The third temple - Should Christians support this initiative ?

[RDKirk]

A true Bible-believing Christian knows that the 3rd Temple will be defiled by the AntiChrist.
According to the prophecy of an early saint - Hippolytus - the 3rd Temple will be the AntiChrist's gift to the Jewish people.

These are the end times and, as such, we should be praying for more time so that more people will have an opportunity to be saved and not be eager to see the 3rd Temple built.

Not that we can affect God's timing anyway.

God knows the name of the last person who will be saved. He's always known that name. Nothing we do will change His timetable.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

Well if the spirit behind the temple initiative is anti-christ and we are heading towards the culmination of time, there will be a serious deception afoot and a falling away. I know of folk who converted as a result of being passionately pro-Israel. Maybe ask Trumps daughter?

His daughter converted in 2009. She did so because she married a Jewish man. Because she loves him that much. She didn't fall away from being a committed Christian. So it has nothing to do with what your talking about now.

The temple initiative is only anti-christ when the pre-ac confirms a previous covenant which begins the 7 year Tribulation. Until then, there's no reports of any Christians en mass falling away in order to convert to Judaism.

The only falling away that has occurred in the BOC is within the UMC denomination. That's not a falling away from God in any complete way but from their moral groundings and specifically regarding their relationships, to put it mildly.

The falling away that Jesus describes is when the heart grows cold for God, primarily Jews because there was no Christians at the time. In the book of Revelation, no saints (Gentile Christians because all Jews since the ac declared he's God, fled to the hills)
are reported to fall away, even when facing martyrdom. Rather it specifically states that they loved not their lives even unto death.

You've not made your point that converting to Judaism is the result of deception or of falling away from Christianity. I don't see that being passionately pro-Israel means that deception's at work.

I'm suspicious that such things that you've heard of is a scare tactic of anti-semetics to frighten any Christian that's pro-Israel.. into going 180 into hating them. That would be the only deception that I could see regarding all of this.

 

[Carl Emerson]

His daughter converted in 2009. She did so because she married a Jewish man. Because she loves him that much. She didn't fall away from being a committed Christian. So it has nothing to do with what your talking about now.

Does converting to Judaism not require a renunciation of the Christian faith ?

 

[Carl Emerson]

The temple initiative is only anti-christ when the pre-ac confirms a previous covenant

Please explain this a bit further - I would have thought that because Judaism is anti-Christ any temple initiative would be as well.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I'm suspicious that such things that you've heard of is a scare tactic of anti-semetics to frighten any Christian that's pro-Israel.. into going 180 into hating them. That would be the only deception that I could see regarding all of this.

Quite wrong on this...

I have had a deep love for the Jews for 60 years, that will never change.

However Judaism is a different issue - it is blatantly anti-Christ same as Jesus said.

As for being pro-Israel - while not a perfect nation it is fostering Godly principles more than many.

Its birth in 48 was from God's hand and a fulfilment of prophesy.

However the Old Covenant ceased at the Cross and salvation is through Jesus alone so we are talking about an almost totally unbelieving Nation.

There is no place for antisemitism or any racism for that matter.

 

[Hammster]

There appear to be DNA markers that have been broadly accepted as identifying the Aaron lineage. Jews named Coen or Cohen or Cohan are supposedly representative of that lineage.

I’m sure there are some that think so.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

Does converting to Judaism not require a renunciation of the Christian faith ?

I've written on that in my #37 post.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

Quite wrong on this...

I have had a deep love for the Jews for 60 years, that will never change.

I wasn't questioning your position. I was referring to the general climate of anti-semitism that's prevalent now.

However Judaism is a different issue - it is blatantly anti-Christ same as Jesus said.

I mentioned that too in my previous post #37. Remember what I said about Saul of Tarsis who was rough on the Christians before he met Jesus on the road to Damascus.

As for being pro-Israel - while not a perfect nation it is fostering Godly principles more than many.

Its birth in 48 was from God's hand and a fulfilment of prophesy.

However the Old Covenant ceased at the Cross and salvation is through Jesus alone so we are talking about an almost totally unbelieving Nation.

They aren't unbelieving in God, and they believe in the Messiah.. they just don't accept that it's Jesus at this time, but at the 7 year Tribulation, 144,000 Jews accept Jesus and become Messianic Jews. And the remainder of Jews will get a shock when they see Jesus at his return to earth, recognizing him at his Second Coming and they will mourn over their blindness against him but at that time as Paul said, All Israel shall be saved.

There is no place for antisemitism or any racism for that matter.

I agree.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

Please explain this a bit further - I would have thought that because Judaism is anti-Christ any temple initiative would be as well.

Judaism is not anti-Christ.. Christ is the Greek word for the Hebrew word Messiah. They believe in the Messiah to come who is what we Christians know as Jesus Christ. Jesus in Hebrew is Yeshua. So he's the one who saves the Jews from their sins as Jesus' foster-father Joseph was told.

A few years ago there was an elderly Jewish rabbi who wrote a letter and telling his congregation to open it some days after he died. In the letter he said in secret code that they had to solve, that the Messiah is Yeshua of the New Testament. There was an uproar in the Jewish community of course. Many denied the letter said it, but the truth did get out.

They are at this time anti-Jesus. They are anti-Christian belief but not hostile to Christians who don't try to proselytise them or make judgements against them.

There were in the days of Jesus ministry a number of high ranking Jews who accepted that Jesus was the Messiah if you recall the gospels. So they had heard the true Jewish teachings to be willing to accept him when he came.

But at that time there was also the Pharisees who had great control over what the Jewish leaders were to believe. All of that resulted in Jesus being crucified. But on the day of Pentecost Peter preached to them and many Jews received Jesus as their Messiah. For some years at the beginning of the 1st Century most believers were Jewish with a few Gentiles until God called the apostle Paul to preach to them. And here we all are now.

The traditions of the Pharisees have forbidden them to read what would set them free from that Pharisee bondage and it's false Messiah requirements that keep them from accepting Jesus as their Messiah.

Back in Joseph's day when his stepbrothers came to get food during the famine. Joseph went by an Egyptian name and he dressed and talked as one so they were blind to his true identity. Just like the Jews are blind to Jesus' identity as the Christ. Their true Messiah.
The entire event is very touching as Joseph wept over their blindness to him, so before he revealed himself to them he tested his stepbrothers to see what they thought about Benjamin, Joseph's full brother. He was an older brother concerned what they might do to him if they had thought against him as they did Joseph.
Of course, eventually Joseph revealed himself to them and so they all wept together to be reunited. He saying to them, what you meant for evil God turned it for good.. because without what they did, they would not have a way to survive the famine because God blessed Joseph even in his troubles so that the Pharaoh had put him in a high ranking position where he could strategize a way to overcome the famine for Joseph's family and for all people in Egypt and throughout the region.

For as long as they are blinded to Jesus being their true Messiah, they have a great desire to reconnect with God since AD 70.. the only way that God told them to connect with Him. That is by animal sacrifices.

We Christians are taught through the New Testament that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. But their blindness won't let them see it. They've refashioned all of the furniture needed to put in a rebuilt temple, and they've got all of the priests taught and ready to perform all duties within the temple. They believe that it's God's will, and so they wait for the right timing to put everything in place.

That time will come when the pre-ac makes a peace covenant with them then they'll waste no time but set things up speedily so they can seriously with all respect to God finally reconnect with him again, like a prodigal son returned back to the father.

God allows the Old Testament ways to be restored during the 7 year Tribulation. So that he can help and protect his covenant people through that very hard time. When the pre-ac becomes the AC and persues them to attempt to wipe them out. They run to the wilderness and remain safe during the worst time that earth will ever know. While that portion are in the wilderness, there will be 144,000 Jews who receive Jesus as their Messiah, they get sealed just as Gentile Christians do during this age of Grace.
And there will be the two anointed Witnesses. Plus Gentile Christians who get saved after the rapture of the BOC.

The gospel shall be preached in all the world, and all Israel shall be saved, then shall the end come.

I hope that something in this post helped to answer some of your questions.

 

[RDKirk]

I’m sure there are some that think so.

Probably not that difficult. I expect there is a good number of Jews today who actually can trace their lineage back to 1st century Levites "the old-school way." For a people that had been persecuted and yet had been uniquely resistant to cultural dissipation all this time, that's not at all unthinkable. Check their DNA for recurring markers, and Robert's your daddy's brother.

 

[John G.]

Jews named Coen or Cohen or Cohan are supposedly representative of that lineage.

Also German Jews named "Kahn" and Russian Jews named "Kogin".

 

[Aaron112]

God knows the name of the last person who will be saved. He's always known that name. Nothing we do will change His timetable.

He also knows, perhaps more importantly, the many reading the internet who are not saved but think they are.

 

[Aaron112]

Does converting to Judaism not require a renunciation of the Christian faith ?

The first century disciples of Jesus , most Jews, Jewish, did not renunciate the Christian faith - they did not have to deal with it ; today they likely would renounce it whether they had been or not.

 

[Aaron112]

The gospel shall be preached in all the world

Reading in Acts, in the NT, this was already done in the first century.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

Reading in Acts, in the NT, this was already done in the first century.

Rom.10:12-17
For there is no difference between Jew and Greek: The same Lord is Lord of all, and gives richly to all who call on Him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

14 How then can they call on the One in whom they have not believed? And how can they believe in the One of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone to preach? 15 And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”

16 But not all of them welcomed the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?” 17 Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Reading in Acts, in the NT, this was already done in the first century.

Every tribe, nation and tongue...

1500 languages in New Guinea alone - that didn't happen back then...

 

[Aaron112]

• Acts 2:5: God-fearing Jews from “every nation under heaven” were dwelling in Jerusalem (NKJV).
• Acts 2:5-11: The miracle at Pentecost, where devout men from “every nation under heaven” heard the disciples speak in their own languages,

 

[RDKirk]

• Acts 2:5: God-fearing Jews from “every nation under heaven” were dwelling in Jerusalem (NKJV).
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• Acts 2:5-11: The miracle at Pentecost, where devout men from “every nation under heaven” heard the disciples speak in their own languages,

The Mayas? Polynesians? How come missionaries continued to find people who hadn't heard of God right up to the latter 20th century?

I think what you miss is that those verses spoke specifically of Jews and "every nation" means "every nation that has Jews."

 

[Hammster]

Every tribe, nation and tongue...

1500 languages in New Guinea alone - that didn't happen back then...

It did of you understand how they understood nations.

 

[Carl Emerson]

It did of you understand how they understood nations.

The verse quotes Nations and tongues or languages.

Revelation 7:9
After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all the tribes, peoples, and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm