The Truth About Abortion

[Robert6671]

For the world , that is always true. (or at least usually thought true.).

It is still sinful, and opposed to Jesus, opposed to God's Word, and wrong according to God and His Word.

NO IT IS NOT SCRIPTURE!! The closest the bible gets to abortions is if you cause a woman to miscarry you have pay her a fine...if it was muder..the person would be put to death that scripture law...the bible does not consider the unborn child a human being..sorry

 

[Robert6671]

I agree with what you said but not everyone has the same morals or is a Christian.

Well my believe are just that mine. Abortion is not a scripture issue the bible does not consider a unborn child a human. The who Christian argument is a moral belief not a scripture belief and I do not believe anyone should have the right to force there moral or religious beliefs onto another.

 

[friend of]

John the Baptist leap for joy in his mother's womb when Jesus was present in the womb of Mary.

 

[coffee4u]

Now I am going to tell other Christians here a simple fact, god does not acknowlege an unborn child as a human being in the bible. Gods says it, if you cause a woman to lose her child you have to pay her a fine for the loss, if you kill a human being god says you are to be put to death. So Christians I am sorry according to the bible its not murder.

I will let you know a simple fact, God does acknowledge the unborn and he acknowledges them before they have developed enough to even look like a human being, from fertilization God acknowledges them.

Psalm 139:13-16
13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. 14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. 15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. 16 Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.

Jeremiah 1:5
5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

Gods says it, if you cause a woman to lose her child you have to pay her a fine for the loss, if you kill a human being god says you are to be put to death. So Christians I am sorry according to the bible its not murder.

Chapter and verse, please. Because God does consider it murder.

 

[GaveMeJoy]

I will deal with facts here, look at a fetus at 12 weeks you can google it, tell me thats not a human being..if you can say thats not a human being there your either dillusional or a professional liar. Many of the practices in the abortion industry are an abomination.

Now I am going to tell other Christians here a simple fact, god does not acknowlege an unborn child as a human being in the bible. Gods says it, if you cause a woman to lose her child you have to pay her a fine for the loss, if you kill a human being god says you are to be put to death. So Christians I am sorry according to the bible its not murder.

Now my stance, a fetus is a human being and and abortion is murder in my personal oppinon.
It should stay legal in only two cases, one if a woman is a victim of rape and even then it to be in the first 2 or 3 months, take into account shock but if you wait 6 months then decide you want an abortion..thats sick because at 6 months the child can survive with medical assistancce.

Secondly for medical reason such as the mother not being able to carry to term...case in point a woman in ireland was miscarrying and they would not remove the baby cause the heart was beating, the child was dead short of jesus christ coming down from the heavens that baby was going to die. But they waited for heart to stop..she got an inffection because of it and died.

Abortion should not be a form of brith control. If you do not want kids uses condoms and the pill or better yet keep your legs closed and pants zipped.

Christians your stance on abortion is not a religious issue...its moral personal one so get over the god says it abortion bit cause he done not consider and unborn child a human being according to the bible..sorry

I must have a weird bible then because mine says this:


◄ Jeremiah 1:5 ►

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart

 

[Mayflower1]

Well my believe are just that mine. Abortion is not a scripture issue the bible does not consider a unborn child a human. The who Christian argument is a moral belief not a scripture belief and I do not believe anyone should have the right to force there moral or religious beliefs onto another.

Abortion didn't exist in those days. It probably wasn't even a thought in anyone's mind...if someone has an abortion we are not to judge though. I am sorry that pastor said she was going to Hell...God is very merciful and knows every situation. But the Bible talks with tender loving care towards the unborn. Many things can cause miscarriage...accidental death is not murder. If Exodus 21.is what you are referring too, it also talks about accidental death versus murder as well. With a pregnant woman, two lives are involved, which is probably why there is a harsher punishment if both a miscarriage and the woman is seriously injured.

"But if he did not lie in wait for him, but God let him fall into his hand, then I will appoint you a place to which he may flee. If, however, a man acts presumptuously toward his neighbor, so as to kill him craftily, you are to take him even from My altar, that he may die. “If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise. “If an ox gores a man or a woman to death, the ox shall surely be stoned and its flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall go unpunished."
Exodus 21:13‭-‬14‭, ‬22‭-‬25‭, ‬28 NASB

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Well my believe are just that mine.

'nuf said about that then....

 

[SkyWriting]

"That's correct" -
it doesn't matter what they think about the existence of life, or the quality of life,
it is rebellion and sin when they oppose all Scripture, oppose Jesus, and do not heal people.

Quality of life for the disabled pregnant sexual assault victims.
And the resulting birth children.

 

[SkyWriting]

Abortion didn't exist in those days.

I'm sure it did.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Quality of life for the disabled pregnant sexual assault victims.
And the resulting birth children.

No amount of your reasons can change Scripture that is continually being disobeyed and denied in your posts for years now, as noted frequently in replies to the content of your posts for years.

 

[Jermayn]

The gestation process kills humans then. Or we can say God does. About 50% or less of fertilized eggs will implant in the uterus wall. The rest of those humans die before birth. It's a scientific fact. And there is infant mortality. Also a scientific fact. And crib death. Mom? Dad? God? Who do we blame?

Blame yourself for sin entering into the world.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Blame yourself for sin entering into the world.

God gives a remedy that one denies - God provided a remedy via Jesus' Sacrifice - "repentance", i.e. includes cease from sin. cease from rebellion, turn to God , to His Kingdom, to His Rulership.

 

[Josheb]

And again according to the bible its not, read your old testament the closest they got to the abortion issue was if you cause a woman to miscarry you had to pay a fine..if killed a human you were put to death...so in gods eyes its not...you disagree with me but the bible does not consider an unborn child a human being. So Christianitys stance on abortion has nothing to do with the bible thats all I am saying.

What is "it," Robert?

You said "...according to the Bible it's not, read the OT..." What is "it"? Is "it" "abortion?

"...according to the Bible abortion is not, read the OT..."?

the closest they got to the abortion issue was if you cause a woman to miscarry you had to pay a fine..if killed a human you were put to death...so in gods eyes its not...you disagree with me but the bible does not consider an unborn child a human being

There's a lot incorrect in those four statements.

First, no references are provided. Please do so as we continue.

Second, if the reference is Ex. 21:22 then there are important qualifiers rendering you argument flawed. Most importantly is the fact the baby is born; it is born prematurely. if the early birth was incidental then a fine was paid. The miscarriage is an accident, not a willful destruction. Ex. 21:22 is quite clear: prematurely the woman gives birth. Prematurely she gives birth but no harm follows! Neither condition is the same as killing a fetal human in the uterus.

Third, not all killers of humans were killed. Murder was a capital offense, but accidental killing was not. God made exceptions in the law for such circumstances. See Dt. 19:1-13, and Josh. 20:1-6. God mitigated Lev. 24.

Lastly, to argue the Bible, and by extension God, does not consider a fetus a human being because a fine is paid is a false cause fallacy. Nothing can be inferred about the humanity of the fetus form a passage that is silent about that condition and no inferences can be drawn contrary to the facts of reality and the reality is human fetuses are human.


So not a single point you made withstands critical examination. Not a single statement matches what the scriptures actually report and not a single interpretation is consistent with the whole of scripture or the facts of reality. The disagreement isn't merely between you and me; it is between you and a plain reading of whole scripture.

The Bible reports we were made by God in the womb. He sees our unformed bodies and ordains our days. He knew us in the womb. (Job 31; Ps. 139; Jer. 1). I am unaware of any specific verse explicitly saying anything one way or another about the treatment of the yet-to-be born human. All positions are inferential. The question is are they exegetically inferential, or eisegetically inferential. Your inferences fail. They fail because the verses weren't considered as written.

 

[RaymondG]

I was born with a heart defects. The particular defects turned out to be minor but for many one of them can be severe and inhibit quality of life. When I was born they did not know how to treat the problem. Nowadays they operate on the infant, repairing the defect soon out of the womb and the child can grow up normally. But many doctors cannot predict the severity of the problem in utero and may offr the prgnant mother the option to abort rather than take the risk - a risk that might not turn out to be a problem for the child at all. I'm now 61, in good health (despite the still-present defect), and have lived a full and eventful life with what I hope will be another 20-25 years to go.

Do you believe that, had you been aborted because of the defeat, you would of never gotten a chance to live again?....on earth, that is.

And the very fact that you were born....Is it because your mother willed it...or God?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Quality of life for the disabled pregnant sexual assault victims.
And the resulting birth children.

Children given potentially eternal life by the Creator who gives and grants life through conception and birth, yes....

Even a hard difficult life - which is promised anyway to everyone who stands up for the truth - even persecution and martyrdom....

Realize WHO JESUS WAS, WHEN IN THE WOMB.....

 

[SPF]

And again according to the bible its not, read your old testament the closest they got to the abortion issue was if you cause a woman to miscary you had to pay a fine..if killed a human you were put to death...so in gods eyes its not...you disagree with me but the bible does not consider an unborn child a human being. So Christianitys stance on abortion has nothing to do with the bible thats all I am saying.

Robert, unfortunately you've made yourself an example of what happens when people read Scripture and don't take the time to actually understand the passage. You're basing your interpretation upon a faulty English translation. And it's causing you to believe something not true.

Exodus 21: King James Version (KJV):

22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet nomischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.


Now from the Hebrew Lexicon
So that her fruit:
Hebrew: יֶלֶד yeled
The KJV translates Strongs H3206 in the following manner:child (72x), young man (7x), young ones(3x), sons (3x), boy (2x), fruit (1x), variant (1x).

child, son, boy, offspring, youth
1. child, son, boy
2. child, children
3. descendants
4. youth

Yeled is not miscarriage nor still birth, it's a live child.
Is there a Hebrew word for miscarriage and stillborn? Yes and it is not Yeled.

Exodus 23: KJV
26 There shall nothing cast their young, nor be barren, in thy land: the number of thy days I will fulfill.

The above now in the Hebrew lexicon:
שָׁכֹל shakol
The KJV translates Strongs H7921 in the following manner:bereave (10x),barren (2x),childless(2x), cast young (2x), cast a calf (1x), lost children (1x),rob of children (1x), deprived (1x), misc (5x).
שָׁכֹל shâkôl, shaw-kole'; a primitive root; properly, to miscarry, i.e. suffer abortion; by analogy, to bereave (literally or figuratively):—bereave (of children), barren, cast calf (fruit, young), be (make) childless, deprive, destroy, × expect, lose children, miscarry, rob of children, spoil.

So we can see shakol is not used in Exodus 21:22ff.

Yaled is alive; shakol is miscarriage.

In other words, in case you weren't able to track with that - The passage is saying that if the woman gives birth prematurely but the baby does not die, then there will be a fine. But if the woman gives birth and the baby dies, then there is life for life.

Your interpretation is just plain incorrect. You won't find a Biblical passage teaching that the value of the unborn is subordinate to the value of the born.

 

[RaymondG]

Not following. Not everyone who agrees with the Bible thinks killing fetal humans is wrong. Many in the liberal end of Christianity support abortion.

This is false. No one supports abortion. But there are some who believe you should have a right to make your own choice about it and not be forced one way or the other, if it is legal. And there are other who believe that everyone should be forced to do what they believe right, regardless of what the laws says, and shame them if they do what they feel is right.

Similar to Guns. One can be totally against guns, believe the bible/Jesus us against them, and vow to never get one themselves....... Yet still support the ability of others to choice to have one, if it is lawful to do so....

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Many of the practices in the abortion industry are an abomination.





Now I am going to tell other Christians here a simple fact, god does not acknowlege an unborn child as a human being in the bible. Gods says it, if you cause a woman to lose her child you have to pay her a fine for the loss, if you kill a human being god says you are to be put to death. So Christians I am sorry according to the bible its not murder.

Now my stance, a fetus is a human being and and abortion is murder in my personal oppinon.
It should stay legal in only two cases, one if a woman is a victim of rape and even then it to be in the first 2 or 3 months, take into account shock but if you wait 6 months then decide you want an abortion..thats sick because at 6 months the child can survive with medical assistancce.

Secondly for medical reason such as the mother not being able to carry to term...case in point a woman in ireland was miscarrying and they would not remove the baby cause the heart was beating, the child was dead short of jesus christ coming down from the heavens that baby was going to die. But they waited for heart to stop..she got an inffection because of it and died.

Abortion should not be a form of brith control. If you do not want kids uses condoms and the pill or better yet keep your legs closed and pants zipped.

Christians your stance on abortion is not a religious issue...its moral personal one so get over the god says it abortion bit cause he done not consider and unborn child a human being according to the bible..sorry

And we sure don't have to look far to see some of their followers and supporters.
Pretty sad is it not?
Dear God we oppose them --
please have mercy on us
and bring them to a point of Repentance.
M-Bob

 

[RaymondG]

I must have a weird bible then because mine says this:


◄ Jeremiah 1:5 ►

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart

You believe that God has the power to know you before the womb, but has no say in who is delivered and who isnt?

 

[Brightmoon]

Now a reductio ad absurdum is being attempted. Rational humans do not make social policy and jurisprudence based on the the extremes. Abortions due to the potential health risks of the mother or the child are less than a quarter of all US abortions and those due to actual life-threatening conditions constitution less than 2%. Abortion would not be the fiercely debated subject it is if abortions were restricted to medical necessity. Prior to Roe that was the standard. When you have an argument for the 97% of elective abortions you let me know. Otherwise, both your posts have argued fallacies of one kind or another.

Quality of life does not trump existence of life.

I spent 25 years of my life working with adults with physical and developmental disabilities. They are extraordinary people; every one of whom deserved the life s/he lived.

Let me know when you have a rational case for elective killing of fetal humans.

Very Prior to Roe abortions weren’t illegal and were carried out by midwives. Baby farming wasn’t illegal either except if the baby farmer killed the child which a lot of them did.Male 19th century Medical doctors wanted to drive the female midwives out of business and made abortions illegal . Women have always had abortions . What Roe vs Wade actually did was make them safe . I don’t want to see “coat hanger“ abortions with their subsequent deaths and mutilations come back because that’s the only thing that would happen!