The Sun Revolves Around The Earth: Scripture Cannot Lie

[~Anastasia~]

Whoever you are asking that question about and whomever you are asking it of is totally irrelevant to the OP.

If someone's article is presented in a discussion, I see nothing wrong with asking for the credentials of the author.

I have no opinion on this one way or another - but it's a fair question. I can't find his credentials, but he's apparently been around for a long time.

He's a Baptist preacher.

"In February, 1965, while a Pastor in Newton, Massachusetts, Rev Dr. D. A. Waite felt led of the Lord to begin THE BIBLE FOR TODAY which, at that time, consisted of a radio broadcast heard several times each week over WRIB, Providence, Rhode Island, and, for a while also, on WSOL, Tampa, Florida. On April 11, 1966, THE BIBLE FOR TODAY was duly incorporated as a nonprofit, tax exempt, religious organization under the laws of the State of New Jersey."

I found his church - it's an independent Baptist-styled church that meets in his home - Bible For Today Baptist Church.

You can read a lot about what they believe, don't believe, and do - but nowhere can I find credentials or history.

 

[Keachian]

It is relevant when the source of certain information is questionable..
I want to know where the guy did his dissertation and got his PhD...should be an easy question to answer.

here ya go;
Author D. A. Waite
ThM thesis; http://library.dts.edu/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=t31Y0miF9U/SIRSI/253560007/9
ThD thesis; http://library.dts.edu/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=Qxfga2Yivr/SIRSI/147850006/9
PhD thesis; http://purdue-primo-prod.hosted.exl...ems&frbg=&dum=true&vl(1UIStartWith0)=contains

 

[freezerman2000]

Preciate it..I still see his ideas or teachings of you will,off the wall.

 

[Keachian]

Preciate it..I still see his ideas or teachings of you will,off the wall.

Indeed, he's TR-Only and I find that that position is somewhat anachronistic and places more information into the Reformers hands than what they give themselves credit for.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

If someone's article is presented in a discussion, I see nothing wrong with asking for the credentials of the author.

I have no opinion on this one way or another - but it's a fair question. I can't find his credentials, but he's apparently been around for a long time.

He's a Baptist preacher.

"In February, 1965, while a Pastor in Newton, Massachusetts, Rev Dr. D. A. Waite felt led of the Lord to begin THE BIBLE FOR TODAY which, at that time, consisted of a radio broadcast heard several times each week over WRIB, Providence, Rhode Island, and, for a while also, on WSOL, Tampa, Florida. On April 11, 1966, THE BIBLE FOR TODAY was duly incorporated as a nonprofit, tax exempt, religious organization under the laws of the State of New Jersey."

I found his church - it's an independent Baptist-styled church that meets in his home - Bible For Today Baptist Church.

You can read a lot about what they believe, don't believe, and do - but nowhere can I find credentials or history.

So?
This thread is The Sun Revolves Around The Earth: Scripture Cannot Lie
The Scriptures cannot lie, and my OP states that the first chapter of Genesis declares a geo-centirc creation.
Care to address the OP in the fact that the Word shows the heavens were not stretched out from the earth between the divided in two waters of creation until day two of creation week, and then the sun and moon not made and set in the outstretched heavens until day 4 of creation week, and then the Creator naming the stretched out heavens "two waters" sha-mayim?
Then care to address the Word showing us in Genesis 1 that the light was not called into being until the heaven and earth were created as a piece, and the Holy Spirit brooded over the waters, and the Creator said: "Let there be light", and there was light, and the evening and the morning were [together] echad/one "Day", and the evening and morning, day and night making one day together, revolved in the heaven around the earth right from the beginning, before there was a sun....
For four days there was no sun, but the darkness called night and the morning called day circled the globe of waters on day one, then on day two the waters were cut in two halves and the "firmament/expanse" was str-----etch--ed out between the cut in two waters with the half of the waters raised above the str-----etch--ed out firmament/expanse that the Creator then named "two waters/sha-mayim", and the heavens continued to circle the earth even after they were " str-----etch--ed" out before even the sun and moon were made and set in them...
so care to address the Word's declaration of the circling of the earth of the heavens as darkness and light, before even they were str-----etch--ed out and named "heavens" or even before the sun and moon were made and set in the "str-----etch--ed" out heavens?

 

[AmericanChristian91]

So?
This thread is The Sun Revolves Around The Earth: Scripture Cannot Lie
The Scriptures cannot lie, and my OP states that the first chapter of Genesis declares a geo-centirc creation.

Genesis should be read in a different understanding of what us people think of the world from what we find in modern science.

Genesis and other areas of the bible, do support views of ancient cosmologie(s) that people along time ago had about the world (im sure if you did some googling you can find pictures of these ancient flat earth views). The person(s) writing Genesis sure did not have any understanding of a round/sphere earth that moved in space, and the believed the sun rotated around the earth, etc.

However though they believed that, does not mean we should to in light of new modern science. Though the people who wrote the Bible were inspired by God, that does not mean they have to be correct/accurate in everything they state (remember they are still human and therefore are not all knowing like God is). They did have some freedom in what to write down in the bible, and the views/culture at the time did have an influence on the bible. Though the Bible is valid when it comes to spiritual/theological things (as well as info about Jesus, how to have salvation), that does not mean it should be read as a science textbook. The Bible's lesson is not to teach ancient cosmology as being true.

 

[~Anastasia~]

So?
This thread is The Sun Revolves Around The Earth: Scripture Cannot Lie
The Scriptures cannot lie, and my OP states that the first chapter of Genesis declares a geo-centirc creation.
Care to address the OP in the fact that the Word shows the heavens were not stretched out from the earth between the divided in two waters of creation until day two of creation week, and then the sun and moon not made and set in the outstretched heavens until day 4 of creation week, and then the Creator naming the stretched out heavens "two waters" sha-mayim?
Then care to address the Word showing us in Genesis 1 that the light was not called into being until the heaven and earth were created as a piece, and the Holy Spirit brooded over the waters, and the Creator said: "Let there be light", and there was light, and the evening and the morning were [together] echad/one "Day", and the evening and morning, day and night making one day together, revolved in the heaven around the earth right from the beginning, before there was a sun....
For four days there was no sun, but the darkness called night and the morning called day circled the globe of waters on day one, then on day two the waters were cut in two halves and the "firmament/expanse" was str-----etch--ed out between the cut in two waters with the half of the waters raised above the str-----etch--ed out firmament/expanse that the Creator then named "two waters/sha-mayim", and the heavens continued to circle the earth even after they were " str-----etch--ed" out before even the sun and moon were made and set in them...
so care to address the Word's declaration of the circling of the earth of the heavens as darkness and light, before even they were str-----etch--ed out and named "heavens" or even before the sun and moon were made and set in the "str-----etch--ed" out heavens?

I'm sorry, YSM, I think we already discussed this a bit. Other information was offered, and someone wanted some background. That's not off topic. I was just trying to help. I'm not sure why it bothers you that it would be discussed. I didn't offer any commentary on the man or his work (looks like he and I might not agree on a good many things, but I didn't take the time to worry with it). But the ones participating in the discussion had the right to ask the question, I thought. I was trying to be helpful, though progmonk managed to follow up with info I wasn't able to find.

Peace to you.

 

[Hentenza]

Yes, they do, from the beginning and all through.
The generations of the heaven and the earth are not written from the POV of any man, but are God's own declaration of the generations/toledot of the heavens and the earth:

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

The scriptures do not teach geocentrism. It never has. God does not lie.

 

[Hentenza]

The Word of God declares that the earth is the center of the creation, and the heavens and earth are of a piece, and the heavens were stretched out from the earth on day 2 of creation week, between the divided in two waters of creation.
The early Church "Fathers" completely agree with the Word of God on the geocentric creation.

The Fathers on the Geocentric Cosmos
Scripture Catholic - GEOCENTRISM

Before there was a Church, Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam, wrote the book of cosmology revealing the paths of the sun, moon, and stars and how they bring in God's years from the beginning unto eternity in perfect justice, never changing and never deviating.

The Book of Enoch is not scripture.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I accept the Book of Enoch as Scripture [writing is the translation] meaning "sacred/holy" because Jesus did, and called it such, and He used it, preached from it, and oft quoted from it; and so did the Jews in Ethiopia of the first century who never threw it out and kept it -when they received the Gospel- in their Bibles [ Bible means collection of manuscripts, and considered "holy/sacred", in this case].

But this is not about Enoch, but about the geo-centric creation which was written in Genesis, and corroborated in Enoch and in the ancient writings and in the entire Torah and the prophets and in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and by Jesus and His Apostles and all the way through, to Revelation.
The Dead Sea Scrolls "Bible =collection of manuscripts considered sacred writing" includes Enoch's Geo-centric [fixed in place earth ] creation book of the cosmology of the heavenly bodies in their courses in the heavens which circle the earth; and the copies of such dated from the Qumran caves go back to the third century BC -and that is only copies of copies of copies of copies -all the way back to Abraham, who in the Genesis Apocryphon [so called] manuscripts in the Dead Sea Scrolls writes in his own story that he "read the Book of Enoch" to the Egyptian wise men who asked him to teach them "wisdom, values, and truth", when they returned Sarah to him and asked him to do so.

So it is canon in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, and it is sacred writing in my own "collection of writings considered sacred", for I have the freedom from the Holy Spirit to receive that which the LORD JEsus received and quoted from.

But in this thread, the Geo-centric creation begins in Genesis, as does the entire foundation of God's created heavens which were not stretched out from this very earth until day 2, and that was between the cut in two waters of this "globe/tebel =world"- before it was even named "earth".
So one half the waters of this created globe are still above the stretched out heavens, and those heavens are themselves stretched out in distinct "stories", for Eden itself is in the third heaven, and that is where Adam was taken and set in Paradise, the Garden of God, and where Adam was cast down from, at the fall, -according to the Scriptures that cannot lie.

 

[Hentenza]

I accept the Book of Enoch as Scripture [writing is the translation] meaning "sacred/holy" because Jesus did, and called it such, and He used it, preached from it, and oft quoted from it; and so did the Jews in Ethiopia of the first century who never threw it out and kept it -when they received the Gospel- in their Bibles [ Bible means collection of manuscripts, and considered "holy/sacred", in this case].

Jesus did not use the Book of Enoch.

But this is not about Enoch, but about the geo-centric creation which was written in Genesis, and corroborated in Enoch and in the ancient writings and in the entire Torah and the prophets and in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and by Jesus and His Apostles and all the way through, to Revelation.

Genesis does not teach geocentrism. If it did then God lied since the Earth and the other planets clearly revolve around the sun. There is absolutely no question about this.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The scriptures do not teach geocentrism. It never has. God does not lie.

No He does not lie.
So how do you explain the stretched out heavens, from the earth, on day two of creation week, and the layers of them in which the third heaven God made His holy Mount Eden, and planted His Garden/Paradise, in which He took/laqach [Hebrew "laqach" means the same as "rapture"] Adam from the earth below and set him there, to "guard Paradise" -The Hebrew word in Genesis shamar means "to guard"]?

Gen 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

Hebrew is: YHWH Elohim laqach Adam yanach gan Eden `abad shamar

Literally: The LORD God raptured Adam to rest in Paradise to labor in it and to guard it.

BLB - Gen 2: Book of Beginnings - Genesis 2 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

So, from Genesis we learn that Adam was taken to the third heaven -which is a story of the expanse/firmament =the stretched out realm of earth's own circle of power created with it in the beginning- and placed in Paradise to labor in it and guard it [which was his "rest".

We also learn from the Scriptures that do not lie that Paradise is in the third heaven, and Mount Eden where Paradise is, is in the third heaven.
That is Bible doctrine, for those who seek to truly learn, to study and discover for themselves.

It is just what the Scriptures teach, and it is God's POV.

We are fallen sons of God in Adam, and dead in spirit and cannot enter into the Assemblies of the Sons of God in heaven since the fall -which assemblies are called by YHWH for His sons to appear before Him in heaven.

Everything Moses saw to make a copy of by the pattern in heaven he was shown oracles how the Adam seed/souls would be cleansed and regenerated [reclothed with new garments/bodies] and enter into the "Rest" of God, in Paradise, but not in Adam's name, but in the New Man name of the Firstborn Son of God.


We are separated from heaven in our Adam flesh bodies, and guarded from entering back in by the flaming swords of the Cherubim who "guard the gates"; but in regeneration of Spirit into the One Living Spirit/Christ -which is new birth from above- we are in that One Living Spirit seated with Christ in the heavenlies, but we do not have physical access in our Adam flesh to go and come, as the Holy angels do -but Jesus promised we would be as the angels and we would "go in and out", like the angels do -except the fallen angels who cursed themselves to never go in again -but that is antoher story.


Jhn 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved/safe/sozo, and shall go in and out, and find pasture [eat with the LORD and not want].

2 Corinthians 12:
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth, such an one caught up [raptured] to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
4 How that he was caught up/raptured into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

The Adam is our race, and God has a controversy with the Adam, and all Adam is one single created kind and one spirit [Malachi 2:15] and each seed/soul come into the Adam being has a remnant/a share of the Adam spirit [Malachi 2:15], and is guilty and defiled in spirit before the Creator, and we are cast down from Paradise in the third heaven in our first father's fall [for we are the seed created in his loins in the beginning, come to fruit as we are written to do in the Book of Life, in our season].


Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put Adam whom he had formed

Ezekiel 28 is speaking to the Adam in the prince and king of Tyrus, an Adam who thinks he is "god", but God shows His controversy, and the end of the Adam [who is not converted in regeneration of spirit]: The Hebrew does not in any sense try to make a doctrine of a fallen angel who became "satan", but speaks of the Adam who was set in Eden above in the third heaven and who labored and guarded [shamar] Paradise:

Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art ADAM, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
...
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.



Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Jesus did not use the Book of Enoch.

Yes He did. Often, and many times He taught from what is written only in Enoch, and not in Torah or the prophets, for Enoch laid the foundational doctrines that Torah builds upon, and Revelation completes what Enoch saw hidden, in Revelation of it, in the end.
But why do you not address what the Scriptures do say in Genesis 1,2, which I have laid out about the creation account?

Genesis does not teach geocentrism. If it did then God lied since the Earth and the other planets clearly revolve around the sun. There is absolutely no question about this.

You give your POV and say God would have lied if your POV is not correct, but indeed, your POV is from proven occultists and atheists and pagans, as the OP opening 2 posts clearly lay out: and your POV is in direct contradiction to the Scriptures, from the beginning to the end.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I'm sorry, YSM, I think we already discussed this a bit. Other information was offered, and someone wanted some background. That's not off topic. I was just trying to help. I'm not sure why it bothers you that it would be discussed. I didn't offer any commentary on the man or his work (looks like he and I might not agree on a good many things, but I didn't take the time to worry with it). But the ones participating in the discussion had the right to ask the question, I thought. I was trying to be helpful, though progmonk managed to follow up with info I wasn't able to find.

Peace to you.

Peace to you, also.
My reaction was not personal to you but about the poster who wanted to deflect the conversation from the Word of God to the person whom they would like to discredit, which fails anyway in this conversation because their foundational messengers of helio-centrism were all pagans, occultists, and atheists, by their own personal admissions in their own writings or practices or biographies.

 

[Hentenza]

No He does not lie.
So how do you explain the stretched out heavens, from the earth, on day two of creation week

There is no stretched out heaven. God separated the waters and created an expanse which He called heaven. This is NOT God's heaven but the first heaven which is the atmosphere. We still call it heaven today. Remember that Genesis was written by Moses NOT by God and his pov is anthropomorphic.

, and the layers of them in which the third heaven God made His holy Mount Eden, and planted His Garden/Paradise,

No such thing on day two.

in which He took/laqach [Hebrew "laqach" means the same as "rapture"] Adam from the earth below and set him there, to "guard Paradise" -The Hebrew word in Genesis shamar means "to guard"]?

Chapter and verse please.

Gen 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

Yes, Adam was to cultivate and take care of garden. What does this have to do with geocentrism?

Hebrew is: YHWH Elohim laqach Adam yanach gan Eden `abad shamar

Literally: The LORD God raptured Adam to rest in Paradise to labor in it and to guard it.

BLB - Gen 2: Book of Beginnings - Genesis 2 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

From the same link as you posted.

To take, get, fetch, lay hold of, seize, receive, acquire, buy, bring, marry, take a wife, snatch, take away

No rapture here. God merely placed Adam in the garden; God did NOT rapture Adam.

Again, what does this have to do with geocentrism?

So, from Genesis we learn that Adam was taken to the third heaven

No we do not. From Genesis we learn that Adam was taken to the garden not to heaven.

We also learn from the Scriptures that do not lie that Paradise is in the third heaven, and Mount Eden where Paradise is, is in the third heaven.
That is Bible doctrine, for those who seek to truly learn, to study and discover for themselves.

Mount Eden is not in the third heaven. That is God's abode. Eden is on earth between the four rivers.

Gen. 2
10 Now a river [g]flowed out of Eden to water the garden; and from there it divided and became four [h]rivers. 11 The name of the first is Pishon; it [i]flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 The gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there. 13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it [j]flows around the whole land of Cush. 14 The name of the third river is [k]Tigris; it [l]flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the [m]Euphrates.

It is just what the Scriptures teach, and it is God's POV.

No it doesn't. This is your interpretation.

I snipped the rest of your post because it has absolutely nothing to do with geocentrism.

 

[Hentenza]

Yes He did.

Prove it.

But why do you not address what the Scriptures do say in Genesis 1,2, which I have laid out about the creation account?

See my post above this one.

You give your POV and say God would have lied if your POV is not correct, but indeed, your POV is from proven occultists and atheists and pagans, as the OP opening 2 posts clearly lay out: and your POV is in direct contradiction to the Scriptures, from the beginning to the end

Your pov and interpretation make God a liar. There is absolutely NO chance that the Sun revolves around the Earth. You make God a liar because the scriptures do NOT teach geocentrism.

 

[Kristos]

This seems to be simple confusion of categories - the physical/scientific phenomenon of planetary orbits versus the spiritual/metaphysical truth of the creation narrative. People love to confuse them - on both sides.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

There is no stretched out heaven. God separated the waters and created an expanse which He called heaven. This is NOT God's heaven but the first heaven which is the atmosphere.
We still call it heaven today.

Genesis 1:

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament/expanse in the midst of the waters/mayim, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven/sha-mayim. And the evening and the morning were the second day.


Expanse is from the root to stretch, beat out....
The expanse/firmament in the midst of the waters is the stretched out heavens -firmament/expanse. Paradise is in the third layer/story of the stretched out firmament/expanse/heavens.

Amo 9:6
It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven...



The half of the earth's created waters are still above the stretched out /expanse/firmament/heavens/sha-mayim.

Gen 1:7
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.



Psa 148:4
Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.


Heaven is "plural", so the mayim-שָׁמַיִם/waters, is plural, with the plural ending, as the heaven/sha- mayim-שָׁמַיִם is, "heavens". It is translated singular or plural, on the whim of the translator, but it is plural.


God is specific that the atmosphere is the "face/paniym -פָּנִים" of the heavens.




20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open/face/paniym h6440 firmament of heaven.




God specifically states that He set the sun and moon in the expanse/firmament/stretched out heavens on day 4. He also set the stars/wandering stars in this instance, which are the planets, in the firmament of the heavens on day 4.
He did not set the sun and moon nor the stars called planets in the open/face/ atmosphere on day 4, where the birds fly that is silly to state it is so!


Genesis 1:


14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament/expanse of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

Yes, Adam was to cultivate and take care of garden. What does this have to do with geocentrism? ...
To take, get, fetch, lay hold of, seize, receive, acquire, buy, bring, marry, take a wife, snatch, take away

No rapture here. God merely placed Adam in the garden; God did NOT rapture Adam.

Again, what does this have to do with geocentrism?

Adam was taken from the earth below and set in the stretched out heavens, where Eden is. The earth is the center of God's creation, and the heavens were stretched out from the earth on day 2 between the cut in two waters of this created globe.
In God's stretched out firmament, in the third story/layer, is Mount Eden, and Paradise is in Mount Eden. That is the "Breadth of earth" that God asks Job if he can measure -for no, no man can.
That is the "breadth of earth" which the wicked, deceived by the let loose evil satans, try to ascend to, in the end of the millennium, where the City of God is, in the book of Revelation.

That is the realm of earth's outstretched breadth that Nimrod & Co attempted to ascend to, to take over Paradise and sit above the angels, and which is why we speak many divided tongues confounded from our one mother [edenic] tongue, which is Hebrew.


From the same link as you posted.

To take, get, fetch, lay hold of, seize, receive, acquire, buy, bring, marry, take a wife, snatch, take away

No rapture here. God merely placed Adam in the garden; God did NOT rapture Adam.

Again, what does this have to do with geocentrism?

The word rapture is "To take, get, fetch, lay hold of, seize, receive, acquire, buy, bring, marry, take a wife, snatch, take away"
God raptured a rib from the male/ish Adam and built a female/ishyah Adam. He took the rib from Adam and built a wife for him. HE removed the rib from one place, adn took it to another, and the male Ish then was "married" by having an ishyah.

When Adam was "raptured/laqach" to Paradise above, he was "married" to the Living Spirit, and was then, "husbandman/ishyah" to bring forth the seed/sons of God of the human being kind to "plant the heavens" for the City of God/Zion above, to be built for the glory of the unseen YHWH to indwell, as His temple not made with hands.

The Living Spirit, the wife/Zion above, personaified as a woman in Scripture became a barren widow when the Adam spirit died as son of God in the fall, and the divorce/casting away, of the Adam spirit; and all the seed/sons/building stones died as sons of God to come forth for building the City/Temple made for the Glory to indwell.

The barren widow has a new husbandman in the second Man/Ish creation, and all the sons adopted by Him, into His one living Spirit/Christ, become the living stones to build the City/Temple for the Glory to indwell, and are "married to Christ as Firstborn Son of God in flesh".

The bride of Christ is the "Ishyah" which belongs to the namesake people of the New Man/Ish name. That name is "Israel" as the Firstborn human being Son of God, to replace the Adam, the first, now dead/divorced/cast away son of God.
When Adam was cast away, cast down, from Mount Eden above in the stretched out realm of this earth he was cut off/divorced without remedy for ever going back or being "married/husbandman" of the Living Spirit.

The New Man is the New Ish, and everyone adopted into His one Living Spirit become the bride of Christ.


Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth/sent him away from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Gen 3:24 So he drove out/garash divorced Adam ; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

garash/ to drive out, expel, cast out, drive away, divorce, put away, thrust away, trouble, cast up

So first Adam was taken to Paradise above, which was a marriage to the Living Spirit.

Then Adam was cast away, driven out/cut off/divorced from the Living Spirit: forever a cast away in the Adam flesh; but a way was opened to be "married to the Living Spirit" by adoption/new birth/regeneration into the One Living Spirit, as the "bride/ishyah" of that One Living Spirit in the name of the Firstborn Son of God, Israel. -Isaiah 49 shows that the name of the New MAn is Israel, and when our flesh is regenerated into His image, we will be His "Ishyah", and married to The Living Spirit and we will "build up Zion above for the Glory to indwell.

Our purpose is to "Plant the heavens" as sons of God which He sought by making them male and female, and one spirit, in the beginning -Malachi 2:15 so states.

Gen. 2
10 Now a river [g]flowed out of Eden to water the garden; and from there it divided and became four [h]rivers. 11 The name of the first is Pishon; it [i]flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 The gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there. 13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it [j]flows around the whole land of Cush. 14 The name of the third river is [k]Tigris; it [l]flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the [m]Euphrates.

Dear Hentenza, the river that flowed out of Eden above, in the third heaven, and watered Paradise, in the third heaven above [Paul tells you that is where Paradise is] is an atmospheric river.
Atmospheric rivers carry more water than the Amazon, and they water the earth.

That river that came out of Eden above in the third heaven became four heads of four rivers on earth below. The Gishon; the Blue Nile; Euphrates, and the Tigress.

The geo-centric creation is God's way of planting the heavens by human being sons of God for His glory to indwell, and His heavens serve the earth below, from which they were stretched out between the divided waters of, on day 2 of creation week.

The stars control the waters and the lightnings and the hail. Floods come from the stars. Hail and lightning come from the stars [look up starwaters]. The winds are controlled by the stars, and this earth is central to God's one plan for building His temple not made with hands for His Glory to indwell, and to "Plant the heavens" forever, from human beings born on earth.

His one plan is still going forward, for all the seed created in the loins of the male Adam head of the race will come forth that were written in the Book of Life, and all who choose Him who first chose them to be His sons, will "plant the heavens, from the earth, and will shine like the stars and the firmanent/heaven, with His glory indwelling

Isa 51:16 And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.

 

[AmericanChristian91]

Jesus did not use the Book of Enoch.



Genesis does not teach geocentrism. If it did then God lied since the Earth and the other planets clearly revolve around the sun. There is absolutely no question about this.

Just because something in the past did not happen exactly the way how its presented in Genesis, does not mean God lied (besides he did not exactly write Genesis, people did, and just because people are inspired by God, does not mean that inspiration means the views of the time have no influence on their writings, and that their writings needed to be completely historically/scientifically accurate about the past when writing and trying to teach something about God, sometimes the point/reasons for a story about God are not those 2 things)

You have to understand that the people who wrote Genesis did not have the knowledge we have (no modern astronomy, etc) about the world. Therefore in their minds, the world that was being created in Genesis is not the world we know of (Earth being the 3rd planet from the Sun in a solar system, earth being a sphere and is rotating in space, also revolving around the Sun, what stars actually are, etc).

 

[yeshuasavedme]

There is no stretched out heaven. God separated the waters and created an expanse which He called heaven. This is NOT God's heaven but the first heaven which is the atmosphere.
We still call it heaven today.

Genesis 1:

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament/expanse in the midst of the waters/mayim, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven/sha-mayim. And the evening and the morning were the second day.


Expanse is from the root to stretch, beat out....
The expanse/firmament in the midst of the waters is the stretched out heavens -firmament/expanse. Paradise is in the third layer/story of the stretched out firmament/expanse/heavens.

Amo 9:6
It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven...



The half of the earth's created waters are still above the stretched out /expanse/firmament/heavens/sha-mayim.

Gen 1:7
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.



Psa 148:4
Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.


Heaven is "plural", so the mayim-שָׁמַיִם/waters, is plural, with the plural ending, as the heaven/sha- mayim-שָׁמַיִם is, "heavens". It is translated singular or plural, on the whim of the translator, but it is plural.


God is specific that the atmosphere is the "face/paniym -פָּנִים" of the heavens.




20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open/face/paniym h6440 firmament of heaven.




God specifically states that He set the sun and moon in the expanse/firmament/stretched out heavens on day 4. He also set the stars/wandering stars in this instance, which are the planets, in the firmament of the heavens on day 4.
He did not set the sun and moon nor the stars called planets in the open/face/ atmosphere on day 4, where the birds fly that is silly to state it is so!


Genesis 1:


14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament/expanse of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

Yes, Adam was to cultivate and take care of garden. What does this have to do with geocentrism? ...
To take, get, fetch, lay hold of, seize, receive, acquire, buy, bring, marry, take a wife, snatch, take away

No rapture here. God merely placed Adam in the garden; God did NOT rapture Adam.

Again, what does this have to do with geocentrism?

Adam was taken from the earth below and set in the stretched out heavens, where Eden is. The earth is the center of God's creation, and the heavens were stretched out from the earth on day 2 between the cut in two waters of this created globe.
In God's stretched out firmament, in the third story/layer, is Mount Eden, and Paradise is in Mount Eden. That is the "Breadth of earth" that God asks Job if he can measure -for no, no man can.
That is the "breadth of earth" which the wicked, deceived by the let loose evil satans, try to ascend to, in the end of the millennium, where the City of God is, in the book of Revelation.

That is the realm of earth's outstretched breadth that Nimrod & Co attempted to ascend to, to take over Paradise and sit above the angels, and which is why we speak many divided tongues confounded from our one mother [edenic] tongue, which is Hebrew.


From the same link as you posted.

To take, get, fetch, lay hold of, seize, receive, acquire, buy, bring, marry, take a wife, snatch, take away

No rapture here. God merely placed Adam in the garden; God did NOT rapture Adam.

Again, what does this have to do with geocentrism?

The word rapture is "To take, get, fetch, lay hold of, seize, receive, acquire, buy, bring, marry, take a wife, snatch, take away"
God raptured a rib from the male/ish Adam and built a female/ishyah Adam. He took the rib from Adam and built a wife for him. HE removed the rib from one place, adn took it to another, and the male Ish then was "married" by having an ishyah.

When Adam was "raptured/laqach" to Paradise above, he was "married" to the Living Spirit, and was then, "husbandman/ishyah" to bring forth the seed/sons of God of the human being kind to "plant the heavens" for the City of God/Zion above, to be built for the glory of the unseen YHWH to indwell, as His temple not made with hands.

The Living Spirit, the wife/Zion above, personaified as a woman in Scripture became a barren widow when the Adam spirit died as son of God in the fall, and the divorce/casting away, of the Adam spirit; and all the seed/sons/building stones died as sons of God to come forth for building the City/Temple made for the Glory to indwell.

The barren widow has a new husbandman in the second Man/Ish creation, and all the sons adopted by Him, into His one living Spirit/Christ, become the living stones to build the City/Temple for the Glory to indwell, and are "married to Christ as Firstborn Son of God in flesh".

The bride of Christ is the "Ishyah" which belongs to the namesake people of the New Man/Ish name. That name is "Israel" as the Firstborn human being Son of God, to replace the Adam, the first, now dead/divorced/cast away son of God.
When Adam was cast away, cast down, from Mount Eden above in the stretched out realm of this earth he was cut off/divorced without remedy for ever going back or being "married/husbandman" of the Living Spirit.

The New Man is the New Ish, and everyone adopted into His one Living Spirit become the bride of Christ.


Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth/sent him away from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Gen 3:24 So he drove out/garash divorced Adam ; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

garash/ to drive out, expel, cast out, drive away, divorce, put away, thrust away, trouble, cast up

So first Adam was taken to Paradise above, which was a marriage to the Living Spirit.

Then Adam was cast away, driven out/cut off/divorced from the Living Spirit: forever a cast away in the Adam flesh; but a way was opened to be "married to the Living Spirit" by adoption/new birth/regeneration into the One Living Spirit, as the "bride/ishyah" of that One Living Spirit in the name of the Firstborn Son of God, Israel. -Isaiah 49 shows that the name of the New MAn is Israel, and when our flesh is regenerated into His image, we will be His "Ishyah", and married to The Living Spirit and we will "build up Zion above for the Glory to indwell.

Our purpose is to "Plant the heavens" as sons of God which He sought by making them male and female, and one spirit, in the beginning -Malachi 2:15 so states.

Gen. 2
10 Now a river [g]flowed out of Eden to water the garden; and from there it divided and became four [h]rivers. 11 The name of the first is Pishon; it [i]flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 The gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there. 13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it [j]flows around the whole land of Cush. 14 The name of the third river is [k]Tigris; it [l]flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the [m]Euphrates.

Dear Hentenza, the river that flowed out of Eden above, in the third heaven, and watered Paradise, in the third heaven above [Paul tells you that is where Paradise is] is an atmospheric river.
Atmospheric rivers carry more water than the Amazon, and they water the earth.

That river that came out of Eden above in the third heaven became four heads of four rivers on earth below. The Gishon; the Blue Nile; Euphrates, and the Tigress.

The geo-centric creation is God's way of planting the heavens by human being sons of God for His glory to indwell, and His heavens serve the earth below, from which they were stretched out between the divided waters of, on day 2 of creation week.

The stars control the waters and the lightnings and the hail. Floods come from the stars. Hail and lightning come from the stars [look up starwaters]. The winds are controlled by the stars, and this earth is central to God's one plan for building His temple not made with hands for His Glory to indwell, and to "Plant the heavens" forever, from human beings born on earth.

His one plan is still going forward, for all the seed created in the loins of the male Adam head of the race will come forth that were written in the Book of Life, and all who choose Him who first chose them to be His sons, will "plant the heavens, from the earth, and will shine like the stars and the firmanent/heaven, with His glory indwelling

Isa 51:16 And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.