The Three-Legged Stool of Apostasy

[honorthesabbath]

Hello reddogs.
The Gospel doesn't make your list?

Hello Joyoussong, and welcome to the SDA forum. I like your name.

I'm going to answer for Red right now--but if his answer differs from mine--then I apologize in advance.

As an SDA, and those to whom Red is addressing, the GOSPEL is inherent in ALL that the SDA church proclaims. So that when he was addressing those of the SDA church--the GOSPEL message is a given and there is no need to re-announce it. It is the the things he listed that are in debate in this forum--but never the gospel.

Hope this makes things a bit clearer.

 

[sentipente]

As an SDA, and those to whom Red is addressing, the GOSPEL is inherent in ALL that the SDA church proclaims.

Would you also say that the gospel is inherent in all that every church proclaims?

 

[freeindeed2]

Hello reddogs.
The Gospel doesn't make your list?

You picked that up pretty quick. Good to see you joyoussong.

In Christ alone...

 

[joyoussong]

Hello Joyoussong, and welcome to the SDA forum. I like your name.

I'm going to answer for Red right now--but if his answer differs from mine--then I apologize in advance.

As an SDA, and those to whom Red is addressing, the GOSPEL is inherent in ALL that the SDA church proclaims. So that when he was addressing those of the SDA church--the GOSPEL message is a given and there is no need to re-announce it. It is the the things he listed that are in debate in this forum--but never the gospel.

Hope this makes things a bit clearer.

Hello, honorthesabbath.Thanks for the welcome.
I'd have to disagree with you. The Gospel isn't inherent in the health message. Or the sabbath. And Ellen's 1844/sanctuary/IJ doctrine denies the Gospel.

 

[joyoussong]

You picked that up pretty quick. Good to see you joyoussong.

In Christ alone...

Good to see you. So this is where you've gotten off to.

 

[Mankin]

Hola joyoussong. Welcome to the forums.

 

[NightEternal]

Hello, honorthesabbath.Thanks for the welcome.
I'd have to disagree with you. The Gospel isn't inherent in the health message. Or the sabbath. And Ellen's 1844/sanctuary/IJ doctrine denies the Gospel.

Well you may have just as well painted a big red bullseye on your forhead with that post friend.

Welcome BTW. I'm sure I will be seeing your name in the report section soon enough.

 

[freeindeed2]

Good to see you. So this is where you've gotten off to.

Yes. I don't remember when I started posting here, but it's been a while ago now, maybe about a year. I posted on both forums for a while, but it became too time consuming. The true Gospel of Jesus Christ is largely avoided here, or at least largely distorted, so I stayed to try and direct others to Christ alone. It's amazing the resistance you get when you do that! LOL! This forum is often more about turf wars and who gets to control whom rather than Jesus Christ.

Welcome to the mayhem!

In Christ alone...

 

[NightEternal]

Is it just me or do we have an inordinate amount of formers and CARM people in here all of a sudden?

Did someone post a link from CARM to here and open up some sort of floodgate?

Maybe the Trads soon won't outnumber everyone else after all.

 

[freeindeed2]

Is it just me or do we have an inordinate amount of formers and CARM people in here all of a sudden?

Did someone post a link from CARM to here and open up some sort of floodgate?

Maybe the Trads soon won't outnumber everyone else after all.

For the record, I didn't post a link and have absolutely nothing to do with the defenders of the true Gospel of Jesus Christ showing up here (nor do I know of anyone else doing so). But it's nice to see them and refreshing to hear from those who focus on Jesus.

In Christ alone...

 

[djconklin]

And Ellen's 1844/sanctuary/IJ doctrine denies the Gospel.

Correction on two facts: EGW didn't make up any of the teachings that are listed. These were derived from in-depth Bible study over time.

Secondly, none of them "deny" the Gospel that we are saved from our sins and eternal death.

 

[djconklin]

The Gospel isn't inherent in the health message. Or the sabbath.

Not overtly, no. But, when you realize the great sacrifice that was paid to save you from your sins the last thing in the world you would wish to do would be to add to your sins (breaking the Sabbath commandment)* and since your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost** and you were created by the hand of God then you would wish to take care of it. Now those who would deny that we are created in God's image wouldn't care how you trash your body or your mind.


Texts:

*Romans 6

1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

**
1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

 

[djconklin]

Is it just me or do we have an inordinate amount of formers and CARM people in here all of a sudden?

Maybe someone yelled for help.
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Always keep your eyes on Jesus and His soon coming!

 

[reddogs]

For the record, I didn't post a link and have absolutely nothing to do with the defenders of the true Gospel of Jesus Christ showing up here (nor do I know of anyone else doing so). But it's nice to see them and refreshing to hear from those who focus on Jesus.

In Christ alone...

As I said before, CARM is just a attack forum and doesnt allow any honest discussion on Adventist issues, much less truth from Gods word or from Christs testimony, as I posted nothing but scripture at first to test it, and all they could do is make acusations that I was following 'the prophet' and find a way to get me banned.

 

[freeindeed2]

As I said before, CARM is just a attack forum and doesnt allow any honest discussion on Adventist issues, much less truth from Gods word or from Christs testimony, as I posted nothing but scripture at first to test it, and all they could do is make acusations that I was following 'the prophet' and find a way to get me banned.

Oh, I remember your first posts over there. You were like a bull in a china shop and didn't discuss. You cut a pasted large volumes of info without discussing it. Question after question was asked of you. You were asked to defend what you posted. But your responses were often more cut and paste and you did not adequately defend your beliefs through discussion.

It's complete open and honest discussion over there and they don't try to hide behind lousy rules as a layer of protection of actually defending beliefs. It's not about the report button over there either. This is one of the most closed forums I've ever seen. It's about exculsion and running people off who don't fit in the little box.

 

[StormyOne]

As I said before, CARM is just a attack forum and doesnt allow any honest discussion on Adventist issues, much less truth from Gods word or from Christs testimony, as I posted nothing but scripture at first to test it, and all they could do is make acusations that I was following 'the prophet' and find a way to get me banned.

if you started by posting your sermons, then I can see why you were asked to leave...

 

[djconklin]

It's complete open and honest discussion over there

Out on the farm they tell you to be careful not to step in any of that. CARM is as Red described it.

 

[joyoussong]

Well you may have just as well painted a big red bullseye on your forhead with that post friend.

Welcome BTW.

Thank you.

I'm sure I will be seeing your name in the report section soon enough.

So, what gets reported? Disagreeing?

 

[joyoussong]

Hola joyoussong. Welcome to the forums.

Thanks.

 

[NightEternal]

As one who has posted on CARM for a few weeks, I can only offer my honest assessment of the place:

Does it allow free and open discussion?

You bet.

Is it an attack forum against Adventism?

Without question. But they attack ideas and theology, not people. So, if you are an SDA who is faint of heart and not ready with any solid defense of TSDA doctrine, you had better go elsewhere, because they will tear your belief system to pieces, chew it up and spit it out at your feet without a second thought. They will not tolerate a different gospel than what Paul and Luther taught in any way, shape or form being espoused.

How popular is EGW over there?

About as popular as a pedophile in a daycare to most of them. But, some are a little less militant about that.

Caveat emptor-or should I say-let the TSDA poster beware.