The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

Xeno.of.athens · Apr 18, 2025

ARBITER01 said:
Jesus is to be Lord in our hearts, not any denomination.

The Church is not one among hundreds or thousands of Protestant denominations. Let's keep terms where they belong denominations are a protestant thing.

ARBITER01 · Apr 18, 2025

Xeno.of.athens said:
The Church is not one among hundreds or thousands of Protestant denominations. Let's keep terms where they belong denominations are a protestant thing.

Sorry, I don't consider your denomination anymore than just that.

Xeno.of.athens · Apr 18, 2025

ARBITER01 said:
Sorry, I don't consider your denomination anymore than just that.

That's fine with me. ;-)

Fisherking · Apr 19, 2025

JesusFollowerForever said:
The New Covenant is the fulfillment of God’s promises, established through the work of Jesus Christ.

Covenant = Agreement, when was that Agreement? With Abraham, if the covenant was n9t by the PROMISE then how did Abraham, Daniel, and all the faithful Jews get into heaven? IIt was accounted as Rightepusness unto Abraham because HE BELEIVED, its just that simple, he knew God would was his sins away by FAITH ALONE, in the Promised Seed.

Remember few make heaven, MANY are not going to make it to heaven, thus the blood of the Redeemer has n power to renew those who refuse to BELIEVE God. We overcomplicate this, yes Jesus' blood redeems us but ONLY VIA FAITH.

JesusFollowerForever · Apr 19, 2025

Fisherking said:
Covenant = Agreement, when was that Agreement? With Abraham, if the covenant was n9t by the PROMISE then how did Abraham, Daniel, and all the faithful Jews get into heaven? IIt was accounted as Rightepusness unto Abraham because HE BELEIVED, its just that simple, he knew God would was his sins away by FAITH ALONE, in the Promised Seed.

There were many covenants in the old testament, the O.P. is about the old and new covenant, not the covenant with Abraham.

Fisherking said:
Remember few make heaven, MANY are not going to make it to heaven, thus the blood of the Redeemer has n power to renew those who refuse to BELIEVE God. We overcomplicate this, yes Jesus' blood redeems us but ONLY VIA FAITH.

True,not many will make it to heaven, Christ was clear about it.
When Jesus said in John 3:16, “whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life,” He did not mean that just saying we believe in Him with our mouths or agreeing in our minds is enough. The word “believe” as Jesus used it means to trust, follow, and obey. It is not a one-time thought, but a way of life. Jesus Himself made this clear in many other places. He said that not everyone who calls Him “Lord” will enter the kingdom, but only those who do the will of the Father. He also asked, “Why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I say?” These words show us that real belief includes obedience. In the same chapter, John 3:36, Jesus said that the one who believes has life, but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life. This connects belief directly to action. If we believe in Him, we will live as He taught, keep His words, and bear good fruit. Jesus also said that those who love Him will keep His word, and that He and the Father will come and dwell with them. So yes, actions are required, not to earn salvation, but as the natural result of true belief. If we truly believe in Jesus, our lives will show it through obedience, love, and faithfulness to His teachings.

This understanding is confirmed by what James, the brother of Jesus, said in his letter. He wrote that faith without works is dead. He explained that if someone says they have faith but does not show it through their actions, that kind of faith cannot save them. He gave examples like helping the poor or living righteously as proof of real faith. Just as a body without breath is dead, so is faith without works. James was not teaching something new, but simply repeating what Jesus already taught, that true belief is alive and active. It moves a person to obey God, love others, and walk in righteousness. So when we say we believe in Jesus, that belief must be seen in how we live each day. If not, then the faith we claim is not real.

Blessings

Fisherking · Apr 19, 2025

JesusFollowerForever said:
There were many covenants in the old testament, the O.P. is about the old and new covenant, not the covenant with Abraham.

THATS MY POINT........it seems to not be registering with you in full brother.

There was never a NEW COVENANT, only the Promise.

Why was it called the New Covenant to people in Israel? Because via serving the law, they had clearly forgot all about the promise, all they new was the law of Moses, so unto them it was a New Covenant, but the promise was the original covenant, of a Redeemer coming to take the place of our sins. Paul tells us this in Gal. 3 but people refuse to accept it in some instances? Because it makes the whole law thesis null & void. It is what it is, God bless, happy Easter.

JesusFollowerForever · Apr 20, 2025

Fisherking said:
THATS MY POINT........it seems to not be registering with you in full brother.

There was never a NEW COVENANT, only the Promise.

Why was it called the New Covenant to people in Israel? Because via serving the law, they had clearly forgot all about the promise, all they new was the law of Moses, so unto them it was a New Covenant, but the promise was the original covenant, of a Redeemer coming to take the place of our sins. Paul tells us this in Gal. 3 but people refuse to accept it in some instances? Because it makes the whole law thesis null & void. It is what it is, God bless, happy Easter.

Sorry but I disagree with your conclusion for GAL3. They are two separate covenants an both are still in application.

Fisherking · Apr 20, 2025

JesusFollowerForever said:
Sorry but I disagree with your conclusion for GAL3. They are two separate covenants an both are still in application.

So, you want to go back to "earning your way to heaven" via the law? Makes no sense at all.

SabbathBlessings · Apr 20, 2025

Fisherking said:
So, you want to go back to "earning your way to heaven" via the law? Makes no sense at all.

Jesus said, if you love Me, keep My commandments. It makes no sense if we love Him, why we wouldn't obey him.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Jesus asks for so little and gives us everything, so I find it odd so many professed Christian objects to what Jesus asks.

JesusFollowerForever · Apr 20, 2025

Fisherking said:
So, you want to go back to "earning your way to heaven" via the law? Makes no sense at all.

never what I said, I am sorry you think this.

ARBITER01 · Apr 20, 2025

JesusFollowerForever said:
Sorry but I disagree with your conclusion for GAL3. They are two separate covenants an both are still in application.

How much application do you think the Old Covenant has nowadays?

Personally, scripture does say it is near extinction, but also I don't think GOD is looking back, especially not after what His Son accomplished on the cross.

Fisherking · Apr 21, 2025

ARBITER01 said:
How much application do you think the Old Covenant has nowadays?

Personally, scripture does say it is near extinction, but also I don't think GOD is looking back, especially not after what His Son accomplished on the cross.

The law was given not only because of sin, but for God to show mankind nothing we can do is worthy of redemption, we are all as filthy rags, thus no law can be kept, thus we are under grace, and we are born again of the spirit. Anyone still trying to keep the law is trying to earn hos way to heaven, we are supposed to hear the holy spirit and take his guidance. Its that simple, people make it complex.

If you ever see a Christian who wants to keep the Sabbath as Saturday, and doesn't understand EVERY DAY we are at rest in Christ, and thus with the holy spirt living in us every day has to be separated unto the Lord, not just one day.

pasifika · Apr 21, 2025

Hi everyone, the old covenant is not for the faithful Believers. Old covenant is Not the same as the New covenant.

JesusFollowerForever · Apr 21, 2025

Fisherking said:
The law was given not only because of sin, but for God to show mankind nothing we can do is worthy of redemption, we are all as filthy rags, thus no law can be kept, thus we are under grace, and we are born again of the spirit. Anyone still trying to keep the law is trying to earn hos way to heaven, we are supposed to hear the holy spirit and take his guidance. Its that simple, people make it complex.

If you ever see a Christian who wants to keep the Sabbath as Saturday, and doesn't understand EVERY DAY we are at rest in Christ, and thus with the holy spirt living in us every day has to be separated unto the Lord, not just one day.

We Keep the LAW because we Love God and nothing else.

JEBofChristTheLord · Apr 21, 2025

JesusFollowerForever said:
We Keep the LAW because we Love God and nothing else.

So, how many stonings have you helped with lately? Or do you walk in violation, ignorance, or defiance of much of the LAW?

JesusFollowerForever · Apr 21, 2025

Ok,, back to square one.

The Law applicable today is the covenant, the 10 commandment ( see the O.P.)
Many of the laws added after the ten commandments cannot be followed today, also we no longer follow the letter of the law but the spirit of the law (love)
Many of these laws like the sacrificial laws cannot be used today, the penalty of death was Fulfilled by Christ on the cross, so no more stoning, the core of the LAW is Love. also it is Jesus who will judge us by his words we do not do that anymore.

I shoud have written "we keep the (COMMANDMENTS) because we Love God and nothing else."

And what about you Jeb, I would like to know , do you keep, the commandments, some of the laws of Moses? and why, that is your take on all of this?

Blessings.

ARBITER01 · Apr 21, 2025

JesusFollowerForever said:
We Keep the LAW because we Love God and nothing else.

We keep the law of Christ, we obey His commandments. Anything of the old was fulfilled by Jesus and done with. It is finished.

JesusFollowerForever · Apr 21, 2025

Many people today believe that God's commandments were abolished because they read Paul's letters in a certain way. But we must first listen to what Jesus said, because He is the one God sent to teach us truth. Jesus spoke clearly in Matthew 5:17-18:

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.”

Here, Jesus says He did not come to destroy the law. The word "fulfill" does not mean to cancel or end something. It means to live it fully, to show its true purpose. He came to complete the meaning of the law, not to take it away. We know this because He added right after: “till heaven and earth pass away… the law will not pass.” Heaven and earth are still here, so the law still stands.

Jesus continued in Matthew 5:19:

“Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

So Jesus said that keeping and teaching the commandments makes a person great in God’s kingdom. If the commandments were abolished, He would not have said this.

Later, someone asked Jesus what one must do to have eternal life. His answer was simple. In Matthew 19:17, He said:

“If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

He then listed some of the Ten Commandments to make it clear what He meant (Matthew 19:18-19).

Jesus also said in John 14:15:

“If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

He repeated this idea many times to His disciples. In John 15:10, He said:

“If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.”

Jesus followed the commandments of the Father, and He taught us to do the same. Nowhere did He say we are free to break them.

Even after His resurrection, He told His followers to teach everything He had commanded (Matthew 28:20). He did not say to cancel His teachings or the commandments.

In simple words: Jesus never said the commandments were abolished. He lived by them, taught them, and told us to keep them if we love Him. The idea that they are gone comes from misunderstanding other writings, not from Jesus Himself. If we want to follow Him, we must listen to His voice first and always.

trophy33 · Apr 21, 2025

"For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands (ἐντολῶν) and regulations (δόγμασιν)."
Eph 2:15

"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law...
So the law was our guardian until Christ came...
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."
Gal 3:23-25

I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law.
Gal 5:3
- only those who are circumcised are obligated to obey the whole law

"But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way
of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."
Rom 7:6

Fisherking · Apr 21, 2025

ARBITER01 said:
We keep the law of Christ, we obey His commandments. Anything of the old was fulfilled by Jesus and done with. It is finished.

We keep the commandments that was prophesied that would be written on our hearts. Jesus fulfilling the Law means its use was over with, he FULFILLED al the Sacrificial Laws that pointed unto the Messiah to come, he fulfilled all the laws pointing unto Sabbath keeping because now God the Holy Spirit lives in our hearts 24/7/365, and thus OUR REST is permanently in God through Jesus the Redeemer.

REMEMBER GUYS (The others here, not you)

Jesus stated all the laws could be fulfilled in only 2 laws, to love the Lord God with all of your heart AND to love your neighbor as yourself.

So, its EASY TO FOLLOW THIS, God hade Divorce, He hates Adultery, He hates lying, He hates Thievery, He hates lusting after other people things et al. The holy spirit will guide us into victory over all these bad vices when we trust in God to deliver us from these things we ourselves can not overcome, we have THE HOLY SPIRIT LIVING IN US, what is it about God living in our hearts do you guys not grasp? We KNOW what to do and what not to do because he abides in our hearts, people trying to keep every jota of the law is a wasted effort, and its a semi mockery of God the Redeemer (Jesus) great gift of grace via his atoning blood which we ARE NOT WORTHY OF !!

You guys think Paul was of Satan? A liar? REMEMBER, his calling was unto us Gentiles, he ststed EMPHATICALY, the Law was only a schoolmaster to bring us unto FAITH, once the Promised Redeemer has come we the Law is no longer needed.

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