The Truth About Abortion

[SkyWriting]

"That's correct" -
it doesn't matter what they think about the existence of life, or the quality of life,
it is rebellion and sin
when they oppose all Scripture, oppose Jesus, and do not heal people.

Healing is not an option and quality of life wins.

 

[SkyWriting]

Abortion kills humans. People electively, selectively killing fetal humans because of fears of the future.

Rational people thinking of their own lives
and not meddling in your life.

You have fears of being wrong. It's no difference.
To think we could control what other people do
is near madness. Such ideas are not too sane.

 

[Josheb]

Rational people thinking of their own lives
and not meddling in your life.

Non sequitur. And a factually incorrect one at that.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Healing is not an option and quality of life wins.

For the world , that is always true. (or at least usually thought true.).

It is still sinful, and opposed to Jesus, opposed to God's Word, and wrong according to God and His Word.

 

[SkyWriting]

It should stay legal in only two cases...

Legality is decided by the entire population, and God's words says to submit to it.

 

[SkyWriting]

For the world , that is always true. (or at least usually thought true.).

It is still sinful, and opposed to Jesus, opposed to God's Word, and wrong according to God and His Word.

God's word says to submit to government laws. So that's that.

What Does the Bible Say About Authority?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Non sequitur. And a factually incorrect one at that.

I have seen that facts do not matter, Scripture does not matter, truth does not matter,
when the flesh is being exalted or believed, or anything of or from the flesh. (i.e. "profits nothing") ....
Only by grace, the Creator's Amazing Extravagantly Generous Grace undeserved,
can anyone turn away from the support of the world,
to the Creator's Kingdom,
to learn from Him. (opposed to the whole world system of sin)

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

No.
God's Word says NOT to obey men, when they direct someone to oppose God.
So only those people who oppose God go along with and support the sinfulness of the world governments.

Legality is decided by the entire population, and God's words says to submit to it.

God's word says to submit to government laws. So that's that.

 

[Josheb]

Correct, but that won't matter, will it ? "It seems" that Most everyone who agrees with the Bible agrees killing babies (in utero and after being born) is wrong. But those who do not agree with the Bible often don't care, and break all the commandments, or so it seems .... (from posts over the years)

?????

Not following. Not everyone who agrees with the Bible thinks killing fetal humans is wrong. Many in the liberal end of Christianity support abortion. Many atheists and people of other religious perspectives are against abortion. What others do or don't has no bearing on a rational argument. Appeals to consensus are fallacious on both sides.

That's why I appreciated the op's emphasis on facts and commented on the premise of "being." The being in the uterus be being a being and some folks want to kill him/her simply because s/he be being a being in utero.

It is wrong. It is not good moral policy, it is not good social policy, it is not good medical policy and it is not good legal policy. Abortion kills humans.

I have seen that facts do not matter, Scripture does not matter, truth does not matter,when the flesh is being exalted or believed, or anything of or from the flesh. (i.e. "profits nothing") .... Only by grace, the Creator's Amazing Extravagantly Generous Grace undeserved, can anyone turn away from the support of the world, to the Creator's Kingdom, to learn from Him. (opposed to the whole world system of sin)

Yes, but that's not going to persuade any dissenters here.

 

[SkyWriting]

No.
God's Word says NOT to obey men, when they direct someone to oppose God.
So only those people who oppose God go along with and support the sinfulness of the world governments.

Except it doesn't say that anywhere. It says to ignore church leaders
and submit to local government.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Not following.

The one(s) who openly disagrees with the Bible,
thus openly also approves of sin, including the sins discussed so far in this thread.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Except it doesn't say that anywhere. It says to ignore church leaders.

Look again.
You openly denied here, again, what the Apostles who were taught and trained by Jesus, obedient to the Creator, said clearly in Scripture.

 

[SkyWriting]

Look again.
You openly denied here, again, what the Apostles who were taught and trained by Jesus, obedient to the Creator, said clearly in Scripture.

I only deny your claim.
And I support that with 50 or so passages.
You are welcome to use that search engine below to find what you imagine.

What Does the Bible Say About Authority?

What Does the Bible Say About Government?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

As always denying Scripture,
and (apparently always) supporting a sinful life with pulled out verses that
do not actually approve of such sin.
As written "You know neither Scripture nor the Power of God" ....

The Scribes and Pharisees who sought to put Jesus the Messiah to death , I think did the same thing, and God says the same thing about them.

I only deny your claim.
And I support that with 50 or so passages.

 

[Daniel9v9]

Many in our day will object to abortion as synonymous to the killing of a child. They will draw a line between a fetus and a person. This distinction is philosophical and not scientific. It is a question of what constitutes a person. I would argue that a person, that is, a human being, is easily definable and not subject to size, development, intelligence or awareness. If we observe an unborn child, it is sufficient to ask two questions: (1) Are there signs of life or not? And (2) What species is the being? If the answers are (1) Yes, (2) human, we very clearly have a living human being — a person. To claim otherwise would be to suggest that the being is either inanimate or a different species, which is incorrect. To say that the child is merely a part of the mother's body is also inadequate as there most certainly are two beings connected to one another, only one sustaining the other. The lack of independence does not mean a lack of a human nature.

Scriptures are against abortion and so it was rightly understood and taught by the early Church. Abortion is sin on many levels, but at its heart, it is hatred for mankind and rebellion towards God. It comes out of fear and selfishness, and a failure to grasp that children are not a curse or inconvenience, but always a blessing. Even through tragic circumstances, God may bless us with a gift of life, which is meant for our comfort, not for our shame or grief. If circumstances prevent someone to raise a child, let the child be adopted, as God adopts us sinners.

 

[Mayflower1]

Now I am going to tell other Christians here a simple fact, god does not acknowlege an unborn child as a human being in the bible. Gods says it, if you cause a woman to lose her child you have to pay her a fine for the loss, if you kill a human being god says you are to be put to death. So Christians I am sorry according to the bible its not murder.

I am unsure of which passage you are thinking of, but sometimes causing a woman to miscarry is not murder, but accidental death. People didn't perform abortions then. There are a lot of laws in the OT that are necessary to have the referance to look at and better understand. In Psalm 139, it talks about how God knit us together in our Mother's Womb and we are fearfully and wonderfully made. In Jeremiah, it says that God knew us before we were conceived. I believe God cares for every single human being in the womb or out of the womb. This belief is backed on how God talks about even the preconceived in His Word.

 

[Robert6671]

If it hasn't already been read then I encourage and exhort you to pick up a copies of Nancy Pearcey's "Love Thy Body," and "Total Truth." Seriously. Well worth the read. I also encourage the reading of Francis Schaeffer's trilogy and his "A Christian Manifesto." Seriously, Robert, I wish to impress upon you the importance of these writings. If you're living in the continental US I will purchase the Schaeffer triology for you and have Amazon send it to a post office near you General Delivery if you'll pledge to read it in its entirety. Message me and I'll give you my contact info.


That being said, something very subtle and insidious in the OP should be noted: the use of the word "being." Liberals have already skewed the conversation with what is now called "personhood," or "personhood theory." We buy into that paradigm unwittingly and surrender ground thereof when we include the word "being" unnecessarily. Re-read that opening sentence in the op without the word, "being" and see if it still doesn't make perfect sense and more accurately communicate both the truth and your point.

"look at a fetus at 12 weeks you can google it, tell me that's not a human.[/i]​

The facts of science are that we can take a cell sample of that fetus at any stage in its development and identify it as human. From conception it is human. A week later it is still human. It's not a monkey, it's not a sparrow or an eagle, it's not an alligator or a striped bass; it's human.

Abortion kills humans.

That is a fact.

That is a scientifically verifiable fact.

When the word "being" is added on, that opens up the conversation to things not yet decided by fact and not likely to be decided by fact because being a being is not yet a matter of scientifically verifiable fact nor a matter of consensus. Pearcey's "Love They Body" does a very good job of addressing this.

Use "human," and leave off the "being."

And again according to the bible its not, read your old testament the closest they got to the abortion issue was if you cause a woman to miscary you had to pay a fine..if killed a human you were put to death...so in gods eyes its not...you disagree with me but the bible does not consider an unborn child a human being. So Christianitys stance on abortion has nothing to do with the bible thats all I am saying.

 

[Robert6671]

Making a point and then stating that everyone who disagrees with you is "dillusional or a professional liar," is not a good way to start a friendly conversation, or to "reason together" as the bible states. So what are your intentions?

You know I was mad when i made this point...mainly cause I have heard christians rant about abortion....my mom had one..she didnt want to but she had cancer and the chemo aside she could have carried to term..the child would died and she might have died and she still had several children under the age of 5. And when I hear a preacher going on about how its against gods law and how anyone who has an abortion will burn in hell. I lost my mom 2 years ago she finally lost her battle with cancer. My intention was to rant.

 

[Robert6671]

Quality of life does not trump existence of life.

I spent 25 years of my life working with adults with physical and developmental disabilities. They are extraordinary people; every one of whom deserved the life s/he lived.

Let me know when you have a rational case for elective killing of fetal humans.[/QUOTE]

Your still not getting the point according to the bible and unborn child is not murder. In the diable murder is punished by death...cause a woman to lose a child and your fined...that is the biggest point your stance is based on scripture its based on a personal moral belief one I believe in but I and you do not have the right to enforce your mine personal moral bleifs onto another persoon.

 

[SamanthaAnastasia]

I will deal with facts here, look at a fetus at 12 weeks you can google it, tell me thats not a human being..if you can say thats not a human being there your either dillusional or a professional liar. Many of the practices in the abortion industry are an abomination.

Now I am going to tell other Christians here a simple fact, god does not acknowlege an unborn child as a human being in the bible. Gods says it, if you cause a woman to lose her child you have to pay her a fine for the loss, if you kill a human being god says you are to be put to death. So Christians I am sorry according to the bible its not murder.

Now my stance, a fetus is a human being and and abortion is murder in my personal oppinon.
It should stay legal in only two cases, one if a woman is a victim of rape and even then it to be in the first 2 or 3 months, take into account shock but if you wait 6 months then decide you want an abortion..thats sick because at 6 months the child can survive with medical assistancce.

Secondly for medical reason such as the mother not being able to carry to term...case in point a woman in ireland was miscarrying and they would not remove the baby cause the heart was beating, the child was dead short of jesus christ coming down from the heavens that baby was going to die. But they waited for heart to stop..she got an inffection because of it and died.

Abortion should not be a form of brith control. If you do not want kids uses condoms and the pill or better yet keep your legs closed and pants zipped.

Christians your stance on abortion is not a religious issue...its moral personal one so get over the god says it abortion bit cause he done not consider and unborn child a human being according to the bible..sorry

I agree with what you said but not everyone has the same morals or is a Christian.