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Marilyn C

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These 2 men, Christ`s Witnesses, are represented by olive trees and lampstands. (Zech. 4: 6) They are Moses and Elijah. They witnessed Christ`s transfiguration where He told them of His soon departure from the earth. They were also at the tomb and witnessed Christ`s resurrection, and later ascension into glory. (Luke 9: 30. 24: 4, Acts 1: 10)
 
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What is the purpose of the video? Is someone claiming that the two persons in the video are the literal two witnesses, and are now prophesying for 1260 days ?
 
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A beast means kingdom Daniel 7:23 in this case France. Yes, they took their Bibles and threw them on the streets to denounce Christ (the beast killed the two witnesses) But if you keep reading in Revelation the witnesses are resurrected. A French philosopher predicted in 1776 that a hundred years from now no one would know the Bible, the same printing press he used to print his literature was turned into a printing press for the Bible. The Bible remains the best selling book of all time.
 
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They look to be from Brazil? They are asking for $ on both their youtube sites. Looks like they know Spanish but repeat the same Hebrew phrases over and over. I have not seen any miracles or anything listed as identifying them as the 2 witnesses..."And if anyone wants to harm them, fire flows out of their mouth and devours their enemies; and so if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this way."

 
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Our Lord was crucified in Jerusalem. It spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt because it's spiritually bankrupt. Atheism started, at the latest, in ancient Greece, and probably well before that.
The fact that it's spiritually called Sodom and Egypt is a major clue that the great city is spiritual in nature and not earthly. I see it as the spiritual opposite of the new heavenly Jerusalem, which is also not an earthly city. Also, Jesus was not crucified in Jerusalem, so you need to take that into consideration.

Hebrews 13:12 And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood.

John 19:20 Many of the Jews read this sign, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and the sign was written in Aramaic, Latin and Greek.
 
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In what sense would Moses and Elijah be figuratively represented as lampstands? Keep in mind that elsewhere in the book lampstands figuratively represent churches (Rev 1:20).
 
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In what sense would Moses and Elijah be figuratively represented as lampstands? Keep in mind that elsewhere in the book lampstands figuratively represent churches (Rev 1:20).

Symbols are used for different purposes.

In Rev. 1: 20 we are told that the (7) lampstands represent the (7) churches.

In Zech. we are told that the two lampstands represent the `two anointed ones who stand beside the Lord of the whole earth.` (Zech. 4: 14)

God interprets His own word.
 
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Symbols are used for different purposes.

In Rev. 1: 20 we are told that the (7) lampstands represent the (7) churches.
Yes, that verse is contained within the very same book. Was John trying to confuse people by having lampstands in one verse symbolically represent something entirely different than another verse?

In Zech. we are told that the two lampstands represent the `two anointed ones who stand beside the Lord of the whole earth.` (Zech. 4: 14)

God interprets His own word.
And how did you come to the decision to use an Old Testament verse like Zechariah 4:14 as the basis of your understanding of the two witnesses instead of a verse within the same book like Revelation 1:20? It talks about them as two olive trees as well, which reminds me of Romans 11:16-24 where it speaks of two olive trees, one being cultivated (natural branches are Israelite believers) and one being wild (Gentile believers). What makes you decide that Zechariah 4:14 should be related to the two witnesses instead of verses like Revelation 1:20 and Romans 11:17-24?

Also, how are you coming to the conclusion that Zechariah 4:14 is speaking of two individuals? It references two anointed ones. Revelation 11 references two witnesses. Yes, that can give the impression of speaking of two individuals, but we're clearly talking about symbolic text here, not literal text. If you really want to take it literally and relate it to Zechariah 4:14, then you should conclude that the two witnesses are Joshua and Zerubbabel.
 
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Oh yeah, you're the person who thinks that quoting verses without any commentary is enough. It's not. Explain the reason why you posted these passages. I can't read your mind to know what you think these passages are saying in relation to what I said in my post.
 
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To be a `Witness` you need to have seen & / or heard something. Moses and Elijah were the two men on mount transfiguration that heard the Lord talk of His soon coming departure. (crucifixion). (Luke 9: 30 & 31) later on we see those two men at the tomb, (Luke 24: 4) and then at the Lord`s ascension. (Acts 1: 10).

Thus Moses and Elijah will be able to witness of the Lord`s death, resurrection and ascension.
 
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So are you telling me that the Holy Spirit DID NOT write all God`s word?
 
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Where does the Revelation say they'd be asking for money?
Isn't that man dressed like a rabbi? ... ... ... Matthew 23:8-10.

I never said it did. That was my point...they ARE asking for money. What man dressed like a Rabbi?
 
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The Holy Spirit is responsible for bringing the word of God to all prophets.

All God`s word is by the Holy Spirit through men. thus Luke spoke as the Holy spirit revealed to him. You were trying to dismiss what Luke wrote (by the Holy Spirit).
 
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What is the purpose of the video? Is someone claiming that the two persons in the video are the literal two witnesses, and are now prophesying for 1260 days ?
They've been prophesying in Jerusalem since February 28, and it hasn't hasn't there since March 25...
 
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So are you saying that the Holy Spirit would let Luke write what is wrong?
 
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Where does the Revelation say they'd be asking for money?
Isn't that man dressed like a rabbi? ... ... ... Matthew 23:8-10.

I never said it did. That was my point...they ARE asking for money. What man dressed like a Rabbi?

The man in the upper left hand corner of that video. It's the same man yelling in the video.

And who was shooting the video? And added the soundtrack?
 
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i used to think the two witnesses would be two literal people- an Enoch/Moses, Enoch/Elijah, or Moses/Elijah pair- but after examining the scriptures more and further reading the description of these two, im not convinced it's two literal people.

the two witnesses are described as two lampstands and two olive trees
in Revelation, a lampstand is symbolic for a church. interesting how out of the seven churches, two of them were not rebuked, or called to repent, so one possible interpretation could be these witnesses are the church of Smyrna and the church of Philadelphia.
if one takes the preterist approach, one could take that literally, and if one is a futurist, one could take that figuratively, meaning the 7 churches described are 7 different types of Christians today

however, we have the description of "olive tree". Both Jeremiah 11:16 and Romans 11:17 describe the Jews and Christians as olive branches. one possible interpretation is that the two witnesses are two groups of believers, one group being gentile, and the other being Jewish descent

a combination of these two would be Smyrnan and Philadelpian Christians, both consisting of Jews and Gentiles, are the two witnesses.

and it cant be the Old Testament and New Testament. scripture says
"they will prophesy"
"they stand before the Lord"
"If anyone tries to harm them"
"Their bodies will lie in the public square"
"the breath of life from God entered them"

only human beings are given the breath of life, so it is scripturally wrong to claim these two witness are anything but humans.
 
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