The third temple - Should Christians support this initiative ?

[Carl Emerson]

The Jews are blind, not ungodly.

According to Scripture all unbelievers who reject Christ are ungodly not just blind.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Where did Jesus speak of the synagog of satan?

Twice in Revelation (2:9 and 3:9) The Spirit of Jesus, Prophetically through John.

 

[Carl Emerson]

If you saw them as godly but following a different yet orthodox denominational theology than yours, I don't think you'd so quickly vilify them as totally anti-christ as you do.

Again it is not the people but the religion that is clearly anti-Christ.

I noticed many believing Jews in Israel keeping their faith to themselves to avoid excommunication from their families or being fired from their jobs.

I was associated with a ministry giving support to Jews who converted to Christianity because of their love for Jesus, who were suffering persecution.

 

[Simonides]

Does converting to Judaism not require a renunciation of the Christian faith ?

Oh it certainly does. But you will never convince a dispensationalist of that obvious fact.

 

[Simonides]

Please explain this a bit further - I would have thought that because Judaism is anti-Christ any temple initiative would be as well.

Its kind of like building a whorehouse with full knowledge that it will eventually be filled with harlots, but convincing oneself it's still a wholesome endeavour, because said harlots haven't yet got off the bus from Vegas.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

Nonsense they all know who Jesus was and what he claimed.

I've already pointed out, no they don't all know that. Those who find out, receive Jesus as their Messiah. Like the 3,000 did on the day of Pentecost.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

the reference is to false teachers.

What does that mean to you?

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

Nor do I vilify an ethnic group - I make this clear in the OP.

You are comparing the Jews to anti-christ. Explain how that isn't villifying.

It isn't about the Jews but the religion of Judaism which clearly rejects Christ as Messiah.

Potatoes / pototoes. The religion of Judaism is our heritage. We are the engrafted branch, not the original olive tree.

This false religion wants to build the third temple and reinstate animal sacrifice.

God is the one who told them to make animal sacifices whose blood atones for sin. So you're saying that God gave the Jews a false practice of making animal sacrifices.

They don't see Gentile Christians as being in the right. They see the sacrifice of a human being as a false practice. They lived during the time of pagan human sacrifices so they've got that in their ethnic memories.

They called for the crucifixion of Jesus for his own sin. They saw it as no different than the crucifixion of the other two guys that day.

Only Jesus' disciples understood a little of what really happened at the crucifixion. Later, Peter explained it to the 3,000 Jews on the day of Pentecost. Resulting in their salvation.

For Gentile Christians animal sacrifices would be a false religion because we have the Christian religion, we accept what the crucifixion was for. (Jn.1:29; Isa.53:4-5, etc)

But for the Jews who've made animal sacrifices for centuries at God's instructions and approval., So why would that ancient way for them change to something false?

The building of a third temple is as much right for them as was the rebuilding of the second temple. Just because you can provide Christian bible references for Gentile Christians, doesn't make the Jewish bible references a false religion. It's only called the old testament, not the false religion testament.

Your words of condemnation concerning them are misplaced.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

According to Scripture all unbelievers who reject Christ are ungodly not just blind.

You are mischaracterizing them in a general way to fit your statements against them. But the Jews are not unbelieving Gentiles who've never accepted that God exists. Those are what the scripture calls unbelievers, no doubt some of those scriptures can be found in the old testament when a Jewish prophet, or David or others were speaking of the pagans that lived in the area where God had assigned them to be.

The Jews are godly, they uphold God's ways now as they've done for centuries before Christians ever came along. The fact that you think otherwise decreases your credibility.

They don't reject the Messiah of the old testament.

This is where my post of Joseph and his step brothers not recognizing him comes in.

They are blind that the Messiah is Jesus because of our way of practicing a non-Jewish religion doesn't fit with their personification of what the old testament Messiah is supposed to be like.

Jesus first came meek and mild because God's plan of salvation is spiritual, not physical. But Jesus Coming his Second time is physical. The Jews are highly physical oriented. They are looking for a mighty deliverer like a military general, they are looking for the Messianic Millennial King of God's kingdom that Daniel and other old testament books described.

The apostle Paul when he was Saul of Tarsis saw him when he was on the road to Damascus. Jesus wasn't meek and mild when He confronted him. Saul/Paul was instantly convinced who it was. The Messiah that all Jews are looking for.

They will see the Messiah that they are looking for when Jesus returns at his Second Coming and soon after sets up that Millennial Kingdom.

They don't practice a false religion.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

Twice in Revelation (2:9 and 3:9) The Spirit of Jesus, Prophetically through John

You quote the verse but you don't give your interpretation of what you consider it to mean.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

Again it is not the people but the religion that is clearly anti-Christ.

I noticed many believing Jews in Israel keeping their faith to themselves to avoid excommunication from their families or being fired from their jobs.

I was associated with a ministry giving support to Jews who converted to Christianity because of their love for Jesus, who were suffering persecution.

The prophets of the old testament suffered persecution.
The early Messianic Jews suffered persecution.
The Jews have suffered persecution from Christians.
Every Christian suffers persecution.
The Palestinian-Arabs suffer persecution/martyred when their family finds out that they accepted Jesus.

Why do you only mention the persecution of Jews from their own ethnic group to declare proof that the Judeo-religion is anti-christ?

 

[Carl Emerson]

I've already pointed out, no they don't all know that. Those who find out, receive Jesus as their Messiah. Like the 3,000 did on the day of Pentecost.

Really...

Do you believer that everyone who knows about Jesus receives Jesus...

Such a view is not supported by Scripture.

 

[Carl Emerson]

You are comparing the Jews to anti-christ. Explain how that isn't villifying.

Quote me please - I have said no such thing.

 

[Carl Emerson]

God is the one who told them to make animal sacifices whose blood atones for sin. So you're saying that God gave the Jews a false practice of making animal sacrifices.

God gave them Instructions that would educate them concerning the One True Sacrifice Who was to come.

 

[Carl Emerson]

They called for the crucifixion of Jesus for his own sin. They saw it as no different than the crucifixion of the other two guys that day.

They sure got that wrong...

 

[Carl Emerson]

But for the Jews who've made animal sacrifices for centuries at God's instructions and approval., So why would that ancient way for them change to something false?

It changed for something True.

 

[Carl Emerson]

The building of a third temple is as much right for them as was the rebuilding of the second temple. Just because you can provide Christian bible references for Gentile Christians, doesn't make the Jewish bible references a false religion. It's only called the old testament, not the false religion testament.

'Right for them' and Right are two different things.

The New Covenant was first given to Jews and they embraced it just as many do today.

The New Covenant nd the coming of Jesus as Messiah was foretold by Jewish Prophets of the Old Covenant.

Judaism today is in the hands of those who reject Jesus as Messiah and is anti-Christ.

 

[Carl Emerson]

You are mischaracterizing them in a general way to fit your statements against them. But the Jews are not unbelieving Gentiles who've never accepted that God exists. Those are what the scripture calls unbelievers, no doubt some of those scriptures can be found in the old testament when a Jewish prophet, or David or others were speaking of the pagans that lived in the area where God had assigned them to be.

Sorry but you seem not to have read the OP or are purposely misrepresenting me and what I have said, or both...

My issue is not with Jews, I have lived and worked among them and have a deep love for them.

 

[Carl Emerson]

You quote the verse but you don't give your interpretation of what you consider it to mean.

I answered your question.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Why do you only mention the persecution of Jews from their own ethnic group to declare proof that the Judeo-religion is anti-christ?

That is what I have witnessed first hand, and these behaviours are testament to the continuing rejection of Jesus and those who follow Him - by religious Jews. Surely you know it is illegal to systematically evangelise Jews in Israel. Judaism today strongly denies Jesus's Lordship. Any initiative to build the third temple and reinstate animal sacrifice will be an abomination that Christians should not support.