God bless you!!

--David
p.s. - I believe that God is able to declare the end from the beginning .. Isaiah 46:9-10, NOT because He causes (forces) all of it to happen, but because He already knows (and ordains) everything that comes to pass long before it happens, whether it is something that He allows, causes, or stops from happening.

"IOW, how can God hold any of us accountable for the sinful choices that we make if He is causing/forcing us to make them"

Romans 9:21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use?​

 

[Panthers]

Well people who take their own lives do just that (though, admittedly, it doesn't always work.)
And people who are ill can just give up and decide it is their time to go; I've seen it happen.


No idea what this means, nor where it comes from.
It's not Scripture though.

Psalm 18:2
Deuteronomy 32:4
1 Corinthians 10:2-4
...

 

[Panthers]

It's best to perceive our incarnation as inside God's Rock Tumbler.
For like a Rock inside, it really has no control of what he hits,
or what hits him,
All "the rock" can really do, is be joyous and keep himself clean.


King Solomon said it was eat and drink.
Ecclesiastes 2:24

 

[AV1611VET]

In the 1000 year Kingdom, America becomes no more.

Okay.

This 1000 year Kingdom is coming very very soon.

Not soon enough for me.

If I tell you how soon, this thread will get pulled.

I doubt that.

*This isn't to say that all the American people will be no more, they will just not be "Americans".

Okay.

Their new flag will either be white or iridescent.

Will it have a cross on it?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Because even though we've been justified, we don't always walk by the Spirit, do we? We are at war with our sin nature.

Are you saying we can choose to override God’s will or what He predestined us to do? Or are you saying that God didn’t predestine everything we do? I’m confused on your understanding of this.

 

[Strong in Him]

Psalm 18:2
Deuteronomy 32:4
1 Corinthians 10:2-4

I know God is our Rock.
But none of those Scriptures say;

The Earth is considered God's Rock Tumbler.
We are the jagged (sinful) gems, and the Lord is our smoothing stone.
At the end of the tumbling, we are judged by our brilliance;
not by other stones we acquired or by other chizelings we claim as our own.

 

[Panthers]

Okay.



Not soon enough for me.



I doubt that.



Okay.



Will it have a cross on it?

The COVID "end of the world" fulfilled over 24 prophecies, triggering the 7 year tribulation.
This was based on the 49th number of the Fibonacci Sequence 7,778,742,049
which was linked to the Book of Revelation and the world's population.
42 months after April 2020, Israel goes on the offensive.
Even more vindication to these outstanding times.
April 2027 Matthew 24:20

What you don't like Iridescent?

 

[Panthers]

I know God is our Rock.
But none of those Scriptures say;

All in the Book of Prior and In the third Testament
for the Old testament is of the Father, and is 1st.
the New Testament is of the Son, and is 2nd.
the Book of Later is of the Holy Spirit, and is 3rd.

Since we have the Holy Spirit's authority, I am allowed to teach and write.


John 14:16

Galatians 5:18

 

[Aaron112]

WARNING:

If you read this thread, it's your choice to do so, and you will be held accountable for your decision.​

Good Warning and needed.
Many participate in forums instead of trusting God trust themselves vainly .

 

[Panthers]

Good Warning and needed.
Many participate in forums instead of trusting God trust themselves vainly .

Is why I don't leave the cave unless I need to eat.

 

[Aaron112]

The COVID "end of the world" fulfilled over 24 prophecies

Do you understand that it made clear testimony the prophecy that pharmacy (pharmakeia) deceives the whole world (kosmos includes pastors, priests, doctors, scientists, politicians, actors, scholars ..... ) ...

 

[Aaron112]

Even being the very stanch Calvinist that I am, I find this rather difficult to grasp.

Would you like to understand ?

 

[Panthers]

Do you understand that it made clear testimony the prophecy that pharmacy (pharmakeia) deceives the whole world (kosmos includes pastors, priests, doctors, scientists, politicians, actors, scholars ..... ) ...

Did you watch the video?

 

[Aaron112]

As we cannot live in both Universes (Free will & Destiny) at once.

What this post says has been proven true and proven false.

 

[Aaron112]

Did you watch the video?

What video ?

 

[Panthers]

What video ?

The video vindicating the Book of Revelation and the fulfillments thereof.

spoiler alert, the Wuhan HORSESHOE Bat, is the Beast of the Earth. (Bat Cave)