The Truth About Abortion

[Brightmoon]

Yes, we know you support the notion that killing a morally valuable human being is permissible.

fetuses aren’t viable without the mothers body so whatever she decides is fine with me. I’ve been pregnant twice and I’m now looking forward to a great granddaughter . I wouldn’t force another woman to undergo a pregnancy if she doesn’t want to. You want to treat a woman as if her life ,safety and health don’t matter and that’s misogyny, exploitation and abuse, not morals

 

[SkyWriting]

I wonder how many would honestly answer "yes" if I ask them if that were their fetus, should it qualify to be aborted, regardless the stage? This is so much more simple than people make it out to be.

No woman ever makes a simple choice regarding abortion.

 

[SkyWriting]

Yes, we know you support the notion that killing a morally valuable human being is permissible.

Raising kids involves decades of additional moral choices.
If somebody threatens your kids, you have moral choices to make.
If your kids are in danger, you have moral decisions.
If you want to work, you have moral decisions.
If you leave the kids unattended at any time for decades, it's a moral choice
that could end with them dead.
If you let them drive a car, or walk in the neighborhood at night, it is their life you are putting on the line.

 

[SPF]

fetuses aren’t viable without the mothers body so whatever she decides is fine with me.

And as a self-proclaiming Christian, statements like that are just really discouraging and sad to hear.

We know scientifically that a new human being comes into existence at fertilization. We know Biblically that all human beings possess inherent moral worth and value and are created in the Image of God.

The fact that you are comfortable discriminating against another human being based upon their level of development, level of dependency, and place of residence is honestly sad.

A human being's developmental period lasts about 25 years. Yet at no point during their development are they not a human being, devoid of moral worth and value. The fact that you have no problem shrugging your shoulders at the choice to kill one of these innocent human beings simply because their level of dependency is at their pinnacle is... tragic.

 

[Brightmoon]

And as a self-proclaiming Christian, statements like that are just really discouraging and sad to hear.

We know scientifically that a new human being comes into existence at fertilization. We know Biblically that all human beings possess inherent moral worth and value and are created in the Image of God.

The fact that you are comfortable discriminating against another human being based upon their level of development, level of dependency, and place of residence is honestly sad.

A human being's developmental period lasts about 25 years. Yet at no point during their development are they not a human being, devoid of moral worth and value. The fact that you have no problem shrugging your shoulders at the choice to kill one of these innocent human beings simply because their level of dependency is at their pinnacle is... tragic.

I’ve got a biology degree and your statement is inaccurate. Fetuses aren’t even viable outside the mothers body until about the 6th fetal month. The sperm and eggs come from a human so of course they’re human.It’s not like you think they’re felines. Abortions at the fetal viability stage are done only if the mothers life is in danger or if the fetus is non viable. Before viability I'm saying that to continue the pregnancy is and should be only the mothers choice , not yours and certainly not some ignorant politicians

 

[SkyWriting]

Abortion kills humans.
That is a fact.
That is a scientifically verifiable fact."

But it's not murder. Birth control measures do the same thing.
They keep a fertilized egg from implanting causing it to perish.

 

[GaveMeJoy]

You believe that God has the power to know you before the womb, but has no say in who is delivered and who isnt?

The Bible says God has the power to know you before the womb*

 

[RaymondG]

How would you define the premeditated (in over 97% of all cases of abortion) termination (killing) of innocent human beings?

I call it abortions.....I dont mind using the common term which is used and understood by all to be the termination of a pregnancy. I dont need to use the words like murder or killing, which is usually used to describe other events.

We created a word for this specific act....Why do we need to use anything else?

If the title was "The truth about killing humans" or "The truth about murder" or "the truth about killing babies" One would not know for sure that we were talking about terminating pregnancies.

It is only because the word Abortion was used, that we know what the discussion is about........so why change the term inside the discussion?

 

[SPF]

I’ve got a biology degree and your statement is inaccurate. Fetuses aren’t even viable outside the mothers body until about the 6th fetal month. The sperm and eggs come from a human so of course they’re human.It’s not like you think they’re felines. Abortions at the fetal viability stage are done only if the mothers life is in danger or if the fetus is non viable. Before viability I'm saying that to continue the pregnancy is and should be only the mothers choice , not yours and certainly not some ignorant politicians

Yes, I've heard you mention your undergrad in biology before. I've also not yet seen you ever provide references to the claims you make other than your bachelors degree.

Interestingly, you cite your undergrad as your credibility, but then you go on to make an entirely philosophical point. You're attempting to say that only viable human beings possess moral worth and value and are worth saving, but if they are wholly dependent upon their mother for survival that they are somehow less morally valuable.

It's simple, either you believe the Bible that all human beings possess inherent moral worth and value, or you don't believe in the authority of Scripture.

You're discriminating against humans and assigning moral value based upon their level of development - that's sad. It's also completely arbitrary and done for no other reason than to justify the immoral act of killing our Lord's most defenseless creations.

Why you're OK with that is honestly beyond me.

Finally, this statement of yours:

Abortions at the fetal viability stage are done only if the mothers life is in danger or if the fetus is non viable.

is entirely false. You need to do some study before making claims. For example, the following states have no laws in place to prohibit abortions at any stage of development: AK, CO, DC, NH, NJ, NM, OR, VT. Also, did you know that partial-birth abortions are only illegal in 21 states?

The simple truth though is that as Christians, we should base our moral beliefs upon the unshakable foundation of Scripture. And Scripture is clear that human beings are unique creations of God and that all human beings are created in His Image and possess inherent moral worth and value.

When you couple that undisputed, universally acceptable Biblical truth with the scientific understanding that a new human being comes into existence at fertilization, we should easily recognize that the 98.5% of all abortions which are performed for convenience reasons are immoral.

The fact that you discriminate against a human because of their level of development, level of dependency, and place of residence is inexcusable and indefensible.

 

[redleghunter]

We created a word for this specific act....Why do we need to use anything else?

Define abortion.

 

[redleghunter]

Biblical?

29 Now at midnight the LORD struck down every firstborn male in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on his throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner in the dungeon, as well as all the firstborn among the livestock. 30 During the night Pharaoh got up—he and all his officials and all the Egyptians—and there was loud wailing in Egypt; for there was no house without someone dead.

Exodus 15:19
For when Pharaoh's horses, chariots, and horsemen went into the sea, the LORD brought the waters of the sea back over them.

Numbers 11:1
And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp.

Numbers 16:49
But those who died from the plague numbered 14,700, in addition to those who had died on account of Korah.

Once again...That God exercised His will and purpose in judgment give us the license to do the same? Gets back to that pedestrian argument. Just because vehicular accidents involving pedestrians occur does not give us license to take our cars and deliberately plow down and kill pedestrians on a side walk.

 

[redleghunter]

Now a reductio ad absurdum is being attempted. Rational humans do not make social policy and jurisprudence based on the the extremes.

You are going to find quite of few of those around here unfortunately. Why they have the ignore function I presume.

 

[Kenny'sID]

No woman ever makes a simple choice regarding abortion.

I'm not sure that's a fact, I mean "ever" covers a lot of ground, but either way, I'm very glad they take it seriously, however, the intention of my post remains, some of the basics here are very simple...

 

[MournfulWatcher]

I’ve got a biology degree and your statement is inaccurate. Fetuses aren’t even viable outside the mothers body until about the 6th fetal month. The sperm and eggs come from a human so of course they’re human.It’s not like you think they’re felines. Abortions at the fetal viability stage are done only if the mothers life is in danger or if the fetus is non viable. Before viability I'm saying that to continue the pregnancy is and should be only the mothers choice , not yours and certainly not some ignorant politicians

Do parents have an obligation to not kill their offspring?

 

[RaymondG]

Yes, i notice the damage control there. I mean since you were getting on to others, that was an ideal time to make it appear you respected others opinion. Thing is, I didn't notice you did.



Because you sound very much like you support abortion, your actions speak louder than your claim. One hardy has to read between the lines to see that.



I was very clear with my comments.

My words were not for you so I can understand the misunderstandings. I do not understand why you would leave part of my post out just because you felt it wasnt genuine, and use that as a reason to state the opposite of my words as the truth.

I also stated that i did not support abortion, yet you address me as one who does.

Yes, your comments are quite clear, and I find no fault in your actions no matter what the motive are. However I no longer feel that there will be any value in seeing anymore of your words.

By all mean, continue to comment on my post and speak what you feel.....Just know that I am not "ignoring" you when I dont respond.....I just do not see them.

Thanks for the conversation.

 

[RaymondG]

Except abortion is precisely the killing of unborn human beings. 98.5% of all abortions are performed for non-medical emergency situations. In other words, 98.5% of abortions are performed for convenience sake.

1. God created all human beings in His Image and possess inherent moral worth and value.
2. A new human being comes into existence at fertilization.

The conclusion should be readily apparent.

Yes we can believe that they are both the same.....However killing human beings can be related to the murder of grown women and men.

Why is it unacceptable to use words that bring only the termination of pregnancies to the forefront? There is a word created for this action...why is it wrong to use this word as opposed to general terms that apply to more than just the unborn?

 

[redleghunter]

Except it doesn't say that anywhere. It says to ignore church leaders
and submit to local government.

No the Scriptures do not say that at all. Paul says to submit as in to the law which is executed morally. We are to resist all evil and wickedness as Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego did in not bending the knee to state sanctioned idolatry.

 

[redleghunter]

And again according to the bible its not, read your old testament the closest they got to the abortion issue was if you cause a woman to miscary you had to pay a fine..if killed a human you were put to death...so in gods eyes its not...you disagree with me but the bible does not consider an unborn child a human being. So Christianitys stance on abortion has nothing to do with the bible thats all I am saying.

And yet in the Hebrew text "miscarry" does not appear. I already stated this in a longer post I provided earlier.

 

[RaymondG]

Define abortion.

THis is the last time I will go to google for you. If you did not wish to reason together with mutual respect, you should not have responded to my post.

"Abortion is the ending of a pregnancy by removal or expulsion of an embryo or fetus before it can survive outside the uterus.[note 1] An abortion that occurs without intervention is known as a miscarriage or spontaneous abortion. When deliberate steps are taken to end a pregnancy, it is called an induced abortion, or less frequently "induced miscarriage". The unmodified word abortion generally refers to an induced abortion.[1][2] A similar procedure after the fetus has potential to survive outside the womb is known as a "late termination of pregnancy" or less accurately as a "late term abortion".[3]"

 

[redleghunter]

You know I was mad when i made this point...mainly cause I have heard christians rant about abortion....my mom had one..she didnt want to but she had cancer and the chemo aside she could have carried to term..the child would died and she might have died and she still had several children under the age of 5. And when I hear a preacher going on about how its against gods law and how anyone who has an abortion will burn in hell. I lost my mom 2 years ago she finally lost her battle with cancer. My intention was to rant.

I am sorry to hear this. I am assuming this was years ago as advances in treatments now show a higher survival rate of the human fetus through chemotherapy:

Chemo and pregnancy:

Chemo During Pregnancy Appears Safe for Mother and Child

Hope for Two...The Pregnant with Cancer Network - Hope for Two

Chemotherapy against cancer during pregnancy: A systematic review on neonatal outcomes