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Of course. The defendant in a criminal case deserves the presumption of innocence. The burden of proof is on the prosecution. Though I think there is one exception. As I recall, if the IRS charges you with criminal tax evasion, the burden is on you to show evidence proving you’re innocent.there is a reason why our court system has a prosecuting attorney and a defense attorney and why the trial does not simply stop after the prosecutor provides his argument as it does in some countries. In this country you are innocent until Proven guilty and you have the opportunity to challenge any and all evidence or testimony used against you. Evidence or testamentary can be an error or a flat out lie, unless it can hold up to scrutiny and be found to be accurate and reliable it is not evidence.
I'm glad that the one we had was unsuccessful.You are right, thank the Lord we haven't had a seditious insurrection yet.
What tax fraud?why jump to conclusions about things that have not been charged, What "tax fraud", What "obstruction" What "theft" lets deal with facts not what if's, not imagined charges or violations, FACTS ONLY please.
Dissenting voices can be arbitrarily silenced, people put in prison for years without trial, and presidential candidates can be pursued with frivolous charges to keep them from winning an election.I know that Donald and many of his ardent supporters want an authoritarian regime where dissenting voices can be crushed by the weight of government, but we're not living in such a country... yet.
I believe something is in reverse here! Donald and his supporters are not wanting an authoritarian regime but we have one and it does not say MAGA on it.know that Donald and many of his ardent supporters want an authoritarian regime where dissenting voices can be crushed by the weight of government, but we're not living in such a country... yet.
I guess the party hats will just have to stay on the shelf a bit longer.CNN (citing 'a source familiar with the case') says the Manhattan grand jury won't meet today.
Come on now you do know who the big guy is right? Then what about the millions from the Chinese. Oh yeah he had illegal documents too ,but the were safely tucked away in his garage and multiple other locations. On video saying if they don't fire him you don'y get the billion dollars. Image if Trump had said the same thing. Who did Biden want fired? Oh yea it was the guy investigating his son. And trump paid hush money to a porn star old news in fact it is so old that the statute of limitations has run out but doe that matter to the left?Whoa, hey, if Biden has done far worse, then he definitely needs to go to jail. It'll have to wait until he leaves office, but then we can nail him and put him away. Now, I don't know what he did that could have been far worse, or even just as bad... or even illegal at all... but I'm sure the House Republicans will be investigating hard, so maybe they'll come up with something.
Well, at least the classified documents one has some grounding in reality. And that happens to be a pet peeve of mine. I hope that gets a thorough investigation. Having those documents show up in multiple locations is a bit too much to be an accident. Just because Trump did it much worse doesn't excuse Biden.Come on now you do know who the big guy is right? Then what about the millions from the Chinese. Oh yeah he had illegal documents too ,but the were safely tucked away in his garage and multiple other locations. On video saying if they don't fire him you don'y get the billion dollars. Image if Trump had said the same thing. Who did Biden want fired? Oh yea it was the guy investigating his son.
That's some very interesting fan fiction, but Donald's shady way of doing things was well known before he ever stepped foot on the escalator. His reputation was particularly sullied among New Yorkers - aka those that knew him best. Dems had been unhappy with him since the Obama birth certificate nonsense.
What I find fascinating about this is the disconnect between what Donald's ardent fans think others are thinking and what they really are thinking. No one is expecting Donald to wind up in Rikers Island over this indictment. If it happens, it merely means the wheels of justice have started to turn. The grand jury in Georgia is still considering the evidence provided to them by the special grand jury. Jack Smith's investigation continues into the document theft and January 6th. There are more indictments coming.
This seems to be a recurring theme among Donald's most ardent supporters. The opinions expressed by CF members are not legally binding. When I say he stole the documents he was hoarding at his hotel, am I making a legal judgement? No. I'm averring my conclusion based upon what I know at this time. Same with the "perfect" phone call in Georgia.
Of course it goes without saying that Donald's most ardent supporters had no problem chanting "lock her up" for 5 years, but... yeah.
President Obama wasn't personally in charge of Obama for America, the campaign paid the fine and the case involved donations to the campaign, not money being taken from it.
This has been covered ad nauseum. Donald isn't in legal trouble for merely "mishandling classified documents". None of the three sections of the USC cited in the search warrant involved classification. Donald's crime was willfully and unlawfully retaining documents that were the property of the U.S. government. His lawyers even perjured themselves when they attested to him returning every document when he hadn't. On the contrary, President Biden and Vice President Pence have been proactive and cooperative.
That's just embarrassing.
he is hardly the only example, he is simply the only one who was charged with a crime and taken to trial. Comey, McCabe, and Strzok All three were fired for their abuse of power, corrupt acts, and suspected lies.Clinesmith? He's literally the only example and the judge concluded he sincerely thought that Page wasn't working with the CIA and was trying to save himself some paperwork. That's the proof that "they" broke the law to in order to charge Donald with a crime?
We'll likely find out today, won't we?
I know that Donald and many of his ardent supporters want an authoritarian regime where dissenting voices can be crushed by the weight of government, but we're not living in such a country... yet.
Our freedoms are being throttled by Uncle Joe Biden? The guy who can’t remember his lines?I believe something is in reverse here! Donald and his supporters are not wanting an authoritarian regime but we have one and it does not say MAGA on it.
Who has been "silenced" and by whom?Dissenting voices can be arbitrarily silenced,
Ah yes, the J6 "political prisoners" who are only being held because they walked like tourists through statuary hall. This sort of embarrassing ersatz martyr nonsense could be cured by perusing the Amnesty International website to see what real persecution looks like.people put in prison for years without trial,
Donald isn't going to win in 2024 and the stomping of feet and shaking of fists won't change the fact that he's committed crimes and is being held accountable.and presidential candidates can be pursued with frivolous charges to keep them from winning an election.
There are no leftist politicians in the U.S. other than Bernie and some socialist mayors in Wisconsin. There certainly are no extreme leftist politicians.We're only seeing extreme leftist politicians engaging in this right now--hence the subject matter of this thread.
Image if Trump had said the same thing.
After seeing the obvious mess this country is in on all fronts why do people still follow the current resident in the White House? Why do people choose to go down on a sinking ship while being proud to hate Trump? It's beyond me, maybe you can explain !It's been demonstrated repeatedly over the past seven years that Donald Trump can say and do anything, and some will continue to follow him. Trump knows this and has said as much.
I'm afraid I remain extremely skeptical of some of your hightly biased takes on "facts". I want Biden out of office, but I'm not gonna base that on silly innuendo. I've got plenty of reasons to vote against him without the fake facts.As do all of the other points I made. Facts are stubborn things!
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