The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

[SabbathBlessings]

What commandments, statutes, and laws?

When God defines HIS commandments, it doesn't change later in Scripture because they belong to Him. Its God's Testimony, man is not greater than God. God does not need our help in defining or re-defining what He said plainly is His.

 

[Carl Emerson]

God said everything was created in our world a long time ago Gen 2:1-3, so not sure what you're referring to.

Genesis 2:2
By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.

Do you think He is still resting on the 'seventh day' ?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Genesis 2:2
By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.

Do you think He is still resting on the 'seventh day' ?

Since God didn't reveal this, I would be less worried about what God is doing right now, because we are not God, and more concerned what God asks of us. That's me though.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Since God didn't reveal this, I would be less worried about what God is doing right now, because we are not God, and more concerned what God asks of us. That's me though.

Well - He does invite sharing with Him in His Sabbath Rest. This would seem to indicate He is still resting.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Well - He does invite sharing with Him in His Sabbath Rest. This would seem to indicate He is still resting.

It doesn't say we enter His Sabbath rest, it says His rest. His rest is free of sin and rebellion so one would Also be ceasing from their works as God did Heb4:10 on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:11 or in other words those who have entered His rest would be keeping the 4th commandment. Why God spoke of the seventh day in this way Heb 4:4 Exo20:8-11

 

[Carl Emerson]

It doesn't say we enter His Sabbath rest, it says His rest.

Hebrews 4:8-10​

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8 For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. ​

9 Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. ​

10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.​

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Hebrews 4:8-10​

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8 For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. ​

9 Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. ​

10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.​

Yes, the Sabbath rest remains for the people of God, the Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke23:56 why this verse literally translates into keeping the Sabbath that remains for God's people it doesn't say we enter His Sabbath rest. There are two different rests in this entire passage not one. Verse 10 clearly shows these two rests those who has entered His rest has himself ALSO, which means they are doing something in ADDITION and it tells us those who have entered ALSO rest from his works as God did from His, on the seventh day Heb4:4

It doesn't say we enter His Sabbath rest anywhere in this passage, Most of the passage is quoting OT why Joshua David are mentioned and where God spoke of the seventh day in this way etc. Heb4:4 referring to the 4th commandment. Exo20:8-11

 

[Carl Emerson]

Luke 23:56 was before the resurrection and the birth of the Body of Christ.

Of course they followed the Old Covenant at this time - it was all they knew.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Luke 23:56 was before the resurrection and the birth of the Body of Christ.

Of course they followed the Old Covenant at this time - it was all they knew.

Jesus died on Friday, His blood ratified His covenant. It Is Finished, nothing can be added to His covenant without Him sacrificing Himself all over again, but His sacrifice was once and for all Heb10:10 The faithful disciples of Christ who followed Him everywhere, still kept the Sabbath after His death according to the commandment. They were the first people to see Jesus after His rose from the dead, He never told them they no longer needed to keep the Sabbath. He already indicated His people would be keeping the Sabbath long after His death and at His second coming Mat24:20 and forever Isaiah66:23. Not keeping God’s 4th commandment is a man-made idea, not coming from God. Something He did warn us about through Dan7:;25

 

[Carl Emerson]

it doesn't say we enter His Sabbath rest.

Really...

Let the reader decide...
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The Believer’s Rest​

Hebrews 4
1 Therefore, we must fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.
2 For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also did; but the word they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united with those who listened with faith.
3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said,

“As I swore in My anger,
They certainly shall not enter My rest,”
although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this passage, “They certainly shall not enter My rest.”
6 Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,
7 He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before,

“Today if you hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.
9 Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.
11 Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same example of disobedience.
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Sorry but the clear reading of the text must trump any human theology.

Double Blessings and have a great day.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Really...

Let the reader decide...
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The Believer’s Rest​

4 Therefore, we must fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also did; but the word they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united with those who listened with faith. 3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said,

“As I swore in My anger,
They certainly shall not enter My rest,”
although His works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this passage, “They certainly shall not enter My rest.” 6 Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience, 7 He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before,

“Today if you hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. 9 Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. 11 Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same example of disobedience.
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Sorry but the clear reading of the text must trump any human theology.

Double Blessings and have a great day.

Still doesn’t say we enter His Sabbath rest, it says clearly there remains, not changed a Sabbath rest for God’s people, and the Greek word in this verse literally means keeping the Sabbath, what God called His people to do Exo20:8-11 Heb4:4. The other rests in this passage that we enter through faith is not the Sabbath and look up every Greek word to see for yourself, it has nothing to do with the Sabbath. One would have to be familiar with the OT to understand this passage as it’s what it references at least three different times. Since it’s mainly what it’s mainly quoting OT. God has always had more than one rest from the beginning and I can show that to you from the book of Exodus. This passage is not saying one rest deletes the other, they work only in tandem.

We still need to get past the two rest clearly mentioned in Verse 10 and why verse 4 is quoting the 4th commandment, which those who have entered into Christ rest, also cease from their works as God did on the seventh day. Heb4:4 why the Sabbath rest remains, not changed for God’s people, because God’s people keep God’s commandments Rev14:12, the way God said, because He is God and we are called to be His faithful servants Isa56:6

 

[Carl Emerson]

What do others think ?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

What do others think ?

If you are looking for the popular vote, you will have it.

If looking for God’s Truth Psa119:151, you might need to keep digging and prayerfully study more and realize that it doesn’t say we do not need to keep the 4th commandment anywhere in this passage, it was written decades after the Cross, Jesus would have to die all over again to make a change to His covenant. He already promised He would not alter His words Psa89:34 Mat5:18 God tells us what we need to know from His own mouth, but the same warning in Hebrews 4, still continues on. Heb 4:6-7 Heb3:7-13 Psa95:7-13 Heb4:11

Guess all gets sorted out soon enough.

 

[DamianWarS]

Him saying they were innocent is commenting on the act, that they were not guilty of the accusation of the Pharisees because its not a sin to eat on the Sabbath, never was. No need to draw our own conclusions Jesus made is quite clear. Why we are told Pro3:5-6

I'm drawing conclusions based on the text. We can view the innocent remark to modify what the pharaisees said that picking grain is unlawful or we can view it to to modify what Christ said that he has authority to do so. Since Christ makes no direct comments regarding if the act is lawful or not and sticks to remarks regarding authory this would suggest the context of the innocence is because of the authority. I make no claim on if the act is lawful or not, just that the context seems to be regarding authority.

Sabbath being too high of a standard to keep into these verses so therefore we do not have to keep, is a bad idea. The Sabbath can be kept, just like the other 9 if we love Jesus and cooperate with the Spirit. John14:15-18 The Sabbath wasn't mentioned in these verses, money was and Jesus said even rich people can be saved because....you missed the solution in the next verse and it wasn't Jesus lowering His standard or changing one of His commandment's



Mat 19: 24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”

26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Money is not the issue, its the love of money that is, when we place it above God.

I didn't say because the law is too high to keep we don't have to keep it. My point is that Jesus has accomplished the law and through him we may receive that same accomplishment thus law is kept (in every aspect) and this is something we cannot do oourselves (nor is it something we can deny)

Keeping Sabbath according to the 4th commandment requires probably a lot more than most are willing to do. For example we get electricity from a labour powered system (same with all utilities) and if our use is nonessential then we are entering into an agreement to exchange money for a nonessential service which is labour powered and is unlawful on the Sabbath.

There is a hamster wheel connected to all these things we utilize day after day, and just because we don't see it doesn't mean it's not there. If all Christians were to go off the grid on the Sabbath it would have a significant impact on the demand which would translate to a reduced workforce for that day. Even if the few won't have an impact the same can be said for any labour force on the Sabbath too and certainly is no reason to ignore it.

This is the same with driving. Simply by using our vehicle on public roadways we become part of a system that require constant road services police/fire/ambulance/tow/etc.... If the driving is nonessential than we are contributing to this demand unlawfully.

No one wants to be that person to actually call out what the Sabbath law is in a modern context but if participation in a system that contributes to a demand of Labour/money exchange for that day and it is nonessential we are fooling ourselves if we think it is lawful according to the 4th.

So who keeps the Sabbath? I doupt the list is very long (I certainly don't based on the standard of the 4th) and it would take unique individuals to do it. This doesn't mean I ignore the Sabbath, it just means that Christ has accomplished the work I am unable to and through him I too can accomplish the work.

Not by letter but by logic the Sabbath points to not just work in the classical sense but our beating hearts and the breath we take too. Christ rested even these things on the Sabbath so we get to participate in the Sabbath on levels that are not possible all through Christ.

Like I said previously I am not big on personal philosophies, I think if we stick with the Bible and what God said and Jesus did as our example and not deviate from that as we are told Isa8:20 we will be just fine.

Take care

This personal philosophies card is unsubstantiated and is being used as an ad hominem attack. I've walked you through how it's biblical rooted. Reducing it to personal philosophy without breaking that down is a failure to reply on a critical level and has more harm on your position. Sure don't accept it, but that doesn't give you the right to say I just made it up or am not committed to biblically grounded doctrine. I take scripture very seriously, comments like this reduce it to things I've made up and it is hurtful. Please be more mindful that you're speaking with other believers who love God as much as you do even if we don't understand scripture the same way.

 

[Carl Emerson]

If you are looking for the popular vote, you will have it.

If looking for God’s Truth Psa119:151, you might need to keep digging and prayerfully study more and realize that it doesn’t say we do not need to keep the 4th commandment anywhere in this passage, it was written decades after the Cross, Jesus would have to die all over again to make a change to His covenant. He already promised He would not alter His words Psa89:34 Mat5:18 God tells us what we need to know from His own mouth, but the same warning in Hebrews 4, still continues on. Heb 4:6-7 Heb3:7-13 Psa95:7-13 Heb4:11

Guess all gets sorted out soon enough.

The minority are not always right...

 

[HIM]

Yes, Mathew 24 is the only place these predictions are in chronological order. Dan/Rev etc are formatted in repeat and enlarge.

Indeed, and Happy Sabbath!

It is a shame that we get lost in details and dogma and fail to see the full picture.

Yes and will continue on...


Isa 66:22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

I can't imagine what it will be like to worship before Christ on the Sabbath. He tells us people will still do things during the week Isa 65:21 They shall build houses and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.

As it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

The Sabbath continues for worship but now instead of in spirit, everyone will come before Him.

And rest, which many fail to do.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The minority are not always right...

When you look at every OT reference it speaks of in Hebrews 4 at least 4 times, 4 different passages and read every Greek word, than compare it to what God said out of His mouth, which for me, is what we go by the Master over the servant, one could not come to the conclusion most do who just surface read this passage. It’s not an easy passage to understand because it has so many OT references in a short amount of verses, that sadly many never go to these reference and just apply it to what they want not what it is actually referring to and means. The Bible defines itself, so we do not have to lean on our own understanding. Theres always been more than one rest in Scripture even in the OT, it doesn’t mean it starts deleting God’s commandments, especially ones written by God Himself that He promised He would not alter. It’s God’s Testimony Exo31:18, what the whole bible is about. John5:39 so no Scripture can speak against His Testimony Isa8:20 and it doesn’t if read in context. His word is settled in Heaven Psa119:89 where His Testimony is Rev15:5 Rev 11:19

As far as God is concerned He says His people are a remenant (small remainder of the original) and what those people do

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 Here is the [a]patience of the saints; here[b] are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

God will be the one deciding, I personally would not want to follow those who came before us who did not enter His rest due to disobedience, because not hearing the voice of the Holy Spirit Heb4:7 Heb 3:7-13 Psa95:7-13 calling us away from a harden heart because of unbelief which is disobedience rebellion and sin Heb4:6 Eze20:13 Heb3:7-19. Sadly what the passage is warning us about, but many miss. Heb4:11. when we are in harmony with God and His will and are forsaking our sins Pro28:13 , turning to Christ because of love John14:15-18, not sinning we are resting in Christ, those who have entered His rest Also, means they did something in addition, they also cease from their works as God did from Him, which plainly states the seventh day Heb4:4 why He spoke of the seventh day in this way, referring back to the Sabbath commandment Heb4:4 Exo20:1 Exo20:8-11 why a Sabbath rest (keeping the Sabbath) remains for the people of God, because God’s people keep God’s commandments, His version, because He is our God and we are to be His servants Isa56:6 God does not want us to work ourselves to death, we need physical rest from work Exo20:9-10, so we can experience the spiritual rest He wants to give us on the only day in all of the Bible He sanctified for holy use Exo20:11 Gen2:3 and keeping is a sign of His sanctification Eze20:12 only God can sanctify a day and only God can sanctify us. We need Him for everything Eze20:20 .

 

[HIM]

No it is what is written. 3 questions were asked in verse 3, when shall these things be in regard to the destruction of the Temple. When shall be the sign of Jesus' coming and when shall be the end of the world. What follows is an answer to all three. The audience is any and all throughout the ages until He comes in His glory. How do we know?

Because Grammatically speaking the context is continuous from verse 1 to at least 31 when it speaks of Christ coming with His angels to gather the elect at the end of this world.

How do we know? By His use of words like and, but, then, when wherefore, and so forth. These words connect what is about to be said to what is already said. And they are in the Greek also. So that means up to Christ's coming in the clouds of glory with His angels he expects His followers to still be keeping the Sabbath.


Matt 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to [him] for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Matt 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Matt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Matt 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Matt 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Matt 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Matt 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Matt 24:8 All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.
Matt 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Matt 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Matt 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Matt 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Matt 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Matt 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Matt 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Matt 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Matt 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Matt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not.
Matt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matt 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Matt 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not.
Matt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matt 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

You are stuck in English grammar. Everything reads continuous because it is based on the original writings.The original writing did not contain chapter numbers or even verse numbers. It was written as a scroll. Chapter numbers and verse numbers were added later. lets look at the verses.

It reads the same in the Greek. You might not want to go down this road my friend. The Greek is what led me to share this.

And yet, your Greek did not prompt you to address my post. Every one has an interlinear these days.

You might want to look at it then.

So make your case.

The case was made in the post above that said, "it reads the same in the Greek".
It is your job to prove it doesn't. You yet to do that. You seem to think any answer is the correct one. The lack of depth and unwillingness to put the time in to actually address anything seems to be the norm here.
Sadly, in this case if you had put the time in to look you would have seen what was posted was true and you would have either liked the post or moved on silently in intellectual dishonesty holding onto the false interpretation that you started with.

Be that as it may, you asked so here is the an Interlinear. We went ahead and put a bold emphasis on the words to which you question in respect to whether they were in the Greek. Beside each word is it's translation, it being a Interlinear. If you like we can talk of the grammar and syntax. But it really isn't necessary.

One can clearly see the context is uninterrupted.
Because Grammatically speaking the context is continuous from verse 1 to at least 31 when it speaks of Christ coming with His angels to gather the elect at the end of this world.

How do we know? By His use of words like and, but, then, when wherefore, and so forth. These words connect what is about to be said to what is already said as was already stated to you above. And yes they are in the Greek and are for the most part translated correctly in most of our English translations.

So that means up to Christ's coming in the clouds of glory with His angels Jesus expected His followers to still be keeping the Sabbath. Because no one to whom He was speaking to is alive today to be alive at the time of the tribulation that is not like any before. This tribulation has not happened yet. How do we know?

Because Jesus said Immediately after this tribulation that is shortened so the Elect are preserved, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (vs.29-31)

Matt 24:2 ὁ δὲ But Ἰησοῦς Jesus εἶπεν Said αὐτοῖς To Them, Οὐ βλέπετε See Ye Not πάντα All ταῦτα These Things? ἀμὴν Verily λέγω I Say ὑμῖν To You, οὐ μὴ Not At All ἀφεθῇ Shall Be Left ὧδε Here λίθος Stone ἐπὶ Upon λίθον Stone ὃς οὐ μὴ Which καταλυθήσεται Shall Not Be Thrown Down.
Matt 24:3 Καθημένου δὲ And As Was Sitting αὐτοῦ He ἐπὶ Upon τοῦ The Ὄρους Mount τῶν Ἐλαιῶν Of Olives προσῆλθον Came To αὐτῷ Him οἱ The μαθηταὶ κατ' Disciples ἰδίαν Apart, λέγοντες Saying, Εἰπὲ Tell ἡμῖν Us, πότε When ταῦτα These Things ἔσται Shall Be? καὶ And τί What 'Is' τὸ The σημεῖον Sign τῆς σῆς Of Thy παρουσίας Coming καὶ And τῆς Of The συντελείας Completion τοῦ Of The αἰῶνος Age?
Matt 24:4 καὶ And ἀποκριθεὶς Answering ὁ Ἰησοῦς Jesus εἶπεν Said αὐτοῖς To Them, Βλέπετε Take Heed, μή Lest τις Any One ὑμᾶς You πλανήσῃ· Mislead.
Matt 24:5 πολλοὶ γὰρ For Many ἐλεύσονται Will Come ἐπὶ In τῷ ὀνόματί μου My Name, λέγοντες, Saying, Ἐγώ I εἰμι Am ὁ The Χριστός, Christ; καὶ And πολλοὺς Many πλανήσουσιν They Will Mislead.
Matt 24:6 μελλήσετε δὲ But Ye Shall Be About ἀκούειν To Hear Of πολέμους Wars καὶ And ἀκοὰς Rumours πολέμων· Of Wars. ὁρᾶτε μὴ See, θροεῖσθε· Be Not Disturbed; δεῖ γὰρ For It Is Necessary All 'These' πάντα Things γενέσθαι To Take Place, ἀλλ' But οὔπω Not Yet ἐστὶν Is τὸ The τέλος End.
Matt 24:7 ἐγερθήσεται γὰρ For Shall Rise Up ἔθνος Nation ἐπὶ Against ἔθνος Nation καὶ And βασιλεία Kingdom ἐπὶ Against βασιλείαν Kingdom; καὶ And ἔσονται There Shall Be λιμοὶ Famines καὶ And λοιμοί Pestilences καὶ And σεισμοὶ Earthquakes κατὰ In 'Different' τόπους· Places.
Matt 24:8 πάντα δὲ But All ταῦτα These 'Are' ἀρχὴ A Beginning ὠδίνων Of Throes.
Matt 24:9 τότε Then παραδώσουσιν Will They Deliver Up ὑμᾶς You εἰς To θλῖψιν Tribulation, καὶ And ἀποκτενοῦσιν Will Kill ὑμᾶς You; καὶ And ἔσεσθε Ye Will Be μισούμενοι Hated ὑπὸ By πάντων All τῶν The ἐθνῶν Nations διὰ On Account Of τὸ ὄνομά μου My Name.
Matt 24:10 καὶ And τότε Then σκανδαλισθήσονται Will Be Offended πολλοὶ Many, καὶ And ἀλλήλους One Another παραδώσουσιν They Will Deliver Up καὶ And μισήσουσιν Will Hate ἀλλήλους· One Another;
Matt 24:11 καὶ And πολλοὶ Many ψευδοπροφῆται False Prophets ἐγερθήσονται Will Arise, καὶ And πλανήσουσιν Will Mislead πολλούς· Many;
Matt 24:12 καὶ And διὰ Because τὸ πληθυνθῆναι Shall Have Been Multiplied τὴν ἀνομίαν Lawlessness, ψυγήσεται Will Grow Cold ἡ The ἀγάπη Love τῶν Of The πολλῶν Many;
Matt 24:13 ὁ δὲ But He Who ὑπομείνας Endures εἰς To 'The' τέλος End οὗτος He σωθήσεται Shall Be Saved.
Matt 24:14 καὶ And κηρυχθήσεται There Shall Be Proclaimed τοῦτο These τὸ εὐαγγέλιον Glad Tidings τῆς Of The βασιλείας Kingdom ἐν In ὅλῃ All τῇ The οἰκουμένῃ Habitable Earth, εἰς For μαρτύριον A Testimony πᾶσιν To All τοῖς The ἔθνεσιν Nations; καὶ And τότε Then ἥξει Shall Come τὸ The τέλος End.
Matt 24:15 Ὅταν When οὖν Therefore ἴδητε Ye Shall See τὸ The βδέλυγμα Abomination τῆς ἐρημώσεως Of Desolation, τὸ Which ῥηθὲν Was Spoken Of διὰ By Δανιὴλ Daniel τοῦ The προφήτου Prophet, ἑστὸς Standing ἐν In 'The' τόπῳ Place ἁγίῳ Holy ὁ he Who ἀναγινώσκων Reads νοείτω Let Him Understand,
Matt 24:16 τότε Then οἱ Those ἐν In τῇ Ἰουδαίᾳ Judea φευγέτωσαν Let Them Flee ἐπί To τὰ The ὄρη Mountains;
Matt 24:17 ὁ He ἐπὶ On τοῦ The δώματος μὴ Housetop καταβαινέτω Let Him Not Come Down ἆραι To Take τι Anything ἐκ Out Of τῆς οἰκίας αὐτοῦ His
House;
Matt 24:18 καὶ And ὁ He ἐν In τῷ The ἀγρῷ μὴ Field ἐπιστρεψάτω Let Him Not Return ὀπίσω Back ἆραι To Take τὰ ἱμάτια Garments αὐτοῦ His.
Matt 24:19 οὐαὶ δὲ But Woe ταῖς ἐν To Those That γαστρὶ ἐχούσαις Are With Child καὶ And ταῖς To Those That θηλαζούσαις Give Suck ἐν In ἐκείναις Those ταῖς ἡμέραις Days.
Matt 24:20 προσεύχεσθε δὲ And (But) Pray ἵνα μὴ That γένηται May Not Be ἡ φυγὴ ὑμῶν Your Flight χειμῶνος In Winter, μηδὲ Nor ἐν On σαββάτῳ Sabbath :
Matt 24:21 ἔσται γὰρ For There Shall Be τότε Then θλῖψις Tribulation μεγάλη Great οἵα Such As οὐ Not γέγονεν Has Been ἀπ' From 'The' ἀρχῆς Beginning κόσμου Of 'The' World ἕως Until τοῦ νῦν Now, οὐδ No, οὐ μὴ Nor Ever γένηται Shall Be;
Matt 24:22 καὶ And εἰ μὴ Unless ἐκολοβώθησαν Had Been Shortened αἱ ἡμέραι ἐκεῖναι Those Days, οὐκ ἂν Not ἐσώθη There Would Have Been Saved πᾶσα Any σάρξ· Flesh, διὰ δὲ But On Account Of τοὺς The ἐκλεκτοὺς Elect κολοβωθήσονται Shall Be Shortened αἱ ἡμέραι ἐκεῖναι Those Days.
Matt 24:23 τότε Then ἐάν If τις Anyone ὑμῖν To You εἴπῃ Say, Ἰδού, Behold, ὧδε Here 'Is' ὁ The Χριστός, Christ, ἤ, Or Ὧδε, μὴ Here, πιστεύσητε· Believe 'It' Not.
Matt 24:24 ἐγερθήσονται There Will Arise γὰρ For ψευδόχριστοι False Christs καὶ And ψευδοπροφῆται False Prophets, καὶ And δώσουσιν Will Give σημεῖα Signs μεγάλα Great καὶ And τέρατα Wonders, ὥστε So As πλανῆσαι, To Mislead, εἰ If δυνατόν, Possible, καὶ Even τοὺς The ἐκλεκτούς· Elect.
Matt 24:25 ἰδού, Lo, προείρηκα I Have Foretold 'It' ὑμῖν To You.
Matt 24:26 ἐὰν If οὖν Therefore εἴπωσιν They Say ὑμῖν To You, Ἰδού, Behold, ἐν In τῇ The ἐρήμῳ Wilderness ἐστίν, μὴ He Is, ἐξέλθητε· Go Not Forth : Ἰδού, Behold, 'He Is' ἐν In τοῖς The ταμείοις μὴ Chambers, πιστεύσητε· Believe 'It' Not.
Matt 24:27 ὥσπερ γὰρ For As ἡ The ἀστραπὴ Lightning ἐξέρχεται Comes Forth ἀπὸ From 'The' ἀνατολῶν East καὶ And φαίνεται Appears ἕως As Far As 'The' δυσμῶν West, οὕτως So ἔσται Shall Be καὶ Also ἡ The παρουσία Coming τοῦ Of The υἱοῦ Son τοῦ ἀνθρώπου· Of Man.
Matt 24:28 ὅπου γὰρ ἐὰν For Wherever ᾖ May Be τὸ The πτῶμα Carcase, ἐκεῖ There συναχθήσονται Will Be Gathered Together οἱ The ἀετοί Eagles.
Matt 24:29 Εὐθέως Immediately δὲ But μετὰ After τὴν The θλῖψιν Tribulation τῶν ἡμερῶν ἐκείνων Of Those Days ὁ The ἥλιος Sun σκοτισθήσεται Shall Be Darkened, καὶ And ἡ The σελήνη Moon οὐ δώσει Shall Not Give τὸ φέγγος αὐτῆς Her Light, καὶ And οἱ The ἀστέρες Stars πεσοῦνται Shall Fall ἀπὸ From τοῦ The οὐρανοῦ Heaven, καὶ And αἱ The δυνάμεις Powers τῶν Of The οὐρανῶν Heavens σαλευθήσονται Shall Be Shaken.
Matt 24:30 καὶ And τότε Then φανήσεται Shall Appear τὸ The σημεῖον Sign τοῦ Of The υἱοῦ Son τοῦ ἀνθρώπου Of Man ἐν In τῷ The οὐρανῷ Heaven; καὶ And τότε Then κόψονται Shall Wail πᾶσαι All αἱ The φυλαὶ Tribes τῆς Of The γῆς Land, καὶ And ὄψονται They Shall See τὸν The υἱὸν Son τοῦ ἀνθρώπου Of Man, ἐρχόμενον Coming ἐπὶ On τῶν The νεφελῶν Clouds τοῦ οὐρανοῦ Of Heaven μετὰ With δυνάμεως Power καὶ And δόξης Glory πολλῆς· Great.
Matt 24:31 καὶ And ἀποστελεῖ He Shall Send τοὺς ἀγγέλους Angels αὐτοῦ His μετὰ With σάλπιγγος Of A Trumpet φωνῆς Sound μεγάλης Great, καὶ And ἐπισυνάξουσιν They Shall Gather Together τοὺς ἐκλεκτοὺς αὐτοῦ His Elect ἐκ From τῶν The τεσσάρων Four ἀνέμων Winds, ἀπ' From 'The' ἄκρων Extremities οὐρανῶν Of 'The' Heavens ἕως To 'The' ἄκρων Extremities αὐτῶν Of Them.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Since God didn't reveal this, I would be less worried about what God is doing right now, because we are not God, and more concerned what God asks of us. That's me though.

My bad, I was tired yesterday, God does reveal what He is doing right now...

He's ruling over all Creation
Psa 103:19 “The LORD has established His throne in heaven, and His kingdom rules over all.”
Dan 4:35 He does according to His will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth.”
Mat 28:1818 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

He's sustaining the Universe
Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. 17 All things were created through Him and for Him.
And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

Heb1:3 Who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high

He is transforming people through Christ
2 Cor5:19 That is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation

The Holy Spirit Is Dwelling in Believers
1 Cor 3:16 “Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
Romans 8:26 “Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.”

Christ is interceding in Heaven as our High Priest

Heb 8:1Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.

Romans 8:34 “Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.”
Heb 7:25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them

Judgement is being prepared and final ruling

Which is what I believe we are in right now...

Heb 9:11-12 “But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation.
Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.”

Rev 14:6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

What is in the Most Holy Place that we are told we will be Judged by, why it sits under His mercy seat? Exo 25:21 God's Testimony Exo31:18

Exo 26:34 You shall put the mercy seat upon the ark of the Testimony in the Most Holy.

Rev 15:5 After these things I looked, and behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened.

Why this is revealed at the Last Trumpet before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

Rev 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

The earthy temple was always a miniature of God's heavenly Temple Heb8:1-5

Exo 25:21 You shall put the mercy seat on top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the Testimony that I will give you. 22 And there I will meet with you, and I will speak with you from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are on the ark of the Testimony, about everything which I will give you in commandment to the children of Israel.

Which His Testimony is the Ten Commandments

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone

What Law we are Judged by
John 12:48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying: (Exo20:1-17)

James 2:11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

We are judged by the perfect law of God, as revealed in His Word, demonstrated in our actions, and made real through faith in Jesus Christ- who alone can declare us righteous.

 

[Studyman]

OK some satire there in my previous post, but really - if we gather to worship on one day or another does it really matter ?

This is the question that all men must answer. And as it turns out, your post doesn't represent the first time it was asked. Lets go through some of the examples of folks God chose to have written about, that asked and answered the exact same question.

The first example God showed us was in the very beginning. God placed Adam and Eve into a garden full of trees, and told them they could eat of them all but one.

But Eve posed your question, "Does it really matter what tree we eat from, even though God told me it does"?

"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

As it turned out, it didn't matter at all to Eve, but it certainly did to God.

And again;

Gen. 19: 16 And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city. 17 And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.

But Lot's wife thought to herself, "does it really matter if I look back or not", even though God's messengers said not to"?

26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.

As it turned out, it didn't matter to Lot's Wife, but it certainly did to God.

And again;

1 Kings 13: 7 And the king said unto the man of God, Come home with me, and refresh thyself, and I will give thee a reward. 8 And the man of God said unto the king, If thou wilt give me half thine house, I will not go in with thee, neither will I eat bread nor drink water in this place: 9 For so was it charged me "by the word of the LORD", saying, Eat no bread, nor drink water, nor turn again by the same way that thou camest.

But a false prophet convinced him to consider in his heart, "Does it really matter if I eat or drink water or turn again by the same way", even though God told me not to?

18 He said unto him, I am a prophet also as thou art; and an angel spake unto me by the word of the LORD, saying, Bring him back with thee into thine house, that he may eat bread and drink water. But he lied unto him. 19 So he went back with him, and "did" eat bread in his house, and drank water.

24 And when he was gone, a lion met him by the way, and slew him: and his carcase was cast in the way, and the ass stood by it, the lion also stood by the carcase.

As it turned out, even though the Prophet was convinced it really didn't matter if he obeyed God or not, it certainly mattered to God.

And again;

2 Kings 5: 1 Now Naaman, captain of the host of the king of Syria, was a great man with his master, and honourable, because by him the LORD had given deliverance unto Syria: he was also a mighty man in valour, but he was a leper.

10 And Elisha sent a messenger unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean.

But Naaman said in his heart, "Does it really matter what river I wash in, even though the messenger of the Lord said to wash in the Jordan?

11But Naaman was wroth, and went away, and said, Behold, I thought, He will surely come out to me, and stand, and call on the name of the LORD his God, and strike his hand over the place, and recover the leper.

12 Are not Abana and Pharpar, rivers of Damascus, better than all the waters of Israel? may I not wash in them, and be clean? So he turned and went away in a rage.

But there were folks who cared for him, and they reasoned with him, and persuaded him that it really does matter to God whether or not we follow His Instruction.

14 Then went he down, and dipped himself seven times in Jordan, according to the saying of the man of God: and his flesh came again like unto the flesh of a little child, and he was clean.

I could go on and on because you are not the first man to consider in his heart, "Does it really matter if I honor God as being worthy of my obedience"? The bible is full of examples of this very thing.

And in every example given by God in His Holy Scriptures that Paul said were trustworthy "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works", it certainly did matter to God.

Why then would Jesus tell men to live by Every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God, if it no longer "matters to Him" if we believe Him?