Theistic Evolution is not Supported by the Scripture!?

[herev]

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Have you been born again, herev?

Dear herev,

Of course, I valued your inquiry as a fair "moderator" of this forum. That is also why I tried to answer your query to the best way that I could. (ref. your post #93)

What exactly does my being a moderator--fair or not, have to do with anything? I have posted and asked questions in this thread as a member--my being a moderator has nothing to do with it.

Therefore, there's no reason for you to get smart on me, especially, when you are the one who's seeking for some answers to begin with, my friend!

I apologize. Which part of what I said was being "smart on you?"

Now, the reason I posted the question above, is because it is my understanding, contrary to the popular belief, that NOT everybody is created in the image and likeness of God or born again spiritually! And I am not sure if you are aware of that, herev.

As has been pointed out in these fora numerous times, everyone that posts in this area is a self-identifying Christian. Why you should choose me to ask if I am born again is a little confusing, but hey, that's why I suspect you won't think I am.

Certainly, Cain who was a murderer from the beginning, the father of lies, was not an image and likeness of God, don't you agree? Only willingly ignorant will stumble to this truth, am I correct?

Cain was created just as you and I were, in the likeness of God--through his choices and his misuse of the free will God gave him, he sinned, just as you and I sin--which tarnishes all our likenesses and images. It is only through righteous sacrifice (for us the Blood of Jesus) that we are restored to the proper image.

God Bless

thanks

 

[2Pillars]

Now, the reason I posted the question above, is because it is my understanding, contrary to the popular belief, that NOT everybody is created in the image and likeness of God or born again spiritually! And I am not sure if you are aware of that, herev.

Certainly, Cain who was a murderer from the beginning, the father of lies, was not an image and likeness of God, don't you agree? Only willingly ignorant will stumble to this truth, am I correct?

Cain was created just as you and I were, in the likeness of God--through his choices and his misuse of the free will God gave him, he sinned, just as you and I sin--which tarnishes all our likenesses and images. It is only through righteous sacrifice (for us the Blood of Jesus) that we are restored to the proper image. thanks

Dear herev,

That's is exactly what I am affraid of, my friend!

Cain could have never been created in the image or likeness of God, simply because he was a murderer and a father of lies. He was the seed of the serpent, the devil, as prophesied in Genesis 3:15!

In the day Adam & Eve were created in the likeness of God, the next generations to his likness was Seth! Cain was not even included in the book of the generations of Adam when they were created or born again spiritually

If you don't believe me, then, please explain why these passages below do not agree with the popular traditional view which is flawed!

Genesis 5
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. IN THE DAY that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; v2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, IN THE DAY when they were created. v3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

The Scripture is very specific IN THE DAY, isn't it?

As I have said before, the MAKING of Adam from the dust of the ground (Gen. 2:7) on the 3rd Day, is entirely different event from the CREATION of Adam in the image and likeness of God! Gen. 1:26-27; 5:1-3

1Cor. 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.


God Bless

 

[herev]

Dear herev,

That's is exactly what I am affraid of, my friend!

Cain could have never been created in the image or likeness of God, simply because he was a murderer and a father of lies. He was the seed of the serpent, the devil, as prophesied in Genesis 3:15!

In the day Adam & Eve were created in the likeness of God, the next generations to his likness was Seth! Cain was not even included in the book of the generations of Adam when they were created or born again spiritually

If you don't believe me, then, please explain why these passages below do not agree with the popular traditional view which is flawed!

Genesis 5
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. IN THE DAY that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; v2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, IN THE DAY when they were created. v3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

The Scripture is very specific IN THE DAY, isn't it?

As I have said before, the MAKING of Adam from the dust of the ground (Gen. 2:7) on the 3rd Day, is entirely different event from the CREATION of Adam in the image and likeness of God! Gen. 1:26-27; 5:1-3

1Cor. 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.


God Bless

Why do you only answer part of the questions and not others, in particular I am concerned about this one?

What exactly does my being a moderator--fair or not, have to do with anything? I have posted and asked questions in this thread as a member--my being a moderator has nothing to do with it.

I do not know why you are making such a big interpretation based on the words, In the day. I see nothing to contradict what I have said before
Adam was created in the image of God, then he sinned and thus was an imperfect reflection or image of God. CAin, as shown in the text you quoted was formed in the image of Adam--a flawed reflection of God.

 

[2Pillars]

Why do you only answer part of the questions and not others, in particular I am concerned about this one?

Dear herev,

I believe I've already made my point on those personal issues, therefore, I don't need to address it anymore.

I do not know why you are making such a big interpretation based on the words, In the day. I see nothing to contradict what I have said before Adam was created in the image of God, then he sinned and thus was an imperfect reflection or image of God. CAin, as shown in the text you quoted was formed in the image of Adam--a flawed reflection of God.

Jesus Christ is the Image of the invisible God. Col. 1:15 In Him dwelleth ALL the fullness of the Godhead, Bodily. Col. 2:9 Jesus says "he that hath seen Me hath seen the Father" John 14:9

As you should be able to see, to be Created in God's Image, after His likeness, is to be Created in Christ, or Created, Spiritually. Adam was formed, Physically, on the 3rd Day, but was Created, Spiritually, in Christ, on the 6th Day, just as the verses I posted verify.

Notice that Adam and Eve were Created at the same time, on the 6th Day. Eve was not formed physically until the 6th Day. Gen. 2:22

If you are trying to show us that Adam was Created Spiritually, on the day when he was formed, then please explain why Scripture does NOT agree with you.

God Bless

 

[herev]

Dear herev,

I believe I've already made my point on those personal issues, therefore, I don't need to address it anymore.

no, sir you have not. The goal of effective communication is to successfully convey a message from one party to another--in such a way that it is understood by the receiver with the same intent as it was sent by the originator. IN this case, the communication has failed as I do not know what you were talking about.
To remind you of the history:

Have you been born again, herev?

You probably wouldn't think so, but lukily you're not in charge.

Of course, I valued your inquiry as a fair "moderator" of this forum. That is also why I tried to answer your query to the best way that I could. (ref. your post #93)

Therefore, there's no reason for you to get smart on me, especially, when you are the one who's seeking for some answers to begin with, my friend!

What exactly does my being a moderator--fair or not, have to do with anything? I have posted and asked questions in this thread as a member--my being a moderator has nothing to do with it.

You have insinuated that my status as a moderator here is influencing this discussion--in fact it COULD be interpreted to say that I was using my moderator hat in an unfair manner.
I have no desire to proceed until you address that one way or the other.
I have repeatedly asked you questions lately that you have either ignored or danced around. I'm done. The ball is in your court.

 

[Vance]

Herev, maybe he thought that when you said "luckily, your not in charge", you were somehow referring to being "in charge" here on the forum, thus his reference to your role as a moderator. I know it would be pretty bizzare for him to think that, since you were talking about salvation, but that is my guess.

 

[herev]

Herev, maybe he thought that when you said "luckily, your not in charge", you were somehow referring to being "in charge" here on the forum, thus his reference to your role as a moderator. I know it would be pretty bizzare for him to think that, since you were talking about salvation, but that is my guess.

yes, I thought of that, and then I thought, nah, he couldn't think we have that much power. God is in charge of salvation issues (He doesn't even let Erwin decide those things here at CF)

 

[Fed]

Wow, I haven't heard much about TE's, but if this is what you have to deal with, no wonder you're so sure of your beliefs.

 

[2Pillars]

Dear Readers,

As I have predicted at the beginning of this thread, most Evols and TE’s alike cannot use Scripture to sustain or support their flawed religious belief.

They can only use their own interpretational methods that don't agree with Scripture, Science, nor History. They can only base their "proper interpretation" on their own religious view, which is flawed.

The moment they try to use the Scripture to support their claim and get confronted, their Biblical ignorance becomes more apparent. Therefore, it's not surprising to see them resort their old tactic and attack the poster instead of dealing with the issue.

These arrogant, unsupported, views of people who cannot show us Scripturally, their allege “proper interpretation”, are not worthy of any true study of God's Holy Word.

BTW, Te’s and Evols, how does it feel to be in the receiving end of the sticks, heh? Just wondering nothing personal.


Happy Holidays to All. See you next week.

 

[grmorton]

Dear Readers,

As I have predicted at the beginning of this thread, most Evols and TE’s alike cannot use Scripture to sustain or support their flawed religious belief.

I have a whole page on my site discussing the theology of how a TE can be a TE AND a person who believes in Biblical historicity. It is based upon a view of the Days of Proclamation, the observation that God ordered the earth to actually bring the life forth, and an observation that the Bible itself says that the earth is really old. One can see more at http://home.entouch.net/dmd/theo.htm

Happy Holidays to All. See you next week.

I prefer the more traditional, Merry Christmas. Have a Merry Christmas 2Pillars and everyone else as well.

 

[herev]

Dear Readers,

As I have predicted at the beginning of this thread, most Evols and TE’s alike cannot use Scripture to sustain or support their flawed religious belief.

my religious belief is Christian--I can use scripture to support and sustaing that just fine, thank you. Why would you call Christianity a flawed belief?

They can only use their own interpretational methods that don't agree with Scripture, Science, nor History. They can only base their "proper interpretation" on their own religious view, which is flawed.

interpretation methods are not supported nor disproven based on Scripture--however good interpretation is based in part on the sciences of textual criticism, source criticism, hisotical criticism, form criticism, just to name a few, all of which are supported by history.

The moment they try to use the Scripture to support their claim and get confronted, their Biblical ignorance becomes more apparent.

As has been told to you repeatedly, scritpure neither supports nor denies evolution. Evoution neither supports nor denies scripture. I am not, nor are any of the TE's here, Biblically ignorant--to say so is to bear false witness against a fellow Christian, I assume that you accept the 10 commandments? (or is that for another planet?)

Therefore, it's not surprising to see them resort their old tactic and attack the poster instead of dealing with the issue.

you mean like:

their Biblical ignorance becomes more apparent

or

are not worthy of any true study of God's Holy Word.

or

Have you been born again, herev?

or

TE's seem to be not well verse with the TRUTH of the Scripture,

or

To all TE' fanatics, anybody home?

yes, I'm familiar with the use of personal attacks as a ploy to not answer questions. All of the above are from you--and those are just in this thread!

These arrogant, unsupported, views of people who cannot show us Scripturally, their allege “proper interpretation”, are not worthy of any true study of God's Holy Word.

arrogant--you're kidding, right? Perhaps you should read some of the quotes I just posted

BTW, Te’s and Evols, how does it feel to be in the receiving end of the sticks, heh? Just wondering nothing personal.

What sticks--have you heard, sticks and stone will break my bones? Well, there's nothing here to even cause a bruise.


Once again, you have avoided answering the questions, what are you afraid of or embarrased by?

 

[herev]

Wow, I haven't heard much about TE's, but if this is what you have to deal with, no wonder you're so sure of your beliefs.

welcome

 

[Dark_Lite]

Dear Readers,

As I have predicted at the beginning of this thread, most Evols and TE’s alike cannot use Scripture to sustain or support their flawed religious belief.

They can only use their own interpretational methods that don't agree with Scripture, Science, nor History. They can only base their "proper interpretation" on their own religious view, which is flawed.

The moment they try to use the Scripture to support their claim and get confronted, their Biblical ignorance becomes more apparent. Therefore, it's not surprising to see them resort their old tactic and attack the poster instead of dealing with the issue.

These arrogant, unsupported, views of people who cannot show us Scripturally, their allege “proper interpretation”, are not worthy of any true study of God's Holy Word.

BTW, Te’s and Evols, how does it feel to be in the receiving end of the sticks, heh? Just wondering nothing personal.


Happy Holidays to All. See you next week.

Another fun quote, just like that guy in the other thread.

2Pillars,


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Never mind. There is nothing to say about this stuff here. At least nothing that wouldn't get me a warning.

 

[Dark_Lite]

Perhaps, if you listen more to Christ, the Son of the Invisible God, then you would come into conclusion that Baha'u'llah is fake -- who claims to be the "glory" of God.

Also, even more funny, I love how you make assumptions about my entire belief system from one quote in my signature.

Why do you think I have a Catholic icon hmmm?

 

[2Pillars]

BUMP! TO ALL TE's and Evols - I am back -- on the issue!

Did anybody of you find any "civilization" that is older than Mesopotamia as described in Scripture?

The History of Human Civilization began in the Cradle of Civilization, in Mesopatamia after Noah arrived on this planet 10,000 +- years ago. From there came math, writing, commerce, technology, etc. All of the things which we call Human Civilization, Today

.

IF not, then, are you all already to admit your errors?

Go to Mesopotamia [Article] - World Book Online Americas Edition or any other Encyclopedia, and you will find that the first Human Civilization, is found in Mesopatamia, EXACTLY as described in Scripture.

Failure to show an Earlier Human Civilization will be the test. Either show us another, according to History, or we must accept History, which shows that God knew exactly what He wrote.

When you accept the Historical evidence, you will go exactly opposite of the Religion of the Evolution of Human Intelligence. Science should quit fighting History, in it's attempt to establish it's False Religion.

We inherited our Human Intelligence from the descendants of Noah, who built the FIRST Human cities and Civilizations on this Planet.

Just waiting... waiting.... waiting...

God Bless

 

[herev]

he's baaaack, and still won't answer the questions

 

[grmorton]

BUMP! TO ALL TE's and Evols - I am back -- on the issue!

Did anybody of you find any "civilization" that is older than Mesopotamia as described in Scripture?

IF not, then, are you all already to admit your errors?
Just waiting... waiting.... waiting...

God Bless

I doubt you would accept a religious sanctuary with carved art at El Juyo, Spain which dates to 14,000 years ago.

"Perhaps the most stimulating recent work on the Upper Cantabrian
Magdalenian has been doen at the site of Cuevo del Juyo in the
province of Santander. Here Leslie Freeman and Gonzalez
Echegaray (1981) report the discovery within the cave of an
elaborate mound constructed of stone, clay, and sand. Associated
with the mound are large quantities of animal bones and a large
block of stone which appears to have been crudely sculpted into a
feline face. The placement of the mound in the cave's interior,
the central position of the stone face and other unusual
features, suggests to the excavators that the site served as a
shrine or sanctuary. The date of 12,920 +/- 240 years B. P. from
a contemporary layer in the cave's main gallery places the
mound's construction near the end of the Upper Cantabrian
Magdalenian phase." ~ D. Bruce Dickson, The Dawn of Belief,
(Tuscon: The University of Arizona Press, 1990), p. 81

"A sculpted stone face-half animal, half human--presided over a
sanctuary at El Juyo Cave in northern Spain 14,000 years ago.
Scientists who discovered the 118-foot-square complex just within
the entrance to the cave say that it is the first intact
religious sanctuary found from the Paleolithic times and the
oldest known religious shrine." ~ C.Simon, "Stone-Age Sanctuary,
Oldest Known Shrine, Discovered in Spain," Science News
, Dec. 5, 1981, p. 357

"From the description given above and an examination of the
photograph and drawing, the reader will realize that the stone
face represents a being whose nature is dual, although the two
sides of its character have been harmoniously integrated into one
single face. The proper right side of the face is that of an
adult male human, with moustache and beard. The proper left side
is a large carnivore, with oblique eye, large lachrymal, and a
moderately long nose, ending in a good depiction of a naked
rhinarium. The chin is triangular, and a sharply pointed tooth
projects above the mouth. On the muzzle there are three
subparallel lines of black spots suggesting the bases of whiskers
or vibrissae, a characteristic feature of felids. Taken as a
whole, these features represent a large cat, probably a lion or
leopard (both existed near El Juyo in Magdalenian times)." ~ L.
G. Freeman and J. G. Echegaray, "El Juyo: A 14,000-year-old
Sanctuary From Northern Spain," History of Religion, Aug. 1981,
p. 15-16.

I mentioned the Temples on Malta which are from 4000 BC but you ignored them. I guess if you ignore all evidence which doesn't fit your views, then you will feel that your views are vindicated.

 

[Vance]

Again, it is a false premise. The date of the first civilization is irrelevant, and 2Pillars has utterly failed to show that this is the relevant issue. Until he shows exactly why "civilization" has any significance, this is simply a "false dilemma" and a strawman, two fallacies combined in one!

 

[herev]

seems 2Pillars used the same argument everywhere:
http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=10918272&postcount=42
exact same words even
oh well, he's no longer posting under a Christian icon, so he should not be back around

 

[mhess13]

seems 2Pillars used the same argument everywhere:
http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=10918272&postcount=42
exact same words even
oh well, he's no longer posting under a Christian icon, so he should not be back around

But here's what get's me, if I would've even hinted that the MAY not be Christian (and since he no longer has a christian icon so it is safe to assume he is not a christian) I would've went into a "forced early retirement"...