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What do "evening" and "morning" mean without a sun?
There is no Biblical reason to exclude animal death before Adam.
God could provide light more directly rather than rely on a star for illumination. It suggests that creation week was regarding a more spiritual place and not our current planet becasue "day and night" is only a reality for one single spot on the globe.What do "evening" and "morning" mean without a sun?
There is no Biblical reason to exclude animal death before Adam.
I'm currently ambiguous on how the interpretation of Gen. 1 ought to be interpreted. My church leans more towards young earth creationism, but I am having trouble believing certain aspects of it as I also do with Old Earth Creationism.
I'm looking for theological answers not so much scientific ones. This isn't hostile at all, I just want to understand you guys better.
I just wanted to ask some of my most heavy questions:
1. I understand with the day age theory, each "day" supposedly represents an age, and that the word "yom" has multiple meanings. My trouble comes when it says "there was evening and there was the morning: the first day/day one." It seems like the author is defining the word yom as some sort of daylight cycle. How would a day age theorist handle this?
2. Death before sin, and probably disease before sin. How can it be that misery could have existed before Adam and Eve sinned?
3. What do you believe about the Flood? Do you believe it was a universal Flood? Or do you believe it was a local Flood, and how can you justify it Scripturally?
Sorry I can't help you more--I think day-age theories are the bunk. In fact, I think that any attempt to reconcile the conclusions of science with the creation account in Gen 1 is misguided. In my opinion, the Gen 1 creation account was cast into a seven day format by its author(s) for literary and theological reasons which had nothing to do with the cosmological discoveries to be made three millennia in the future.
1. I understand with the day age theory, each "day" supposedly represents an age, and that the word "yom" has multiple meanings. My trouble comes when it says "there was evening and there was the morning: the first day/day one." It seems like the author is defining the word yom as some sort of daylight cycle. How would a day age theorist handle this?
2. Death before sin, and probably disease before sin. How can it be that misery could have existed before Adam and Eve sinned?
3. What do you believe about the Flood? Do you believe it was a universal Flood? Or do you believe it was a local Flood, and how can you justify it Scripturally?
speedwell:
Here are some note from E.W.Bullinger on on Genesis 1.
Genesis = Greek = generation, creation. For its being complementary to the Apocalypse.
The world that then was: 2 Peter 3:5-6.
As for My comments. Genesis is not the story of the creation of this Planet Earth. Genesis is the story of the creation of what would eventually become Israel. It is not a literal creation, it is a spiritual creation.
Eph 3:8-12 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world has been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of Him.
In Eph 3:9 the word, world, according to Strong's interpretation is Israel. Therefore, since the beginning of Israel; not the world. This is further backed up by the following verses.
Mark 10:6-8 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they two shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
John_8:44 You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in Him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of His own: for He is a liar, and the father of it.
There is much more that shows that Genesis 1 is not the creation of Planet Earth, but rather of what was to become, the Nation of Israel. Science is more correct than most Bible readers! Much more could be shown, but I stop here for now.
Andy Centek
It's far from clear what "evening" and "morning" mean here, especially before the sun is created.
Nothing in Genesis rules out animal or plant death before the Fall.
Nothing in Genesis requires that Australia was flooded.
"There was evening and there was morning," makes it perfectly clear even to cave men.
Not specifically ,but logically it does. It is likely that Satan did not wait long to temp Eve and since everything God created was very good, it is unlikely any of them died before the fall.
Genesis 7:19-20 does
Can you explain to this cave man what "evening" means with no sun?
Well, that's all your theory. Me, I don't think animal death is bad. And I'm pretty sure lions were created to eat meat.
No, that doesn't mention Australia. And "world" need not mean "planet."
It's far from clear what "evening" and "morning" mean here, especially before the sun is created.
Nothing in Genesis rules out animal or plant death before the Fall.
Nothing in Genesis requires that Australia was flooded.
Can you explain to this cave man what "evening" means with no sun?
Well, that's all your theory. Me, I don't think animal death is bad. And I'm pretty sure lions were created to eat meat.
No, that doesn't mention Australia. And "world" need not mean "planet."
Radagast:Quibbler noted.
Radagast:
Evening and morning are exactly that, evening and morning. Where does it say there was no Sun in Genesis 1? It also does not say that the Sun was created in Genesis 1.
However, evening and morning, when used in some senses, means a beginning and an end.
Andy Centek
Holy men wrote the scriptures, they were intended for spiritual instruction not accurate history.I'm currently ambiguous on how the interpretation of Gen. 1 ought to be interpreted. My church leans more towards young earth creationism, but I am having trouble believing certain aspects of it as I also do with Old Earth Creationism.
I'm looking for theological answers not so much scientific ones. This isn't hostile at all, I just want to understand you guys better.
I just wanted to ask some of my most heavy questions:
1. I understand with the day age theory, each "day" supposedly represents an age, and that the word "yom" has multiple meanings. My trouble comes when it says "there was evening and there was the morning: the first day/day one." It seems like the author is defining the word yom as some sort of daylight cycle. How would a day age theorist handle this?
2. Death before sin, and probably disease before sin. How can it be that misery could have existed before Adam and Eve sinned?
3. What do you believe about the Flood? Do you believe it was a universal Flood? Or do you believe it was a local Flood, and how can you justify it Scripturally?
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