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The Truth is consistent and does not change.

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Truth is true because truth is consistent and unchangeable.

So Jesus said

With what can we compare the kingdom of God, or what parable will we use for it? It is like a mustard seed, which, when sown upon the ground, is the smallest of all the seeds on earth;

Is it truth (we know there are many smaller seeds) or did Jesus lie ?
 
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If it helps you to sleep at night I can guarantee nobody else thinks so.
Of course 1 cor 7 "27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 He chose the lowly and despised things of the world, and the things that are not,to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast in His presence"

Even Paul had a thorn in his flesh because of the abundance of revelation he was given so that he would not be conceited.
 
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I said you spot a liar by their inconsistency. Everytime you talk to them they tell you a different story. The truth is always consistent and never changes. Every time they tell you the same story. They say a liar can not remember what lie they told so they will try to make up a different lie and their story is inconsistent.

The also have lie detector tests that pick up the inner turmoil and conflict. I think a lot of depression, anxiety and other psychological issues is due to inner conflict and people doing what they know to be wrong. Even cancer and a lot of diseases can be due to what they use to call bad humor or a person out of sorts or out of agreement with themselves.

I guess I can understand your point in how being stubborn can play a part in the process. They know what is right but because they are stubborn they persist in not doing what is good, right, proper and true. Even there are Christians that thing they are forgiven and they can get away with sin. Yet Paul says you will reap what you sow and we do suffer the consequences for our actions.

I can’t even begin to describe how deeply unscientific that is.
 
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I said you spot a liar by their inconsistency. Everytime you talk to them they tell you a different story.
Only if they are a terrible liar.


The truth is always consistent and never changes. Every time they tell you the same story. They say a liar can not remember what lie they told so they will try to make up a different lie and their story is inconsistent.
What about when two people are very consistent with their stories, but their stories conflict, so they can't both be right? Heck, one person could be mistaken about certain details, but no less convinced of their accuracy than the more accurate person.

The also have lie detector tests that pick up the inner turmoil and conflict.
The lie detector test is, in and of itself, a lie. It doesn't actually work consistently. Basically put, a liar that keeps calm will fool the test into thinking they are being honest, and a truthful person that is stressed out (as just about anyone accused of a crime would be) will often cause the machine to register their truthful responses as lies.


Even cancer and a lot of diseases can be due to what they use to call bad humor or a person out of sorts or out of agreement with themselves.
-_- no. This is simply incorrect. Stress can cause and worsen many health conditions, but it isn't a cause of cancer. Lying in and of itself definitely doesn't cause any diseases.
 
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So when a Muslim tells me the Quran is absolute truth, I should believe them too?

Multiple choice question. You have A and B now. Not enough. Try to make 4 of them and start to choose.

Otherwise, you have no truth.

Noticed that at the present, you only have the content of choice A. But have no content of choice B. Needless to say other choices you are not sure about. Your question is not completed yet. As a consequence, you can not make a choice, and can not have an answer, which is the possible truth.
 
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Christian claim that the miracles prove that they are abiding in the truth. I know a pastor who would invite people to his church and say if you do not see miracles and healing then don't come back. He believed the evidence of the truth in his preaching was the miracles and healings people received when he prayed for them after he preached the message.

That preacher can claim to believe whatever he likes.
 
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So Jesus said

With what can we compare the kingdom of God, or what parable will we use for it? It is like a mustard seed, which, when sown upon the ground, is the smallest of all the seeds on earth;

Is it truth (we know there are many smaller seeds) or did Jesus lie ?
Jesus is talking about seeds that are sown upon the ground. There maybe smaller seeds but they are not sown the way mustard seeds are.
 
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That preacher can claim to believe whatever he likes.
We were talking about ways that people can know the truth. Jesus teaches us that the truth sets us free from the bondage of sin. Those who know the truth are free and those who do not know the truth are in bondage.
 
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Only if they are a terrible liar.
If you use fake numbers on a tax return the computer will spit it out and you risk being investigated. Computers can be programed to know what is fake and what is real.
 
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We were talking about ways that people can know the truth. Jesus teaches us that the truth sets us free from the bondage of sin. Those who know the truth are free and those who do not know the truth are in bondage.

What truth? You keep talking about truth, but have yet to provide any objective verification, it is anything but opinion.
 
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If you use fake numbers on a tax return the computer will spit it out and you risk being investigated. Computers can be programed to know what is fake and what is real.

And this has what to do with people making up verbal claims, with no support?
 
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We all know when someone is telling the truth because the truth remains consistent and does not change.
I think you make a fundamental error in your reasoning. While your statement above is true in a sense, it doesn't automatically follow that everything that is consistent is true. One could also lie consistently if they are a very good liar. Most well written novels are consistent, does that then make them true? We may expect consistency in truth but it's a logical fallacy to say all that is consistent is true.

This can not be said for Darwin and a lot of what Science use to believe was true. Even our text books at the best universities are going through constant revision
Truth is a philosophical or religious concept not a scientific one. Science doesn't make truth claims. Science makes theories based on our best knowledge. Theories are not held beyond correction on the basis of new knowledge or information. It would indeed seem odd for textbooks not to be revised on the basis of new discoveries and knowledge. In this case the lack of change would could be taken as a rejection of truth.
 
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Straw man statement where is your common sense. The truth is we elect a president every four years that is the truth and the outcome varies.
Not a straw man. These kind of statements are known as temporally indexed truths. E.g. Today is 23rd October 2017. This statement is only true today and never again after that. So the date today is a constantly changing truth, as in there is new date every day. Alternately the statement "I was born in 1979" is eternally true and unchanging.
 
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Prove it.
Archeology has spend over 100 years digging through the ruins of Bible sites and everything they find is consistent with the history we read in the Bible. For example they found * a Scytho-Iranian arrowhead, of the type used by the Babylonian army of Nebuchadnezzar that destroyed the First Temple in 586 BCE. Very few such arrowheads have been found in Jerusalem. http://tmsifting.org/sifting/media/inn14-4-05.htmcc There are plenty of artifacts found on the temple mount to verify that the history we read in our Bible is accurate and true.

Another example is the Battle of Jericho. We read in the New York Times: "After years of doubt among archeologists, a new analysis of excavations has yielded a wide range of evidence supporting the biblical account about the fall of Jericho. It may well be true that, in the words of the old spiritual, ''Joshua fit the battle of Jericho, and the walls come tumbling down.'' Believers Score in Battle Over the Battle of Jericho

There is overwhelming scientific evidence to show that the Bible is 100% accurate and true. Esp a vast amount of artifacts found on archeology sites that we read about in our Bible. Even they find a layer of ash that gives testimony to the city of David being set on fire when Babylon attacked. Finds in Jerusalem shore up biblical account of Babylonian conquest
 
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