Theistic Evolution is not Supported by the Scripture!?

[herev]

May the Lord have mercy on me and my patience. All I want to know is if this is something that you learned at church or is it your own theories THAT ARE BASED ON SCRIPTURE, HISTORY AND SCIENCE (or at least as someone understands them)--you will notice that I said such as a denomination--is this your original thinking, induction, theory, postulation, hypothesis, deduction, etc--or did you hear this from someone else first? Why are you sidestepping this question?

Dear herev,

I thought I already did, my friend!

The source of my belief is based on Scripture, History and Science. Perhaps, you need to review all of my postings on this thread in case you forgot.

1) I cited more than enough Scriptures, didn't I? Unless you wanted more, then, let know since I have few more in my pocket.

2) Science agrees that 3 elements are necessary for physical form (air, dust and water) - Genesis 1:1-2 met that criteria.

3) Science finally agrees that all living creatures must originated from the waters. Genesis 1:21 documented this proven fact before any single scientist or Evols ever born on this planet.

4) History records the world's first civilization developed and began in Mesopotamia -- after Noah's arrived on this planet 10,000 +- years ago as described in the Scripture.

On the other hand, TE's flawed theories of the Genesis do not agree with Scripture, Science nor History!


God Bless

 

[Vance]

Dear Readers,

The fallacies of the begging questions by the poster above goes something like these...

1) Why do our scientist called the Neanthadals, Cro-Magnons etc. Pre-Historic Beings and not Humans? Why is it that they were not able to build their own city and able to write their history, like the way we Humans do?

Why are there hunter gatherer societies today that do not do so? The answer is very simple and is two-fold:

1. There was no reason to do so, since the hunter/gatherer lifestyle was extremely successful and productive. It was simply a better life than those lived by the first neolithic agricultural and herding societies. There are many reasons why they eventually developed agriculture and herding, but one of them was that the hunter/gatherer lifestyle eventually became less productive as the big game herds were killed off. This is why the hunter/gather society in North America continued until the late 1800's in our plains indians, because the herds were still there and it is a better lifestyle overall.

2. Human's have always developed more complex social structures over time. Even among the paleolithic cultures, we see a growing complexity as time goes by, even though it moved much slower. By your logic, we would not call the early agricultural civilizations human, because we have developed more complex methods of governing, communicating, etc.

Your arguments are based on simple ignorance of what we know about our history.

2) Please provide as a proof (hard evidence) if God is really true!

There is none, we know this from our personal relationships and from that wonderful quality of Faith. If God could be proven, we would have very few atheists.

I am very much disappointed, if this is the only begging questions the poster could come up with.

As we could all see, TE's seem to be not well verse with the TRUTH of the Scripture, yet, on the other hand, they always have a hard time proving their case based on our history or science.

This is pathetic, and I am not bothering with you anymore. I think you were sent here to try the patience of the Godly, and I guess I am not Godly enough, since I am out of patience with you.

 

[2Pillars]

May the Lord have mercy on me and my patience. All I want to know is if this is something that you learned at church or is it your own theories THAT ARE BASED ON SCRIPTURE, HISTORY AND SCIENCE (or at least as someone understands them)--you will notice that I said such as a denomination--is this your original thinking, induction, theory, postulation, hypothesis, deduction, etc--or did you hear this from someone else first? Why are you sidestepping this question?

Dear herev,

Would it make any difference if I tell you that they were Spiritual Revelation to us and honestly believe it? Of course, there are few of us who receive the Spirit of Truth continually.

Just to give you another revelation:

The making of Adam from the dust of the ground (Genesis 2:7) on the 3rd day of genesis was an entirely different event from the creation of Adam and Eve in the image and likeness of God (Born Again Spiritually) Gen. 1:27;5:1-2, and that event, only took place after Cain had already killed Abel.

Now, are you going to believe that herev?

1Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. v10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

v14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Thank you Lord!

 

[2Pillars]

Dear Readers,

Contrary to Vance' or TE's flawed theory (previous post) Man learned the "civilized" or domesticated agriculture first before they learned how to hunt for a living.

Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to KEEP it.

 

[herev]

Dear herev,

Would it make any difference if I tell you that they were Spiritual Revelation to us and honestly believe it? Of course, there are few of us who receive the Spirit of Truth continually.

Yes, it would make a difference to know you believe that--but I still would like to know who "us" is. If I were to ask you the question in the form of a multiple choice, would that help? It sure would take you a lot less time to answer a simple question
Is what you believe:
a) of your own discernment
or
b) the belief of a wider body of believers.
Please limit your answer to one letter--and it must be one of the first two letters in the English alpahbet.

Just to give you another revelation:

oh, boy, lot of revelations, all I want is one answer

The making of Adam from the dust of the ground (Genesis 2:7) on the 3rd day of genesis was an entirely different event from the creation of Adam and Eve in the image and likeness of God (Born Again Spiritually) Gen. 1:27;5:1-2, and that event, only took place after Cain had already killed Abel.

and which planet were they from?

Now, are you going to believe that herev?

no

1Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. v10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.v14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

and yet the Spirit (he and I are old friends) has told me that there is no truth to this revelation either
1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Thank you Lord!

protect us Lord

 

[herev]

Dear Readers,

Contrary to Vance' or TE's flawed theory (previous post) Man learned the "civilized" or domesticated agriculture first before they learned how to hunt for a living.

Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to KEEP it.

Dear Readers, please know that the part I have highlighted in red of 2Pillars post goes against every Anthropological theory I have ever heard of (until I read that post)

 

[grmorton]

The Garden of Eden was on a mountain, for a river went out of Eden and split into four heads. Please show us where, on this planet, a river, which leaves a mountain, splits into four rivers and waters the whole face of the earth. Noah and his descendants would have named, any river they found, the names of the rivers on the first Earth.

I have no doubt you will ignore this, but the Okavango River in Botswana does precisely that--splits into 4-5 major streams. You can see a picture of this from space at http://home.entouch.net/dmd/contprofile_okavango.jpg

The green are the trees which gain their water from the river. Now it is time for you to proclaim that no one has presented any such evidence for you.

 

[KristianJ]

Dear herev,

The 1st World was completely destroyed in the Flood. The 2nd World (our planet) will be Burned. The 3rd Heaven is forever. Since Today is the 6th Creative Day, you should understand what could happen, later on Today.


God Bless

2Pillars,

I cannot see how we are still living in the 6th Creative day as you have termed it. Genesis 1:31 to 2:3 clearly states that the 6th day of creation is over:

[bible]Genesis 1:31-2:3[/bible]

Otherwise, there are some statements that I can't answer for you because I don't have a sufficient knowledge of anthropology or related studies.

 

[2Pillars]

Dear Readers,

Contrary to Vance' or TE's flawed theory (previous post) Man learned the "civilized" or domesticated agriculture first before they learned how to hunt for a living.

Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to KEEP it.

Dear Readers, please know that the part I have highlighted in red of 2Pillars post goes against every Anthropological theory I have ever heard of (until I read that post)

Dear herev,

Perhaps, you also need to cite these passages below as well to all of your TE's friends, especially Vance, who seems to be ignorant or unaware of the first learning lesson learned by Adam from our Lord.

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to TILL the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

 

[2Pillars]

BUMP! BUMP! BUMP! To all TE' fanatics, anybody home?

The Garden of Eden was on a mountain, for a river went out of Eden and split into four heads. Please show us where, on this planet, a river, which leaves a mountain, splits into four rivers and waters the whole face of the earth. Noah and his descendants would have named, any river they found, the names of the rivers on the first Earth.

I have no doubt you will ignore this, but the Okavango River in Botswana does precisely that--splits into 4-5 major streams. You can see a picture of this from space at http://home.entouch.net/dmd/contprofile_okavango.jpg

The green are the trees which gain their water from the river. Now it is time for you to proclaim that no one has presented any such evidence for you.

Dear Readers,

It seems like grmorton will go to extreme to try to show us their false assumption. However, he could not even show us the actual article (if there's any) in order for us to check the credibility of the so called mountain that split into four rivers that watered the WHOLE SURFACE of the earth - the world of Adam thru Noah!

The only reason to believe such, is in vain effort to cover up TE's distorted doctrinal faith -- that, accordingly, Okavango River in Botswana was the actual location where the garden of Eden used to be.

Nice try again but no cigar! Next Please

 

[herev]

so you're still going to ignore my question
tsk, tsk
what are you ashamed of?

Don't bother, I've lost interest

 

[2Pillars]

2Pillars,

I cannot see how we are still living in the 6th Creative day as you have termed it. Genesis 1:31 to 2:3 clearly states that the 6th day of creation is over:

Verse not found.

Otherwise, there are some statements that I can't answer for you because I don't have a sufficient knowledge of anthropology or related studies.

Dear KristianJ,

The common mistake of so many Christians including TE's in understanding the Book Genesis is -- they take the entire Genesis chapter1 as history which included prophecies.

Genesis 1 summarizes the complete History of all Creations including the 3rd Heaven. It details the History of How the Godhead Created His Perfect, physical, World for us to see - from the beginning until God rested on His 7th. Day (SHABATH - CEASE TO CREATE).

Most of it is past, but some of it is future. Gen. 1:29 shows us Prophecy that mankind will Eat of Every Tree, which includes the Tree of Life. This prophecy is fulfilled in Heaven. Rev. 22:2

Gen. 1:30 is also future and will be fulfilled when Jesus Returns to this Planet, and the Lion eats Straw as the Ox. Isaiah 11:7

When these prophecies are fulfilled, God's Creation of His Perfect Heaven, will be completed, and brought to Perfection....Finished. Then God will Rest or Sabbath, and He will Cease "ALL His work which God created and made." Gen. 2:3

There was no 24 Hour Day in Genesis and Scripture does not state that there was a 24 hour Day. Genesis shows that God has 6 Creative Days, and 1 Day of Rest which will Never End.



God Bless

 

[herev]

There was no 24 Hour Day in Genesis and Scripture does not state that there was a 24 hour Day. Genesis shows that God has 6 Creative Days, and 1 Day of Rest which will Never End.



God Bless

serious question not that I expect a serious answer, but
Does this suggest that God is still resting? That his creative works are finished?

 

[herev]

YEC's--I'm glad he's on your side

 

[2Pillars]

serious question not that I expect a serious answer, but
Does this suggest that God is still resting? That his creative works are finished?

Dear herev,

No. The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are still working even to this very moment. His creative work is not yet done untill they are perfected.

Today is still the 6th creative day of God. In fact, everyday (our time) God continues to work and create people in his image and likeness, after they are born again Spiritually.

Acts 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Have you been born again, herev?

 

[Dark_Lite]

Dear herev,

No. The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are still working even to this very moment. His creative work is not yet done untill they are perfected.

Today is still the 6th creative day of God. In fact, everyday (our time) God continues to work and create people in his image and likeness, after they are born again Spiritually.

Acts 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Have you been born again, herev?

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Funnily enough you're the only proponent I know of on this particular interpretation of scripture.

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[2Pillars]

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Funnily enough you're the only proponent I know of on this particular interpretation of scripture......

Perhaps, if you listen more to Christ, the Son of the Invisible God, then you would come into conclusion that Baha'u'llah is fake -- who claims to be the "glory" of God.

 

[grmorton]

Dear Readers,

It seems like grmorton will go to extreme to try to show us their false assumption. However, he could not even show us the actual article (if there's any) in order for us to check the credibility of the so called mountain that split into four rivers that watered the WHOLE SURFACE of the earth - the world of Adam thru Noah!

The only reason to believe such, is in vain effort to cover up TE's distorted doctrinal faith -- that, accordingly, Okavango River in Botswana was the actual location where the garden of Eden used to be.

Nice try again but no cigar! Next Please

I knew you would deny what eyes can clearly see. The fact is that eretz is more often translated as country or local land, than it is as planet earth. THus, you miss the point that rivers can fit the description here on earth today. Why don't you go to a local newstand and get the latest Natl. Geographic. But then, you will also deny that such a magazine exists. Way to go YECism, another success!

 

[herev]

Dear herev,

No. The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are still working even to this very moment. His creative work is not yet done untill they are perfected.

agreed

Today is still the 6th creative day of God. In fact, everyday (our time) God continues to work and create people in his image and likeness, after they are born again Spiritually.

So, when God said in Genesis 1:31, "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning--the sixth day?

Acts 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

and yet, you seem to know while the rest of us have no clue

Have you been born again, herev?

You probably wouldn't think so, but lukily you're not in charge.

 

[2Pillars]

Quote:

Have you been born again, herev?

You probably wouldn't think so, but lukily you're not in charge.

Dear herev,

Of course, I valued your inquiry as a fair "moderator" of this forum. That is also why I tried to answer your query to the best way that I could. (ref. your post #93)

Therefore, there's no reason for you to get smart on me, especially, when you are the one who's seeking for some answers to begin with, my friend!

Now, the reason I posted the question above, is because it is my understanding, contrary to the popular belief, that NOT everybody is created in the image and likeness of God or born again spiritually! And I am not sure if you are aware of that, herev.

Certainly, Cain who was a murderer from the beginning, the father of lies, was not an image and likeness of God, don't you agree? Only willingly ignorant will stumble to this truth, am I correct?

God Bless