Theistic Evolution is not Supported by the Scripture!?

[grmorton]

Dear rmwilliams,

You’re aboslutely WRONG.. Cain built the first city on the 1st Heaven (the world of Adam thru Noah)Genesis 1:6-8 -- just outside, east of the garden of Eden – which was, but later, completely destroyed by the universal flood when the windows of heaven were opened, Genesis 7:11.

Wow. I didn't think anyone seriously thought that Noah came from another planet. This should really help the young-earth cause and make it look reputable.

 

[Vance]

Yes, I really would like to hear from some Creationists, either YEC or OEC, in this thread.

 

[herev]

You can only use your religious interpretational methods of Genesis -- which don't agree with Scripture

Now that's the oddest statement I've heard since someone said Noah was not from this planet--- oops, that was the same thread

 

[grmorton]

Now that's the oddest statement I've heard since someone said Noah was not from this planet--- oops, that was the same thread

Don't forget that he actually said: You can only use your religious interpretational methods of Genesis -- which don't agree with Scripture, Science nor History

I guess his view is that one can only believe something so long as it disagrees with everything else.

 

[rmwilliamsll]

I have very little time for someone who is so uneducated on this topic as to make outlandish inferences of a biological theory with regards to the history of human civilisation. You, quite simply, don't know what the heck you are blathering about.

when do you just have to give up on a particular discussion and move on? click on 'put X on ignore' and avoid threads started by X? i value my time and somethings just have to come under the rubric of:

don't bother trying to teach a pig to sing
you can't do it and it just annoys the pig.....

sometimes i just plain wonder why.
i feel a twing of guilt in doing so, figure i just might be missing something, but sometimes the signal to noise ratio just gets too large to bear.

....

 

[2Pillars]

2 pillars, is this thinking that Noah was not from this planet some of your own thinking or were you taught this from a particular denominational background. I curious as I have never heard it before--I mean NEVER. I would appreciate it if you would shed some light on your sources.

Dear herev,

Doesn't matter what one thinks but what one can support with Scripture. The 1st Firmament, Heaven, or Universe was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6-8 The 2nd and 3rd Heavens or Kosmos, were made on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-5

The 1st Universe was destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:5-7 The present Heaven or Universe will be burned. ll Peter 3:10 The 3rd Heaven is where Jesus is, physically. ll Corinthians 12:2

“Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. v2 In my Father's house are MANY MANSIONS: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.” Jesus-John 14:1

 

[2Pillars]

Now that's the oddest statement I've heard since someone said Noah was not from this planet--- oops, that was the same thread

Dear herev,

Gen. 1:6-8 documents that the 1st Firmament or Heaven was made on the 2nd Day. Gen. 2:4-5 documents that the 2nd and 3rd Heavens were made on the 3rd Day.ll Corinthians 12:2 documents that the Apostle Paul was caught up to the 3rd Heaven.

IOW, Scripture documents that there are 3 Heavens and you say you don't know about another World? Read ll Peter 3:5-7, and explain why God spoke of the world that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, which Perished. (Greek-Destroyed, Totally)

Tell us the fate of the Heavens and the Earth WHICH ARE NOW, and explain where Christians will be when this happens. We both know that this World will be Burned, and you tell me Scripture does not speak of other Worlds?

“Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. v2 In my Father's house are MANY MANSIONS: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.” Jesus-John 14:1

 

[2Pillars]

Wow. I didn't think anyone seriously thought that Noah came from another planet. This should really help the young-earth cause and make it look reputable.

The Garden of Eden was on a mountain, for a river went out of Eden and split into four heads. Please show us where, on this planet, a river, which leaves a mountain, splits into four rivers and waters the whole face of the earth. Noah and his descendants would have named, any river they found, the names of the rivers on the first Earth.

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I CREATE new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

 

[2Pillars]

Don't forget that he actually said: You can only use your religious interpretational methods of Genesis -- which don't agree with Scripture, Science nor History

I guess his view is that one can only believe something so long as it disagrees with everything else.

If Noah had not left his world and came to this Planet, we would still be innocent Apes, because Evolution does NOT produce Humans. Human Intelligence must be inherited from another Human.

 

[herev]

2 pillars, is this thinking that Noah was not from this planet some of your own thinking or were you taught this from a particular denominational background. I curious as I have never heard it before--I mean NEVER. I would appreciate it if you would shed some light on your sources.

Dear herev,

Doesn't matter what one thinks but what one can support with Scripture. The 1st Firmament, Heaven, or Universe was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6-8 The 2nd and 3rd Heavens or Kosmos, were made on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-5

The 1st Universe was destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:5-7 The present Heaven or Universe will be burned. ll Peter 3:10 The 3rd Heaven is where Jesus is, physically. ll Corinthians 12:2

“Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. v2 In my Father's house are MANY MANSIONS: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.” Jesus-John 14:1

So, could you just answer the question?

 

[herev]

Now that's the oddest statement I've heard since someone said Noah was not from this planet--- oops, that was the same thread

Dear herev,

Gen. 1:6-8 documents that the 1st Firmament or Heaven was made on the 2nd Day. Gen. 2:4-5 documents that the 2nd and 3rd Heavens were made on the 3rd Day.ll Corinthians 12:2 documents that the Apostle Paul was caught up to the 3rd Heaven.

IOW, Scripture documents that there are 3 Heavens and you say you don't know about another World? Read ll Peter 3:5-7, and explain why God spoke of the world that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, which Perished. (Greek-Destroyed, Totally)

Tell us the fate of the Heavens and the Earth WHICH ARE NOW, and explain where Christians will be when this happens. We both know that this World will be Burned, and you tell me Scripture does not speak of other Worlds?

“Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. v2 In my Father's house are MANY MANSIONS: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.” Jesus-John 14:1

As I believe you are reading into scripture things that are not there, you are also reading into my posts things that are not there. Where did I say tht Scripture does not speak of other wolds?

 

[Vance]

No, all he can do is continue to restate this theory, without backing it up with either Scriptural analysis OR evidence from God's Creation. He just restates his concept, and fairly rudely at that, and then asks whether we are ready to give up our beliefs in favor of his entirely unsupported, contradicted position. Why are we bothering?

 

[2Pillars]

So, could you just answer the question?

Dear herev,

I thought I already did, my friend!

The source of my belief is based on Scripture, History and Science. Perhaps, you need to review all of my postings on this thread in case you forgot.

1) I cited more than enough Scriptures, didn't I? Unless you wanted more, then, let know since I have few more in my pocket.

2) Science agrees that 3 elements are necessary for physical form (air, dust and water) - Genesis 1:1-2 met that criteria.

3) Science finally agrees that all living creatures must originated from the waters. Genesis 1:21 documented this proven fact before any single scientist or Evols ever born on this planet.

4) History records the world's first civilization developed and began in Mesopotamia -- after Noah's arrived on this planet 10,000 +- years ago as described in the Scripture.

On the other hand, TE's flawed theories of the Genesis do not agree with Scripture, Science nor History!


God Bless

 

[Gold Dragon]

2) Science agrees that 3 elements are necessary for physical form (air, dust and water) - Genesis 1:1-2 met that criteria.

Are you sure it isn't water, fire, earth and air?

 

[Vance]

But you have not answered a single question I have asked. You have not even attempted to answer them.

 

[Gold Dragon]

3) Science finally agrees that all living creatures must originated from the waters.

It is the evolution part of science that says this.

 

[2Pillars]

Dear Readers,

Adam became an intellectual natural being after he was made from the dust of the ground. He provided all the names of the creatures whenever they were brought to him by our Lord God, Genesis 2:20.

The difference between Adam's human intelligence (not to mentioned the above) and those of the "pre-historic" beings made from the waters on the 5th day, was the fact that Adam also acquired the knowledge of Good and Evil and became like them (God) Gen. 3:22 -- while the pre-historic beings remain innocents until they started forming a union with manKind. Gen. 6

The reason there is No evidence of Human Civilization before Noah's grandsons built a city, on this planet, in Mesopotamia, is that Humanity was inherited from Noah, a direct descendant of the first Human, Adam.

Noah's grandsons married the descendants of the sons of God (Prehistoric Man) and produced those with the intelligence necessary to WRITE their own History.

Today, we have the DNA of the sons of God (Prehistoric Man) and also have the Human Intelligence that can ONLY be inherited from Adam, the first Human. Yes, we all descended with modifications from a common ancestor, and his name is Adam.

God Bless

 

[Vance]

But again, this is just a restatement of your theory, not an explanation of how that theory is supported by the facts that we have. How do you explain all the pre-historic cultures that I mentioned, for example? Were they human or not? If not, why not, exactly? Not just a restatement of your conclusions, but the BASES for those conclusions and how the conclusions fit the evidence we have.

Please answer these questions:

1. Why do you not think that the cultures and societies I mentioned from before 10,000 BC did not show human intelligence? How do you know that they did not know good and evil? Not just your theory, but actual evidence and analysis.

2. Why do you think Noah came from another planet? Not just your restatement that you believe he did, but exactly why the Scripture compels this and how the evidence we have from history conforms to this belief.

 

[2Pillars]

Dear Readers,

The fallacies of the begging questions by the poster above goes something like these...

1) Why do our scientist called the Neanthadals, Cro-Magnons etc. Pre-Historic Beings and not Humans? Why is it that they were not able to build their own city and able to write their history, like the way we Humans do?

2) Please provide as a proof (hard evidence) if God is really true!

I am very much disappointed, if this is the only begging questions the poster could come up with.

As we could all see, TE's seem to be not well verse with the TRUTH of the Scripture, yet, on the other hand, they always have a hard time proving their case based on our history or science.

 

[2Pillars]

BUMP! BUMP! BUMP! To all TE' fanatics, anybody home?

Wow. I didn't think anyone seriously thought that Noah came from another planet. This should really help the young-earth cause and make it look reputable.

The Garden of Eden was on a mountain, for a river went out of Eden and split into four heads. Please show us where, on this planet, a river, which leaves a mountain, splits into four rivers and waters the whole face of the earth. Noah and his descendants would have named, any river they found, the names of the rivers on the first Earth.

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I CREATE new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.