Cribstyl said:
Happy New Year Friend
PC, the claims I requested from text is; When was the ten commandments first given to Adam and Eve or anyonelse?
The bible shows sabbath was first given in Ex16 and 10.commandments first given at Sinia.
Several book of prophets present the children of Israel as the recepients of sabbath and the 10 commandments.
I have read the bible from many perspectives and I am shocked by what is taught by sabbath keepers.
All I can say is....by default we talk about sabbath and the law, because for some reason we have to hear about those issues rather than the gospel Christ sent His Apostles to preach.
CRIB
CRIB
Okay dear Brother, now that I’m awake to what is actually going on let me thankyou for your patience and perseverance with me.
I might get into trouble here but may I say what I think, which will be fairly basic. I agree with you! Absolutely!
May I take a little of your time please and just say a few things on this.
The seventh day of rest.
Gen 2: 2. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and HE RESTED on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2: 3. God BLESSED the seventh day, and SANCTIFIED it: because that in it HE HAD RESTED from all his work which God created and made.
From my Thesaurus, the word ‘Blessed’ means made holy, sacred, sanctified, hallowed, consecrated, set apart.
My Thesaurus says ‘sanctified’ means sacred, holy, hallowed, consecrated, blessed.
There was something special about that day but no command was made of it in law, not in the Bible.
This is my personal view. I think God, who at times dwelt with man may have rested with Adam and Eve on that special day here on Earth, as a reminder, a remembrance but that is pure supposition on my part and not biblically proven at all.
Adam and Eve were created wonderfully perfect and surely would have been of the same mind but there is no mention of that day as being law.
G
en 2: 9. “And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the TREE OF LIFE also in the midst of the garden, and the TREE OF KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.”
Adam and Eve, were made perfect and of course without sin therefore what law was needed?
So there were no problems at that time and no ten commandments are mentioned.
There was one commandment however a commandment based on trust given to Adam and Eve according to scripture, in that they were not to touch the tree of knowledge.
This was for their good and as we now clearly understand.
They had everything that was good including free choice.
Their relationship with God, was one of trust and God, gave them a command, not a request.
Gen 2: 16. “And the LORD GOD COMMANDED THE MAN, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:”
Gen 2: 17. “But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil THOU SHALT NOT EAT OF IT: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
The woman Eve. knew that one COMMANDMENT, not to touch the tree.
Gen 3: 1. Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Gen 3: 2. “And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:”
Gen 3: 3. “But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, NEITHER SHALL YE TOUCH IT, lest ye die.”
In hindsight we are well aware of the results of breaking God’s laws, which is the higher law and as a result the lesser or natural law breaks down gradually and death pervades everything.
The natural law is crumbling and the Earth, is dying as temperatures rise and we are witnessing this.
Once Eve listened to that old serpent she was drawn in by his seemingly innocuous questions and her eyes were fixed on that tree.
Gen 3: 6. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Adam knew better, yet still went ahead and ate the fruit and the results were instant they hid from God, because they realised their nakedness and knew shame for the first time.
As time went on, man became so corrupt morally they were wiped off the face of the Earth by the flood.
But the question arises how could there be corruption if there WAS NO LAW before the flood except the law not to touch the tree?
The tree of Knowledge may hold the answer here in that it was the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL that is the key.
So EVIL are acts disapproved of by God.
Yes I know that some will quote Paul in Rom 3: 27. 7: 8, 9. But I cannot find the ten commandments as such in the Bible before the floods.
So this knowledge of evil God states here
Gen 6: 11. The earth also was CORRUPT before God, and the earth was filled with VIOLENCE.
So violence is corruption to God and I would say rightly so.
It is without dispute that God, is the supreme judge, can we agree on that my dear friend?
Gen 6: 12. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
I think that their may have been sexual deviancies from the natural.
Why do I say that you may ask?
Gen 2: 4. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
So corrupt and out of touch with God, were they in Noah’s time they did not see the warnings of the coming disaster.
Gen 9: 15, was a covenant not to destroy man again with a flood.
Gen 9: 16 was a reminder, by each following rainbow to God, of that covenant by which He was bound to keep.
In Exodus 13: 3 Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out from this place: there shall no leavened bread be eaten.
‘The preparation day’ of the ‘Passover’ then the high Sabbath of unleavened bread that followed was to become part of Mosaic law and the ramifications of that to us is well known for a salvation plan that was put into effect moments after sin manifest itself in Adam and Eve.
Gen 3: 15. And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
As time progressed mosaic law was introduced so that the people would have special reminders of our God.
In Exodus 20 we were given the ten commandments.
I am not surprised that the Seventh day rest was chosen, a Sabbath, placed within and part of the ten commandments, written on stone by the finger of God, for our good.
The sad thing within this commemoration Sabbath day of His rest after creation week is that most have forgotten the word ‘REMEMBER’ the Sabbath day and keep it holy.’
How sad it must be for our Creator our God, that died for our sins, took our place of punishment to save us and yet so many refuse His strong arm to lift us from death to everlasting salvation.
Well that’s a little of how I see it and again I am in full agreement with you,
Nice talking with you Brother CRIB.
PC
It's just one of the evil obstacles defenders of the true Gospel face here.
I'm sure I will be seeing your name in the report section soon enough.
