The Way to Have Faith Alone

[Aaron112]

So how do you know God has not drawn all people and some have just rejected the free gift of Eternal Life. Does this verse you use say that God only draws certain people.

Do you think that God would draw someone unto Himself, and also harden their heart - as He has mercy on whom He will, and He hardens whom He will. ?

 

[d taylor]

Do you think that God would draw someone unto Himself, and also harden their heart - as He has mercy on whom He will, and He hardens whom He will. ?

But the two verses you are referencing are discussing two different subjects. So how can you use one verse to explain the other.

 

[Aaron112]

But the two verses you are referencing are discussing two different subjects. So how can you use one verse to explain the other.

I don't. I was just attempting to answer your question when you asked if the Father draws everyone to Himself....
Since the Father hardens the hearts of those He chooses to harden,
I don't at all believe that the Father draws everyone to Himself.

 

[d taylor]

I don't. I was just attempting to answer your question when you asked if the Father draws everyone to Himself....
Since the Father hardens the hearts of those He chooses to harden,
I don't at all believe that the Father draws everyone to Himself.

Is there evidence (a Bible verse or 2) that states this hardening happens and prevents a person from being able to trust in The Messiah for Eternal Life.

If God is hardening hearts why would satan need to, deceive people in relation to eternal life salvation, example parable of the soils.

 

[Aaron112]

Is there evidence (a Bible verse or 2) that states this hardening happens and prevents a person from being able to trust in The Messiah for Eternal Life.

If God is hardening hearts why would satan need to, deceive people in relation to eternal life salvation, example parable of the soils.

It is written somewhere in Scripture that some living people, walking around on this world/earth,
are condemned already, now, today, while they are alive,
because of their unbelief.

God says He hardens the hearts of those He chooses to harden. Satan doesn't need to do anything other than anything God says he does.

 

[Mark Quayle]

It is written somewhere in Scripture that some living people, walking around on this world/earth,
are condemned already, now, today, while they are alive,
because of their unbelief.

God says He hardens the hearts of those He chooses to harden. Satan doesn't need to do anything other than anything God says he does.

Yes, John 3:18 among others...

@d taylor

God hardens some by use of Satan's efforts, among other means.

 

[d taylor]

It is written somewhere in Scripture that some living people, walking around on this world/earth,
are condemned already, now, today, while they are alive,
because of their unbelief.

God says He hardens the hearts of those He chooses to harden. Satan doesn't need to do anything other than anything God says he does.

Again you are using the verse about the hardening of hearts. But this verse and its context, are not in the context of a person receiving eternal life.

Why were the Pharisees able to reject the will of God, because God gave them the ability to have faith in Jesus or to not have faith. After they rejected Jesus, God could (and may have) harden their hearts. But i do not believe God, initially harden their hearts, so that all they could do was to reject Jesus as The Messiah.

 

[BBAS 64]

Paul is saying these people do not have faith in God. But all these people do have the ability to exercise the act of faith. Their faith is just directed at other objects and not God

Everyone has the ability to have faith like i said in something or someone.

There are no verses stating that God has elected certain people to have faith

Good Day, d taylor

Paul is very clear For not all have faith.

I do not recall ever saying there was such a verse.

I can assure you there is no verse that says " all (every single person) have faith" as you assert.


In Him,

Bill

 

[d taylor]

Good Day, d taylor

Paul is very clear For not all have faith.

I do not recall ever saying there was such a verse.

I can assure you there is no verse that says " all (every single person) have faith" as you assert.


In Him,

Bill

So you are saying there are people on earth who do not have the ability to have faith in something or someone.

 

[BBAS 64]

So you are saying there are people on earth who do not have the ability to have faith in something or someone.

Good Day,

No... People have "faith' that their car will start in the morning when they turn the key, or that their chair will hold them. It is based upon the knowledge and past experience with cars, and chairs.


I am saying that man does not have Biblical faith that is granted by God, though the hearing of his word Romans 10.


Biblical faith has three essential aspects: notitia, assensus, and fiducia.

Notitia. Notitia refers to the content of faith, or those things that we believe. We place our faith in something, or more appropriately, someone. In order to believe, we must know something about that someone, who is the Lord Jesus Christ.

Assensus. Assensus is our conviction that the content of our faith is true. You can know about the Christian faith and yet believe that it is not true. Genuine faith says that the content — the notitia taught by Holy Scripture — is true.

Fiducia. Fiducia refers to personal trust and reliance. Knowing and believing the content of the Christian faith is not enough, for even demons can do that (James 2:19). Faith is only effectual if, knowing about and assenting to the claims of Jesus, one personally trusts in Him alone for salvation.


In Him,
Bill

 

[Mark Quayle]

Good Day,

No... People have "faith' that their car will start in the morning when they turn the key, or that their chair will hold them. It is based upon the knowledge and past experience with cars, and chairs.


I am saying that man does not have Biblical faith that is granted by God, though the hearing of his word Romans 10.


Biblical faith has three essential aspects: notitia, assensus, and fiducia.

Notitia. Notitia refers to the content of faith, or those things that we believe. We place our faith in something, or more appropriately, someone. In order to believe, we must know something about that someone, who is the Lord Jesus Christ.

Assensus. Assensus is our conviction that the content of our faith is true. You can know about the Christian faith and yet believe that it is not true. Genuine faith says that the content — the notitia taught by Holy Scripture — is true.

Fiducia. Fiducia refers to personal trust and reliance. Knowing and believing the content of the Christian faith is not enough, for even demons can do that (James 2:19). Faith is only effectual if, knowing about and assenting to the claims of Jesus, one personally trusts in Him alone for salvation.


In Him,
Bill

Some people have personal trust and reliance on temporal things —some of them to the point of religious expression and devotion! Some see presidents and kings this way. But that is not salvific faith, since it cannot be anything but human in origin and integrity. And salvific faith CANNOT be generated by the will of the lost. It is a gift of God, generated by God alone within the individual. If faith depends on the integrity of the faithful, we have a problem.

 

[BBAS 64]

Some people have personal trust and reliance on temporal things —some of them to the point of religious expression and devotion! Some see presidents and kings this way. But that is not salvific faith, since it cannot be anything but human in origin and integrity. And salvific faith CANNOT be generated by the will of the lost. It is a gift of God, generated by God alone within the individual. If faith depends on the integrity of the faithful, we have a problem.

Eph 1:15 For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love toward all the saints, I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come

 

[d taylor]

Good Day,

No... People have "faith' that their car will start in the morning when they turn the key, or that their chair will hold them. It is based upon the knowledge and past experience with cars, and chairs.


I am saying that man does not have Biblical faith that is granted by God, though the hearing of his word Romans 10.


Biblical faith has three essential aspects: notitia, assensus, and fiducia.

Notitia. Notitia refers to the content of faith, or those things that we believe. We place our faith in something, or more appropriately, someone. In order to believe, we must know something about that someone, who is the Lord Jesus Christ.

Assensus. Assensus is our conviction that the content of our faith is true. You can know about the Christian faith and yet believe that it is not true. Genuine faith says that the content — the notitia taught by Holy Scripture — is true.

Fiducia. Fiducia refers to personal trust and reliance. Knowing and believing the content of the Christian faith is not enough, for even demons can do that (James 2:19). Faith is only effectual if, knowing about and assenting to the claims of Jesus, one personally trusts in Him alone for salvation.


In Him,
Bill

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There is no such thing as special Biblical faith. If it was, every believer would be in perfect harmony with every other believer about what is Biblical truth. All would be in perfect agreement on everything from creation to future prophecies.

The faith used to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life is the everyday faith used by people each day in their lives. It is just some simply do not believe The Bible is a true witness about God, Eternal life, etc...

Can a person believe something is true and not actually not trust in what they believe is true. Example can a person believe that Eternal Life salvation is received by faith in The Messiah but not actually trust in The Messiah.

 

[Mark Quayle]

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There is no such thing as special Biblical faith. If it was, every believer would be in perfect harmony with every other believer about what is Biblical truth. All would be in perfect agreement on everything from creation to future prophecies.

The faith used to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life is the everyday faith used by people each day in their lives. It is just some simply do not believe The Bible is a true witness about God, Eternal life, etc...

Can a person believe something is true and not actually not trust in what they believe is true. Example can a person believe that Eternal Life salvation is received by faith in The Messiah but not actually trust in The Messiah.

Your reasoning is faulty. There is no warrant to believe, should there be a special kind of faith to Christianity, unlike any other, Biblical faith, that all things would be perfect. If faith is a gift of God, and able to save, then it CANNOT be engendered of man. And none of us are without some remnant of the 'old man's' influence.

 

[John Mullally]

Some people have personal trust and reliance on temporal things —some of them to the point of religious expression and devotion! Some see presidents and kings this way. But that is not salvific faith, since it cannot be anything but human in origin and integrity. And salvific faith CANNOT be generated by the will of the lost. It is a gift of God, generated by God alone within the individual. If faith depends on the integrity of the faithful, we have a problem.

Calvinists insist that faith is the gift at Ephesians 2:8, but it’s actually salvation that is the gift, in which salvation is a gift freely received by faith rather than being obtained through one’s performance under the Mosiac Law. Romans 6:23 indicates the same: “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” The gift is clearly salvation, in terms of receiving eternal life through faith in Christ.

Faith (or trust) in God is an act of the will, describing an action between two agents. If the agency of man is absorbed under “Monergism,” then it is no longer faith or trust being displayed, but instead an action that God does to Himself through another agent. Faith and trust in God requires willing human consent, or else it’s no longer faith and trust that we are talking about. Faith

 

[d taylor]

Your reasoning is faulty. There is no warrant to believe, should there be a special kind of faith to Christianity, unlike any other, Biblical faith, that all things would be perfect. If faith is a gift of God, and able to save, then it CANNOT be engendered of man. And none of us are without some remnant of the 'old man's' influence.

Your opinion really does not matter to me, as your theology forces you to even define faith (as obedience) different than I do. So really there is no common ground to have a discussion on to begin with.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Your opinion really does not matter to me, as your theology forces you to even define faith (as obedience) different than I do. So really there is no common ground to have a discussion on to begin with.

Nevertheless, like you, I will, as I see fit, react to falsehood. I had no intention of starting a debate with you, but of showing that your reasoning was, let's say, lousy.

 

[Rescued One]

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THANK YOU SO VERY, VERY MUCH!

I'm sooo grateful for your response! You made my day, my week, and my year!

 

[Rescued One]

I don't deny we need to believe —faith is indeed required, but salvific faith is unlike any other faith: It is NOT generated by the believer, but by the Spirit of God.

Thank you for expressing what I believe when I can't find the words! I'm blessed.

 

[Mark Quayle]

I don't. I was just attempting to answer your question when you asked if the Father draws everyone to Himself....
Since the Father hardens the hearts of those He chooses to harden,
I don't at all believe that the Father draws everyone to Himself.

Or, at least, he doesn't draw them all in the same way, or to the same degree, no?