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This is not true. The term "soul sleep" is new but as shown in the scriptures and the very words of Jesus death as a sleep has been used in the scriptures for 1000's of years before the new covenant Church ever existed. It can also be shown in Judaism and the early Church after the Apostles in the 2nd Century AD (e.g Tatian's address to the Greeks and the records of Eusebius of Caesarea).

Please. If you can. Share with us some quotes.
 
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I’m Seeking a biblical understanding also

the problem with the OT verses stated is that with the fall on man heaven was closed
This is symbolized by the angel with a flaming sword and the veil over the holy of Holies in the temple

the story of the other Lazarus the poor one in Luke 16

but now that we have the death and resurrection of the savior only the body remains in the grace and the soul returns to God for judgement then with the second coming there will be the bama or general judgement

Heb 9:27
 
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I’m Seeking a biblical understanding also

the problem with the OT verses stated is that with the fall on man heaven was closed
This is symbolized by the angel with a flaming sword and the veil over the holy of Holies in the temple

the story of the other Lazarus the poor one in Luke 16

but now that we have the death and resurrection of the savior only the body remains in the grace and the soul returns to God for judgement then with the second coming there will be the bama or general judgement

Heb 9:27

Hi Hebrewselevensix, nice to meet you and welcome to CF :). My understanding of Luke 16 is that it is a parable not what literally happens after we die. Here is an interesting video if your interested.

 
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Heb 12:1
Rev 5:8

rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

these come to mind
Who is this man in the video
Is he an apostle or successor to an apostle, in other words what authority does he have from Christ?
 
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Yes, God's word says those who die in Jesus "sleep" >

"For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus." (1 Thessalonians 4:14)

When a person dies, often ones say the person is dead. So, a Christian can help to comfort people by saying a child of God who dies is "sleeping" . . . so we can know the person has left this life but is not totally gone. Paul's intention, here, is to encourage the Thessalonians that their dearly loved people in Jesus are not really dead . . . not totally gone after they die . . . but they "sleep" . . . meaning they really are still alive wherever God has them.

So, can some people walk in their sleep? yes

Can we be very active during our dreams while we sleep? yes

So, what we do while we "sleep in Jesus" will be . . . interesting . . . to discover, I would say.

And we have what happened with those souls who had been martyred for Christ and then were "under the altar" >

"When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, 'How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?' Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who would be killed as they were, was completed." (Revelation 6:9-11)

So, these people have died, but they are "under the altar" in Heaven . . . plus they are communicating with God.

You can do things in your sleep, and you can wake up for a while and do things, then go back to sleep.

In any case, just now I notice how these martyrs are given "white robes", even though they have not been judged, yet . . . or resurrected, yet.
 
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Judaism has long held that the manifestation of one's 'soul' requires that it be born into a flesh material body. That suggests if there's no flesh body, the soul does not manifest. They based this reasoning on the sole Genesis 2:7 Scripture where it says God breathed into the nostrils of Adam the breath of life, and Adam became a 'living soul'. Thus that's the real origins of their 'soul sleep' assumptions. But God's Word as written actually counters that idea, even though showing how others still believed in it in the days of Christ's Apostles.

Solomon pointing to what happens, literally, at flesh death:

Eccl 12:5-7
5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:


That reveals that we are made up of more than just material flesh. Below God shows we are 'also' flesh, meaning we are something else along with flesh, and He points to His Spirit.

Gen 6:3
3 And the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."

KJV

Ecclesiastes 12:7 above gives more detail about that other part. At flesh death our flesh goes back to the ground where it came from. And our "spirit" goes back to God Who gave it. So we are shown there we have TWO parts, and that they are two distinct and separate operations.

Judaism, to keep their old theory about the soul only manifesting in the flesh though, say that "spirit" there that goes back to God is just an animating force that goes back to God, the nature of anything that lives or has life. They assume that has nothing to do with an individual person. The problem with that if it were true, is it would mean when we die we then cease to exist, completely. If the flesh isn't our person, and that spirit that goes back to God isn't our person, then it would mean there is NO... more person at flesh death. This idea actually originates with the ancient pagan religions of the east. They believed that when one dies, their spirit or soul is simply dissolved back into the 'Great All', a label they put for God. They see God like a great ocean and each person as small drops of water. And at death, the small drop of water goes back into the great ocean, and is no more, loses its individual person. That is one of their principles backing denying of self, and wanting becoming 'one' with their so-called Great All.

What did Lord Jesus show about the difference between our flesh and our soul?

Matt 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

KJV

John 3:5-6
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

KJV

Lord Jesus showed that our 'soul' is not killed when our flesh is killed. No marvel, because that's also what Solomon showed in Ecclesiastes 12:7.

That means our 'soul' continues after flesh death, and it can ONLY be destroyed by our Heavenly Father, which is what Lord Jesus showed in that Matthew 10:28 verse. It proves the CONTINUED existence of our soul after flesh death. Since we already know per Eccl.12 that our 'spirit' continues to God, that means our 'soul' has to continue with it too. Thus our spirit-soul are connected, is what it's showing. And it shows our 'person' continues to God, and we as individuals are not lost, nor absorbed into some great ocean idea where there's no more remembrance of us.

In the John 3 Scripture Lord Jesus also showed we have two main parts to our makeup that God created us with, our flesh which is a separate operation from our spirit that's inside our flesh. He also shows there our "spirit" is born of "the Spirit" from God, showing that distinction even more.

Solomon showed this too, but many look over it...

6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
KJV

What's that "silver cord"? All those things, that "golden bowl", that "pitcher", or "wheel" all represent the death of the flesh and the separation between flesh and spirit. Solomon is showing us a mystery about this operation between our flesh and our spirit. That "silver cord", IF severed ("loosed") represents how our spirit is disconnected from our flesh. That again is showing the two different operations of flesh and spirit.


Apostle Paul understood that operation between our flesh body and our spirit (with soul).

2 Cor 5:1-4
5 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

KJV

Apostle Paul was very specific above. Even while we are in this flesh body, we still have another body, not one of flesh but one that is "eternal in the heavens". What kind of body would be eternal in the heavens? A spirit body. Paul probably assumed those Corinthians already knew he was pointing to the "spiritual body" idea he taught back in 1 Corinthians 15. Nevertheless, it is unmistakable that he is pointing to our makeup of a flesh body and also a spirit body, in the PRESENT TENSE, and that one is of flesh but the other is of spirit, and we already have both, but the spirit one is burdened by being subjected to our flesh body.


Paul even goes so far as to associate the idea of our spirit that's inside... our flesh, is groaning and is burdened by our flesh, because it's wanting mortality to be swallowed up of life. He means the release of our spirit-soul from our flesh unto eternal Life in Christ Jesus. That is when we overcome even the "second death".

This means at flesh death, our spiritual body is then revealed in the heavenly dimension, for there are only two different dimensions of existence written of in God's Word. Did Lord Jesus reveal this anywhere else? Yes... through Peter...


1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19 By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
KJV

During Christ's resurrection, He went into Hades where the heavenly prison house is and preached The Gospel Good News to the spirits of men there who had once lived in the flesh and then died. That Jesus would do that was prophesied in Isaiah 42:7, and their release out of that prison house.


1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

KJV

That above Scripture shows there's no way around these facts that Jesus preached The Gospel to men that had died in the flesh, and then they were judged there whether to remain or be led out of the prison house based on their belief in The Gospel, and thus in the heavenly "live according to God in the spirit". Did that say 'sleep in a hole in the ground according to God in the spirit'? NO!


Lord Jesus tried to explain this to the blind scribes and Pharisees also when they tried to trap Him with their carnal minds...

Luke 20:36-38
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.

38 For He is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto Him.
KJV

Our Lord Jesus is showing them how God could not be called, "the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob", if they no longer existed. Lord Jesus is showing that they were already raised to the heavenly and were alive in the heavenly. That 38th verse also confirms that meaning. It also confirms the 1 Peter 4:6 verse of those that have died living according to God in the spirit.


So anyone can quote all kinds of Scripture examples of what people in The Old Testament and New Testament believed in their days about the tradition of soul sleep. But those who side with them have to discard the Scripture proofs shown above.
 
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This guy did both

Acts 20:9

And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.
 
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Genesis 3:19
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Luke 9:60
Jesus said unto him, Let the dead burytheir dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

Only the body dO you bury
 
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Is there anyone else? Tatian apostatized and became a Gnostic. Even that passage contains elements that sound borderline Gnostic to me.
Hello Chet, I do not have any faith in the so called "Church fathers" and neither do I follow them over the Word of God (the bible). I only posted that reference to show that not only was the view of death as a sleep (not soul sleep) held through out the old testament and Jesus and the Apostles through the scriptures but also not long after all through time to this present day. I do not know many of the "so called fathers" that did not apostatize or have some strange beliefs to be honest. For example Origen becoming one of the fathers of the false teachings of Universalism. Our only safety therefore should be in believing and following the scriptures in my view.

May God bless you as you seek Him through his Word.
 
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Hi Davy thanks for sharing your view. As your post is a big one I might break this post down into smaller ones so they are easier to read. Some comments provided below for you interest...
Judaism has long held that the manifestation of one's 'soul' requires that it be born into a flesh material body. That suggests if there's no flesh body, the soul does not manifest. They based this reasoning on the sole Genesis 2:7 Scripture where it says God breathed into the nostrils of Adam the breath of life, and Adam became a 'living soul'. Thus that's the real origins of their 'soul sleep' assumptions.
Agreed. The Jews viewed death as a sleep as does the Old and new testament scriptures as shown in the many posts on page one of this OP.
But God's Word as written actually counters that idea, even though showing how others still believed in it in the days of Christ's Apostles.
According to the scriptures in both the old and new testament and in the very words of Jesus and the Apostles, God's Word agrees what happens when we die calling it a sleep like state. Please see the scriptures provided in the many posts on page one tracing what Jesus and the Apostles taught as well as both the old and new testament scriptures.

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If the dead are asleep then why were the Israelites forbidden to inquire of them?
Because they are dead until the resurrection at the second coming. Divination, Necromancy, those who have familiar spirits and witchcraft are all forbidden in the bible (Leviticus 19). They are demonic.
 
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Solomon pointing to what happens, literally, at flesh death: Eccl 12:5-7 5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets: That reveals that we are made up of more than just material flesh. Below God shows we are 'also' flesh, meaning we are something else along with flesh, and He points to His Spirit. Gen 6:3 3 And the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years." KJV Ecclesiastes 12:7 above gives more detail about that other part. At flesh death our flesh goes back to the ground where it came from. And our "spirit" goes back to God Who gave it. So we are shown there we have TWO parts, and that they are two distinct and separation operations.
I agree that Solomon understood what happens when we die but it is not according to your interpretation of Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 here. All this scripture says is that the body will die and the Spirit (רוּחַ (rûwach) breath H7307) returns to God who gave it (see also Genesis 2:7; soul here meaning a living breathing creature). So the Spirit or breath that God gave returns to God who gave it. That is the breath of life that caused us to live at creation. According to the scriptures without the breath of God we return to the dust until the resurrection of the dead at the second coming (1 Thessalonians 4:14-18). Genesis 3:19, In the sweat of your face shall you eat bread, till you return to the ground; for out of it were you taken: for dust you are, and to dust shall you return. Salomon also posted what happens at death earlier in Ecclesiastes 9 which also disagrees with your interpretation here in Ecclesiastes 12:5-7. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 says [5], For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. [6], Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

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Judaism, to keep their old theory about the soul though, say that "spirit" there that goes back to God is just an animating force that goes back to God, the nature of anything that lives or has life. They assume that has nothing to do with an individual person. The problem with that if it were true, it would mean when we die we then cease to exist, completely. If the flesh isn't our person, and that spirit that goes back to God isn't our person, then it would mean there is NO... more person at flesh death. This idea actually originates with the ancient pagan religions of the east. They believed that when one dies, their spirit or soul is simply dissolved back into the 'Great All', a label they put for God. They see God like a great ocean and each person as small drops of water. And at death, the small drop of water goes back into the great ocean, and is no more. That is one of their principles backing denying of self, and becoming 'one' with their so-called Great All.
Actually the old testament scriptures were written in original Hebrew language so the Jews here had a better understanding of what the scriptures here were talking about in regards to the state of the dead. Some of the many scriptures from the old testament already provided on the first page in many posts of the OP. So to say this is a theory in my view in light of the many scriptures posted showing that death is talked about as a sleep is to deny those scriptures already posted in favor of a tradition and false teaching that has become very much a part of mainstream Christianity today that as crept into the Church many years latter that is not biblical. As posted earlier we do cease to exist according to the scripture until the second coming and the resurrection of the just and the unjust *Ecclesiastes 9:5-6; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18. Of course it makes no sense scripture wise for us to go to heaven or hell at death (pagan teaching) and for us to be resurrected again from these places at the second coming now does it? Yes I do agree though that the Spirit (breath) returns back to God who gave it. This however is not us but the breath of life that comes from God that gives us life that existed before we were created according to the scriptures (Genesis 2:7)
What did Lord Jesus show about the difference between our flesh and our soul? Matt 10:28 28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. KJV John 3:5-6 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. KJV Lord Jesus showed that our 'soul' is not killed when our flesh is killed. No marvel, because that's also what Solomon showed in Ecclesiastes 12:7. That means our 'soul' continues after flesh death, and it can ONLY be destroyed by our Heavenly Father, which is what Lord Jesus showed in that Matthew 10:28 verse. It proves the CONTINUED existence of our soul after flesh death. Since we already know per Eccl.12 that our 'spirit' continues to God, that means our 'soul' has to continue with it too. Thus our spirit-soul are connected, is what it's showing. And it shows our 'person' continues to God, and we as individuals are not lost, nor absorbed into some great ocean idea where there's no more remembrance of us. In John 3 the Lord Jesus also showed we have two main parts to our makeup that God created us with, our flesh which is a separate operation from our spirit that's inside our flesh. He also shows there our "spirit" is born of "the Spirit" from God, showing that distinction even more.

The scriptures read like this but are not talking about what you are saying. A soul in the Greek and Hebrew simply means a living and breathing creature (alive) with dead being no breath. Let's look at the scripture and it's application. “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” Matthew 10:28.
In Luke....“And I say unto you My friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear Him, which after He hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear Him.” Luke 12:4, 5.

1. These texts are the record, by different writers, of the same language of the Savior. The first one is often quoted by those who teach the immortality of the soul and its conscious existence in death. In Matthew’s version of the Saviors words, the soul is indeed made very prominent; but in that of Luke, it is not mentioned. Yet the language of the one version is the same substance as that of the other.

2. Thus, while Matthew represents the Savior as saying, “Fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul,” Luke expresses the idea thus: “Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more they can do.” And Matthew adds, “Fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” Luke gives the same warning, thus: “Fear Him, which after He hath killed hath power to cast into hell.”

3. Thus it is seen that our Lord recognizes the fact plainly expressed elsewhere, that there are two deaths. The first death, which is the common lot of mankind, is thus spoken of by Paul: “It is appointed unto men once to die.” Hebrews 9:27. The second death is the portion only of the wicked. “He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.” Revelation 2:11; 20:6, 14; 21:8. The Savior bids us not to fear those who can inflict only the first of these deaths; but He warns us to fear Him who alone is able to kill with the second death both body and soul.

So all the scripture here is in harmony with the rest of the bible and the resurrection of the dead, and Gods' judgement at the second coming for the righteous and the wicked.

John 3:3-7 is talking about us needing to be born again of Gods' holy Spirit in order to enter into Gods' Kingdom. You may want to revisit this.

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Solomon showed this too, but many look over it... 6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. 7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. KJV What's that "silver cord"? All those things, that "golden bowl", that "pitcher", or "wheel" all represent the death of the flesh and the separation between flesh and spirit. Solomon is showing us a mystery about this operation between our flesh and our spirit. That "silver cord", IF severed ("loosed") represents how our spirit is disconnected from our flesh. That again is showing the two different operations of flesh and spirit.
I think the key thing you missed here in this scripture is verse 7 that agrees with Genesis 3:19 Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. As posted already the Spirit (breath of life) returns back to God when we die the first death (see previous sections where this is already discussed)
2 Cor 5:1-4 5 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. 4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. KJV Apostle Paul was very specific above. Even while we are in this flesh body, we still have another body, not one of flesh but one that is "eternal in the heavens". What kind of body would be eternal in the heavens? A spirit body. Paul probably assumed those Corinthians already knew he was pointing to the "spiritual body" idea he taught back in 1 Corinthians 15. Nevertheless, it is unmistakable that he is pointing to our makeup of a flesh body and also a spirit body, in the PRESENT TENSE, and that one is of flesh but the other is of spirit, and we already have both, but the spirit one is burdened by being subjected to our flesh body. Paul even goes so far as to associate the idea of our spirit that's inside... our flesh, is groaning and is burdened by our flesh, because it's wanting mortality to be swallowed up of life. He means the release of our spirit-soul from our flesh unto eternal Life in Christ Jesus. That is when we overcome even the "second death". This means at flesh death, our spiritual body is then revealed in the heavenly dimension, for there are only two different dimensions of existence written of in God's Word.
According to the scriptures, Gods people receive a new body which is a heavenly one at the second coming and the resurrection of the dead as flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven. Paul shows this a little further what he is discussing here in 1 Corinthians 15:50-57. The other body is given to us at the second coming and the resurrection of Gods' people at this time. I think it might help you if you look at the Hebrew and Greek meanings of Spirit and soul. Go look them up.

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Did Lord Jesus reveal this anywhere else? Yes... through Peter...1 Peter 3:18-20 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. KJV During Christ's resurrection, He went into hades where the heavenly prison houses is and preached The Gospel Good News to the spirits there who had died. That Jesus would do that was prophesied in Isaiah 42:7, and their release out of that prison house.
Perhaps it might be a good idea for you to look at the Hebrew and Greek word meaning of Hades, Hell etc as all it means here most passages of the bible is an unseen place in reference to the grave. This word is found in the English Testament twenty-three times. But in the Greek Testament there are three different words, hades, gehenna and tartarus, signifying different places, all rendered by the one English word, “hell.” Thus, hades is used eleven times in the original, and is rendered “hell” ten times and “grave” once.

The following are the places of its occurrence, the italicized word in each case being the translation of hades

Matthew 11:23. Shalt be brought down to hell.
16:18. The gates of hell shall not prevail.
Luke 10:15. Shalt be thrust down to hell.
16:23. In hell he lift up his eyes.
Acts 2:27. Wilt not leave my soul in hell.
2:31. His soul was not left in hell.
1 Corinthians 15:55. O grave, where is thy victory?
Revelation 1:18. Have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 6:8. Was death, and hell followed.
Revelation 20:13. Death and hell delivered up the dead.
Revelation 20:14. Death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.

Gehenna is found in the following places:

Matthew 5:22. Shall be in danger of hell fire.
Matthew 5:29. Whole body should be cast into hell.
Matthew 5:30. Whole body should be cast into hell.
Matthew 10:28. Destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matthew18:9. Having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
Matthew 23:15. More the child of hell than yourselves.
Matthew 23:33. How can ye escape the damnation of hell.
Mark 9:43. Having two hands to go into hell JNA JNATFC THOUGHTS ON Matthew 10:28 AND Luke 12:4, 5, 6, 21
Mark 9:45. Having two feet to be cast into hell.
Mark 9:47. Having two eyes to be cast into hell.
Luke 12:5. Hath power to cast into hell
James 3:6. It is set on fire of hell.

Tartarus is used only in the following text: “God spared no the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell.” 2 Peter 2:4.

Thus hades is seen to be the place of the dead, whether righteous or wicked; the place into which they are introduced by death, and from which they are delivered by the resurrection. Those who are in hades are said to be dead. Revelation 20:13. Once, in the English Testament, hades is rendered “grave.” 1 Corinthians 15:55. Gehenna, on the contrary, is the place where the wicked are to be cast alive with all their members, and to be destroyed soul and body. It is the lake of fire in which the wicked dead are to be punished after their resurrection. Revelation 20:13-15. Tartarus is the place into which the evil angels were cast after their rebellion. These three places, therefore, though rendered by the one English word “hell,” are not to be confounded with one another.

It is claimed that the Saviour, in giving the warning recorded in Matthew 10:28 and Luke 12:4, 5, taught the continued existence of the soul in death. But it is worthy of notice that in each of these texts He utters no warning concerning the punishment of the soul in hades, the place or state of the dead. His warning relates to that which shall be inflicted upon “soul and body” together in gehenna.

That He should speak nothing of the punishment of the soul in its disembodied state in hades, if such punishment really takes place, is very remarkable; for here, more than anywhere else in the Bible, is there evidence of the continued existence of the soul while the body is under the power of death. Yet while expressly stating the terrible fate of the lost, and that, too, in such connection as would especially call out the fact, if it were a fact, that the souls of the wicked exist in a place of dreadful suffering, between death and the resurrection, the Savior says not one word concerning the sufferings of the soul in its disembodied state, but confines His warning to that which shall be inflicted upon “both soul and body in hell,” that is, in gehenna, thus showing that the retribution against which He warns us comes after the resurrection, and not before.

Our Lord means to point out precisely the danger to which the ungodly are exposed. When, therefore, He says “Fear Him, which after He hath killed hath power to cast into gehenna,” He means to teach that God will cast the wicked into gehenna. And when Matthew, expressing the same warning in different words, makes the Saviour say, “Fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in gehenna,” the fact set forth is that such will be the fate of the lost.

“Fear Him, which after He hath killed hath power to cast into gehenna.” As the wicked are to be cast into gehenna alive, and in possession of all their bodily members (see the list of passages in this tract where gehenna is used), it follows that He who can thus cast them there, after they have once been killed, is God alone; for to do this, He must raise them from the dead. The resurrection to damnation must precede the damnation of gehenna. Compare John 5:28, 29 with Matthew 23:33. (source here)

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