The True Sabbath day.

[The Thadman]

Christ is the reality of the Sabbath. We enter into His rest and enjoy Him everyday. He is the Sabbath, He is our rest. We labour to enter into rest, where Christ has accomplished everything for us.

#1) Then why does he tell us that OUR righteousness must be up to snuff?

#2) Are you saying that this precludes resting on the 7th day?

For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

And Hebrews isn't helping your point He who enters into the Lord's Rest (the Sabbath) ceases laboring ("his own works" in KJV speak) Take a look at how the NIV renders it:

Hebrews 4
9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience.

Peace!
-Steve-o

 

[Symes]

Christ is the reality of the Sabbath. We enter into His rest and enjoy Him everyday. He is the Sabbath, He is our rest. We labour to enter into rest, where Christ has accomplished everything for us.

For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Christ is also our example, He rested on the 7th day.

There is no command to do anything different

 

[mythbuster]

Steve-o-aramaic freak,

IMOVHO (in my own very humble opinion), Christ is the reality of the Old Testament Sabbath (and many other OT items as well.) All our problems, in Christ, are solved. So in this sense we enter into His rest, which is the reality of the the Sabbath.
Peace be multiplied.

 

[Symes]

Steve-o-aramaic freak,

IMOVHO (in my own very humble opinion), Christ is the reality of the Old Testament Sabbath (and many other OT items as well.) All our problems, in Christ, are solved. So in this sense we enter into His rest, which is the reality of the the Sabbath.
Peace be multiplied.

That is pure speculation.

Give me a Bible verse that says all that.

No spin, just straight out Bible verses.

 

[The Thadman]

Steve-o-aramaic freak,

IMOVHO (in my own very humble opinion), Christ is the reality of the Old Testament Sabbath (and many other OT items as well.) All our problems, in Christ, are solved. So in this sense we enter into His rest, which is the reality of the the Sabbath.
Peace be multiplied.

IMOVHO, that's a very round about way of saying that the Torah (and all things under that heading including but not limited to the Sabbath, Tahor, Tzitzit, etc.) no longer applies to is today because Jesus "solved" these "problems."

Jesus did not abolish the Torah, he said that not one jot or tittle would pass away from both the Torah and the Books of the Prophets until all things are accomplished. Last time I checked, we're not living in the Messianic kingdom, so it (and everything under it) must still apply.

You are right in saying that he is the reality of the OT. He taught pure, unadulterated Torah. Not a single teaching of his is new.

Peace!
-Steve-o

 

[The Thadman]

That is pure speculation.

Give me a Bible verse that says all that.

No spin, just straight out Bible verses.

I'd really like to see "And Jesus said to them, 'You need not keep the Torah and the Prophets because I kept them for you.'" And then find a way to harmonize it with "Unless YOUR righteousness exceeds that of the Scribes and Pharisees..."

Peace!
-Steve-o

 

[Symes]

I'd really like to see "And Jesus said to them, 'You need not keep the Torah and the Prophets because I kept them for you.'" And then find a way to harmonize it with "Unless YOUR righteousness exceeds that of the Scribes and Pharisees..."

Peace!
-Steve-o

I would like someone out there who keeps Sunday as the Sabbath to come out and give me a verse that says the Sabbath has been changed.

That verse if there is such a one should be able to be found.

There are so many Sunday keepers, surely something must be there for so many to keep Sunday.

 

[hraedisc]

They will keep on saying that Sunday is the "Lord's Day" even though this idea is unBiblical.

They do theological backflips in order to maintain their unBibilical tradition and reject the commandment of God.

Mark 7
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

This was prophesied:

Daniel 7, NASB
25 'He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law ...

Amplified Bible (AMP)
think to change the time [of sacred feasts and holy days] and the law
New Living Translation (NLT)
try to change their sacred festivals and laws
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
He will try to change God's Law and the sacred seasons.
New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
try to change the times and laws that were given by God.
(Catholic) New American Bible
thinking to change the feast days and the law.

 

[ClementofRome]

They will keep on saying that Sunday is the "Lord's Day" even though this idea is unBiblical.

Unbiblical?

Revelation 1:9 I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet... (NASB)

or if you prefer...
Revelation 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet... (KJV)


Now by 96AD, John, being a Jewish Christian, most certainly meant Sunday. Being a Jew, if it had been the Sabbath, he would have said so. IMHO.

Now I am not a Sunday Sabbatarian, but I just wanted to point out that the "Lord's day" is a biblical concept. No, it does not replace the Shabbot, but it is a biblically recognized "day."

 

[Symes]

They will keep on saying that Sunday is the "Lord's Day" even though this idea is unBiblical.

They do theological backflips in order to maintain their unBibilical tradition and reject the commandment of God.

Mark 7
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

This was prophesied:

Daniel 7, NASB
25 'He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law ...

Amplified Bible (AMP)
think to change the time [of sacred feasts and holy days] and the law
New Living Translation (NLT)
try to change their sacred festivals and laws
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
He will try to change God's Law and the sacred seasons.
New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
try to change the times and laws that were given by God.
(Catholic) New American Bible
thinking to change the feast days and the law.

"FIRST DAY" BIBLE TEXTS

Millions of conscientious Christians attend church every Sunday, the first day of the week. They do so believing that somewhere, somehow, someone changed the day of worship. Either that, or they aren't aware that God set aside the seventh day, not the first day of the week as His holy day.

It is true, a change has been made.

But by whom? We've discovered that God made the Sabbath during the first week of earth's history. He set it aside as a weekly appointment between man and Himself - as a blessing, a refreshment, a date between two lovers so to speak (God and man.)

If God changed His mind about His special appointment day with us, wouldn't He have recorded so momentous an adjustment in the Bible?

We've already seen that the beast power claims to have made the change, but what does the Bible say about it?

There are eight texts in the New Testament that mention the first day of the week. Look at them carefully.

Matthew 28:1
1After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb

Mark 16:1,2
1When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus' body. 2Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb 3and they asked each other, "Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?"

Mark 16:9
9When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons.

Luke 24:1
1On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.

John 20:1
1Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.

John 20:19
19On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!"

Acts 20:7,8
7On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight. 8There were many lamps in the upstairs room where we were meeting.

I Corinthians 16:1,2
1Now about the collection for God's people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. 2On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.

The first five texts simply state that the women came to the sepulchre early on the resurrection morning, and that Jesus rose from the dead.

Now look up John 20:19 in your Bible. It tells us that Jesus appeared to the disciples later on the resurrection day. It says that the reason they were assembled was "for fear of the jews."

They were scared. No telling when the Jews might grab them and treat them to the same fate as their Master. They were hiding.

They had seen their beloved Master die on Friday. They returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment." Luke 23:56. And now they're hiding with the doors shut " for fear of the Jews." John 20:19.

There's no mention of a change.

The seventh text is Acts 20:7,8. It says ""and upon the first day Of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together."

This was a night meeting - the dark part of the first day of the week. In Bible reckoning, the dark part of the day comes before the light part. Genesis 1:5 - "and God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And the evening and the -morning were the first day,"' The dark part comes first.

The Bible reckons a day from sunset to sunset.

The seventh day begins on sunset Friday evening. The first day of the week begins sunset Saturday evening.

Paul is together with his friends on the dark part of the first day of the week - Saturday night. This is a farewell gettogether. He preached until mid-night, when poor Eutychus falls out the window. (Acts 20:9).

You can imagine how relieved they were when it was found that God spared his life. Verse eleven says that they talked till the break of day and then Paul departed. Verse thirteen shows that Paul spent that Sunday morning traveling to Assos.

There's nothing here either concerning a change of the Sabbath.

The New English Bible translates this text like this: "On the Saturday night, in our assembly for the breaking of bread, Paul, who was to leave the next day, addressed them, and went on speaking until midnight," Acts 20:7.

The last text mentions the first day of the week in I Corinthians 16:1,2.

It says - "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." Verse three tells that he will bring the offering to Jerusalem.

As he had done in Galatia, so Paul also requests of those in Corinth to have a collection all ready when he would come to take it to the poor saints in Jerusalem. There's nothing in the text about a church service, but each person is to "lay by him in store." the first of the week was the best time for the people to set some money aside because later in the week it would be spent, That's true today as well Paul requested this so that "there be no gatherings when I come." I Corinthians 16:2.

At this time the Christians are suffering hardship in Jerusalem and Paul is making his rounds to the churches taking up a collection for them. (We should be that thoughtful today.)

There's nothing in this text either about a change of God's Sabbath to Sunday.

Concerning worship, what was Paul's custom?

Here it is,
"And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures." Acts 17.2.

Jesus, as our example also had the custom of attending church on Saturday, the seventh day. (Luke 4:.16).

The great time prophecies of the Bible have all been fulfilled on schedule. Thus the accuracy and dependability of God's word are firmly established.

Looking at these texts with an open mind one cannot find any command to worship on the first day of the week.

Also there is no commnd to say that the 7th day Sabbath has been abolished.

 

[hraedisc]

Unbiblical?

Revelation 1:9 I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet... (NASB)

or if you prefer...
Revelation 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet... (KJV)


Now by 96AD, John, being a Jewish Christian, most certainly meant Sunday. Being a Jew, if it had been the Sabbath, he would have said so. IMHO.

Now I am not a Sunday Sabbatarian, but I just wanted to point out that the "Lord's day" is a biblical concept. No, it does not replace the Shabbot, but it is a biblically recognized "day."

What is the 'Lord's Day' of Revelation 1:10?

Sometimes Revelation 1:10 — "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice" — is used as biblical authority for calling Sunday "the Lord's Day." Notice, however, that this verse does not say the "first day of the week" or "Sunday" is what John calls "the Lord's day." It is unBiblical to say so.

We must remember two vital facts about the book of Revelation: First, it is a book of prophecy primarily concerning the time of Christ's coming and the events that lead up to it (Revelation 1:1-3, 7). Second, it is written by a Jew steeped in the language of the Old Testament. To him, the phrase en teé kuriakeé heeméra ("on the Lord's day")—and its Hebrew or Aramaic equivalent—would imply what is called in the Old Testament "the Day of the Lord," the time of the coming destruction that climaxes in the return of Christ (Isaiah 13:6, 9; Joel 1:15; 2:1, 11, 31; Amos 5:18; etc.).

If one wants to insist upon this text applying to a definite day of the week, he must look elsewhere to see which day the Bible calls the Lord's Day. Jesus says in Mark 2:28 that He is Lord of the Sabbath, and thus, as Master of that day, it belongs to Him. Isaiah 58:13 calls the Sabbath "My [the Lord's!] holy day." The other six days are ours to do our work and pleasures.

Finally, in the original commandment in Exodus 20:10, the Lord says, "The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God." Therefore, if John saw this vision on any day of the week—if it indeed occurred on "the Lord's day"—it was the seventh-day Sabbath!

 

[ClementofRome]

We must remember two vital facts about the book of Revelation: First, it is a book of prophecy primarily concerning the time of Christ's coming and the events that lead up to it (Revelation 1:1-3, 7). Second, it is written by a Jew steeped in the language of the Old Testament. To him, the phrase en teé kuriakeé heeméra ("on the Lord's day")—and its Hebrew or Aramaic equivalent—would imply what is called in the Old Testament "the Day of the Lord," the time of the coming destruction that climaxes in the return of Christ (Isaiah 13:6, 9; Joel 1:15; 2:1, 11, 31; Amos 5:18; etc.).

If one wants to insist upon this text applying to a definite day of the week, he must look elsewhere to see which day the Bible calls the Lord's Day. Jesus says in Mark 2:28 that He is Lord of the Sabbath, and thus, as Master of that day, it belongs to Him. Isaiah 58:13 calls the Sabbath "My [the Lord's!] holy day." The other six days are ours to do our work and pleasures.

Finally, in the original commandment in Exodus 20:10, the Lord says, "The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God." Therefore, if John saw this vision on any day of the week—if it indeed occurred on "the Lord's day"—it was the seventh-day Sabbath!

I apologize if I said something that deserved the large font and bright colors. I am quite versed in John's use of the OT and recognize the fact that he was thoroughly steeped in such. However, I would take issue that 1:10 is some futuristic expression. He was stating that the vision occurred on the "Lord's day"....now, being a Jew and being so steeped in his usage of the OT, do you really think that he was talking about the "Day of the Lord"? I think that this is reading as much into the text as my suggestion that he might have been sitting there praying on a Sunday morning when he was taken by the vision. And seriouosly, if he was referring to the Sabbath, don't you think that he might have used that very tjheologically sacred word?

Again, I am NOT arguing for a Sunday Sabbath, please. I am arguing that John's words "Lord's day" are more easily interpreted as Sunday as Saturday or any other day for that matter.

And as for the "Day of the Lord" parallel....I would argue that it ain't!

I am not going to take the time to disect Rev. in light of apocalyptic literature and attempt to prove that John's revelation is past, present and future...and that the structure is that of progressive recapitulation (read Hendrickson's "More Than Conquerers" for an excellent treatment of that), but your forcing a furutistic interp on 1:10 is surprising to me.

All I have suggested is that the concept of "Lord's day" is in fact biblical.

Alas, we are off topic and might move this to the Eschatology board. My apologies to all.

 

[Symes]

I apologize if I said something that deserved the large font and bright colors. I am quite versed in John's use of the OT and recognize the fact that he was thoroughly steeped in such. However, I would take issue that 1:10 is some futuristic expression. He was stating that the vision occurred on the "Lord's day"....now, being a Jew and being so steeped in his usage of the OT, do you really think that he was talking about the "Day of the Lord"? I think that this is reading as much into the text as my suggestion that he might have been sitting there praying on a Sunday morning when he was taken by the vision. And seriouosly, if he was referring to the Sabbath, don't you think that he might have used that very tjheologically sacred word?

Again, I am NOT arguing for a Sunday Sabbath, please. I am arguing that John's words "Lord's day" are more easily interpreted as Sunday as Saturday or any other day for that matter.

And as for the "Day of the Lord" parallel....I would argue that it ain't!

I am not going to take the time to disect Rev. in light of apocalyptic literature and attempt to prove that John's revelation is past, present and future...and that the structure is that of progressive recapitulation (read Hendrickson's "More Than Conquerers" for an excellent treatment of that), but your forcing a furutistic interp on 1:10 is surprising to me.

All I have suggested is that the concept of "Lord's day" is in fact biblical.

Alas, we are off topic and might move this to the Eschatology board. My apologies to all.

The "Lord's day" cannot be Sunday.

No where in the Bible is the first day of the week refered to as the "Lord's day"

 

[Symes]

I apologize if I said something that deserved the large font and bright colors. I am quite versed in John's use of the OT and recognize the fact that he was thoroughly steeped in such. However, I would take issue that 1:10 is some futuristic expression. He was stating that the vision occurred on the "Lord's day"....now, being a Jew and being so steeped in his usage of the OT, do you really think that he was talking about the "Day of the Lord"? I think that this is reading as much into the text as my suggestion that he might have been sitting there praying on a Sunday morning when he was taken by the vision. And seriouosly, if he was referring to the Sabbath, don't you think that he might have used that very tjheologically sacred word?

Again, I am NOT arguing for a Sunday Sabbath, please. I am arguing that John's words "Lord's day" are more easily interpreted as Sunday as Saturday or any other day for that matter.

And as for the "Day of the Lord" parallel....I would argue that it ain't!

I am not going to take the time to disect Rev. in light of apocalyptic literature and attempt to prove that John's revelation is past, present and future...and that the structure is that of progressive recapitulation (read Hendrickson's "More Than Conquerers" for an excellent treatment of that), but your forcing a furutistic interp on 1:10 is surprising to me.

All I have suggested is that the concept of "Lord's day" is in fact biblical.

Alas, we are off topic and might move this to the Eschatology board. My apologies to all.

The "Lord's day" cannot be Sunday

No where in the Bible is the first day of the week referred to as the "Lord's day"

 

[Symes]

"FIRST DAY" BIBLE TEXTS

Millions of conscientious Christians attend church every Sunday, the first day of the week. They do so believing that somewhere, somehow, someone changed the day of worship. Either that, or they aren't aware that God set aside the seventh day, not the first day of the week as His holy day.

It is true, a change has been made.

But by whom? We've discovered that God made the Sabbath during the first week of earth's history. He set it aside as a weekly appointment between man and Himself - as a blessing, a refreshment, a date between two lovers so to speak (God and man.)

If God changed His mind about His special appointment day with us, wouldn't He have recorded so momentous an adjustment in the Bible?

We've already seen that the beast power claims to have made the change, but what does the Bible say about it?

There are eight texts in the New Testament that mention the first day of the week. Look at them carefully.

Matthew 28:1
1After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb

Mark 16:1,2
1When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus' body. 2Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb 3and they asked each other, "Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?"

Mark 16:9
9When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons.

Luke 24:1
1On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.

John 20:1
1Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.

John 20:19
19On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!"

Acts 20:7,8
7On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight. 8There were many lamps in the upstairs room where we were meeting.

I Corinthians 16:1,2
1Now about the collection for God's people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. 2On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.

The first five texts simply state that the women came to the sepulchre early on the resurrection morning, and that Jesus rose from the dead.

Now look up John 20:19 in your Bible. It tells us that Jesus appeared to the disciples later on the resurrection day. It says that the reason they were assembled was "for fear of the jews."

They were scared. No telling when the Jews might grab them and treat them to the same fate as their Master. They were hiding.

They had seen their beloved Master die on Friday. They returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment." Luke 23:56. And now they're hiding with the doors shut " for fear of the Jews." John 20:19.

There's no mention of a change.

The seventh text is Acts 20:7,8. It says ""and upon the first day Of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together."

This was a night meeting - the dark part of the first day of the week. In Bible reckoning, the dark part of the day comes before the light part. Genesis 1:5 - "and God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And the evening and the -morning were the first day,"' The dark part comes first.

The Bible reckons a day from sunset to sunset.

The seventh day begins on sunset Friday evening. The first day of the week begins sunset Saturday evening.

Paul is together with his friends on the dark part of the first day of the week - Saturday night. This is a farewell gettogether. He preached until mid-night, when poor Eutychus falls out the window. (Acts 20:9).

You can imagine how relieved they were when it was found that God spared his life. Verse eleven says that they talked till the break of day and then Paul departed. Verse thirteen shows that Paul spent that Sunday morning traveling to Assos.

There's nothing here either concerning a change of the Sabbath.

The New English Bible translates this text like this: "On the Saturday night, in our assembly for the breaking of bread, Paul, who was to leave the next day, addressed them, and went on speaking until midnight," Acts 20:7.

The last text mentions the first day of the week in I Corinthians 16:1,2.

It says - "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." Verse three tells that he will bring the offering to Jerusalem.

As he had done in Galatia, so Paul also requests of those in Corinth to have a collection all ready when he would come to take it to the poor saints in Jerusalem. There's nothing in the text about a church service, but each person is to "lay by him in store." the first of the week was the best time for the people to set some money aside because later in the week it would be spent, That's true today as well Paul requested this so that "there be no gatherings when I come." I Corinthians 16:2.

At this time the Christians are suffering hardship in Jerusalem and Paul is making his rounds to the churches taking up a collection for them. (We should be that thoughtful today.)

There's nothing in this text either about a change of God's Sabbath to Sunday.

Concerning worship, what was Paul's custom?

Here it is,
"And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures." Acts 17.2.

Jesus, as our example also had the custom of attending church on Saturday, the seventh day. (Luke 4:.16).

The great time prophecies of the Bible have all been fulfilled on schedule. Thus the accuracy and dependability of God's word are firmly established.

Looking at these texts with an open mind one cannot find any command to worship on the first day of the week.

Also there is no commnd to say that the 7th day Sabbath has been abolished.

No one has ever come up with a serious reply to the above texts. I know the reason, there is no answer to them.

Great sums of money has been put up and so far there has not even been one person who can put in a claim to the money.

There is no text in the New Testament that says the Sabbath has been changed.

Anyone who puts up any money will never have anyone that will make a successful claim on it.

 

[mythbuster]

That is pure speculation.

Give me a Bible verse that says all that.

No spin, just straight out Bible verses.

Hebrews 4:1-11 shows that we should be diligent to enter His rest, and even have entered into His rest by believing. So for me at least this shows that the New Testament rest is more than the Old Testament rule keeping of the Sabbath. Also in Hebrews 9 we see the difference between the old ways and the new ways, where for sure we must agree that Christ is the NT reality of the OT priesthood.

9:11 But Christ having come a high priest of the good things to come, through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation,cb(9,12); 9:12 nor yet through the blood of goats and calves, but through his own blood, entered in once for all into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption.

Let us fear therefore, lest haply, a promise being left of entering into his rest, any one of you should seem to have come short of it.cb(4,2); 4:2 For indeed we have had good tidings preached unto us, even as also they: but the word of hearing did not profit them, because it was not united by faith with them that heard.cb(4,3); 4:3 For we who have believed do enter into that rest; even as he hath said, As I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.cb(4,4); 4:4 For he hath said somewhere of the seventh day on this wise, And God rested on the seventh day from all his works;cb(4,5); 4:5 and in this place again, They shall not enter into my rest. 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some should enter thereinto, and they to whom the good tidings were before preached failed to enter in because of disobedience,cb(4,7); 4:7 he again defineth a certain day, To-day, saying in David so long a time afterward (even as hath been said before), To-day if ye shall hear his voice, Harden not your hearts. 4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day.cb(4,9); 4:9 There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.cb(4,10); 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his.cb(4,11); 4:11 Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, that no man fall after the same example of disobedience.cb(4,12);

 

[snoopyloopysk8a]

No, the Sabbath was never changed from Saturday to Sunday. The Sabbath is still Saturday, and always will be. The Sabbath was one of the two institutions in the Garden of Eden at the end of Creation Week, marriage being the other one.

 

[The Thadman]

So for me at least this shows that the New Testament rest is more than the Old Testament rule keeping of the Sabbath.

So does this in any way change/nullify/be a basis not to fulfill (read: DO) the ordinance forever to abstain from work on Friday night to Saturday night? YES OR NO?

On the first line of your response just put one or the other.

Then, after two carriage returns explain with "but"s or "and"s if you need to please.

Peace!
-Steve-o

 

[The Thadman]

Ok, let me put blessings on the line (which seem to be very precious now that Erwin has added this RPG-like element to the forums ).

To whoever can show me, in the Bible, where we no longer need to observe the Sabbath, as per Exodus and Leviticus (and no, I don't mean rabbinic debates about what constitutes work on the Sabbath as what is discussed in Colossians 2), I will give 5000 blessings.

In order to complete this challenger, it will include the need to harmonize (we'll keep the list short) Exodus 16, Exodus 20, Exodus 31:13-16, Leviticus 19:3, Leviticus 19:30, Leviticus 26:2, Isaiah 56, Acts 17:2 and Hebrews 4:9 with proposed explanations.

Peace!
-Steve-o

 

[mythbuster]

So does this in any way change/nullify/be a basis not to fulfill (read: DO) the ordinance forever to abstain from work on Friday night to Saturday night? YES OR NO?

On the first line of your response just put one or the other.

Then, after two carriage returns explain with "but"s or "and"s if you need to please.

Peace!
-Steve-o

Line 1: Yes

Two carraige returns later. Yes we do not not work from Friday to Saturday night forever.

ASIDE: I was asked this Sabbath question on my last trip to Israel.
Is it OK to move a table on the Sabbath? Well it depends, if the table is on dirt then it would be considered a plow.

shalom