The Veil

MercuryAndy said:

you forgot that muslems are allowed to lie to nonmuslems if it is the interest of islam.

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What do you know about Islam, Jocko if your hero is someone like fares then you must be misinformed go and learn the truth then come and discuss.

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Fares said:

The problem is in men, not in women.
So the solution would be repairing the men and not hiding the women.


Bottom line :
Woman + veil = Modest.
Woman + veil = Honour.
Woman + no veil = Not Modest = Invitation for rape.
Woman + no veil = No Honour = A harlot.

I am truely sad to see that the honour of a woman relays in a piece of cloth.
I find it frustrating that a materialistic thing gives you honor and respect.

I beleive the solution relays in fixing men and not masking the problem by veiling women.

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It is not understood that Western women are not so much regarded by most Muslims as individuals, but as "their women," the women who "belong" to hostile Infidels. They are booty, to be taken, just as the land of the Infidels someday will drop, it is believed, into Muslim hands -- by demographic conquest rather than military conquest. It has worked in many parts of Africa; and if Muslims fail to reproduce even faster than they do, there is always the expedient of killing the remaining Infidels.

All over France there are cases of rapes, by MUslim gangs, of French girls. In Australia, in 2000, Bankstown and Greenacre (in Sydney) had a succession of gang-rapes, in which the victims testified to the particularly gruesome details of being assaulted by a dozen or more men at a time, screaming at them for being "Aussies" or "Christians." It made a big splash in Sydney, when the cases came to trial in 2002. Alan Jones, an Australian commentator, noted: "Let's not mince words here -- these are racist attacks against ordinary Australian girls carried out by out of control Muslim Lebanese...." The girls themselves all testified to the fact that the attacks were full of observations about, not race, but religion -- and the confusion of Jones here is understandable. The Western world is still groping to understand something of which it had been so remarkably and indeed, in some ways so fortunately unaware; it is the attitudes engendered toward Infidels -- a Frenchman who is beaten to death for trying to retrieve his daughter's stolen bicycle, a mother and her year-old-child assaulted on an RER train near Louvres, the thousands of assaults which are a modern version of the rape and pillage that Muslim conquerors were permitted whenever they conquered Infidel lands. This is not mere crime, but ideologically-justified crime or rather, in Muslim eyes, attacks on Infidels scarcely qualify as crime.

Have we forgotten the mass rapes, at the hands of Muslims (Turks, Kurds, and in the Syrian Desert, Arabs) of the Armenian women, those helpless "giavours," in the first full-scale massacres in modern times, those of 1894-1895, and then the genocidal campaign that began in 1915 and went on for years? Have we all forgotten what happened to the Assyrian Christian women during the Assyrian massacres of 1933, when -- just a few months after the British left -- Muslim Iraqis had a high old time with their helpless Christian population? What about the rapes of the Christian women, kidnapped in Ramadi, Iraq last year -- never to be returned to their husbands, and now the permanent property of the Muslims who kidnapped them? Shall one recall what happened to the Christian Maronites in Damur, at the hands of the PLO? What about the Copts, in Egypt? Or, during the Algerian War the mass rape of Christian and Jewish women by the FLN (scarcely given enough attention in Alastair Horne's reticent "A Savage War of Peace" but given much more by such writers as Jacques Soustelle, the great ethnographer of Mexican culture, and a perceptive analyst of the Algerian situation and the real nature of Islam -- akin, in his way, to Andre Servier).

The figures on Muslim rape of Western women in Europe are astounding. In Denmark and Norway, between 65% and 70% of all rapes are committed by Muslims, who as yet still less than 5% of the population. One local judge in Norway actually exonerated one rapist by accepting his defense that the victim's dress was taken by him to mean that she was egging him on. Her dress was nothing special to Norwegians, but the judge found it to be unbearably provocative to this poor Muslim immigrant. A curious argument, is it not? Even if she had been dressed a la Gisele Bundchen doing a shoot for Victoria's Secret -- and she of course was not -- rape is not an acceptable response.

The argument now seems to be: Western mores are offensive. Western women are cheap and offensive. We Muslims are here, here to stay, and we have a right to take advantage of this situation. It is our view of the matter that should prevail. Western goods, like the land on which we now live, belong to Allah and to the best of men -- his Believers. Western women, too, essentially belong to us -- our future booty. Western laws may "apply" but not in any sense that really counts or that we reocgnize. We recognize Islamic law, the sharia, and according to that we are simply exhibiting the attiudes toward Infidels that are drummed into us, that are right and according to the laws of Allah. Why should we act differently? Oh, and if we happen to act, as some of the Islamic websites tell us we can act, in accordance with the local laws -- but only insofar as they do not contradict Islam -- that is only because of darura, the doctrine of necessity -- and that necessity, that darura, is of course only temporary.

In other words, when in Rome, if you are Muslim, do any damn thing you please and justify it by saying you didn't realize you were in Rome, or what the Romans did, and anyway, the Romans are Infidels so who cares what they do, or expect. A fascinating attitude. The sooner this is fully grasped by Infidels, the fewer victims, ultimately, there will be.

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Fares said:

Garnet, saying the truth is now been hostile ?
First a piece of cloth gives you honor and now saying the truth is hostile.
Where is this world going ? Sad.
Garnet, I see Islam behind the veil they call "Islam is peace". One day you will see it.


Why do you throw cheap talk ? Prouve this wrong.

Do you know how muslims call the non-muslim lands ?
Dar Al-Harb. The House of War.
So muslims are actually constantly in war, against who ?
Infidels - All non-muslims.
Now according to Yago



So muslims have the right to lie to us because we are their ennemies.

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Fares said:

Doesn't Mohammed do that 5 times a day ?
La Elaha ela al lah wa mohammed rassol al lah.
No god but God and Mohammed is his prophet.

Of course I am repeating, muslims run away when I trape them, ignore me or call me a hater.

Islam is growing not by converts but by birth rate.


Why bother do that ? The Quran has allready done an outstanding job in this field.


You know, you have just made me lose 2-3 minutes of my life on your post wich contains no arguments. This aint even a refutation, man you are worthless to this forum and its pointless to even try to debate with you. I bring facts and analysis, you bring street cheap talk and conspiracy theories.

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