The Sun Revolves Around The Earth: Scripture Cannot Lie

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[Hentenza]

It was an accusation of ignorance to my posts or to addressing the Scriptures.

No it was not. Your theology is a little funky to say the least.

And the Word of God teaches that all souls born in Adam were created as seed in the loins of the first father in Adam, and written in the Book of Life to come forth in their season, boundaried by their days, to be sons of God in Adam.
But God the Word knew we would become defiled in the Adam flesh, and already made the plan to ransom us back in His own New Man name, which name in Scripture is "Israel".

We were, in Adam, in Paradise in heaven, but as seed in the loins of the first male, not come into our being yet.
God's plan was for the Adam to multiply and fill the earth, live his day of a thousand years, and be transformed so as to "Plant the heavens" as sons of God in which His Glory dwells. That is what the Word and the ancient writings of the Jewish seers teach, and that is what the ransom of our souls is all about, in the New Man name.

God's one plan is still going forward, and we who are born again sons of God will take our places among the holy angels, as companions with them, and rule with them -if we are found faithful- in the heavenly realm, in our transformed bodies, and over the creation, for it will continue in the regeneration for all eternity -even for a million years, as Scripture reveals.

Once again, the scriptures do not teach geocentrism.

 

[Gnarwhal]

Your theology is a little funky to say the least

That's a gross understatement.

 

[pgp_protector]

No it was not. Your theology is a little funky to say the least.

Have you seen "Dad's" Theology & Science ?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The Word of God is true from the beginning, and the Word of God in the beginning is God's POV, not any man's.
Some have come to post and deny the Word is geocentric from the beginning in total denial of what is stated by making a claim that it was written by men, and not by God.
To paraphrase: some even claim that God was not smart enough to really explain how His creation is made and works -which claim is a totally stupid, in your face, lie, right out of the pit- because, they claim, that Adam was too dumb to understand God's smarts until Adam-kind "evolved" to -surprise! Copernicus and Galileo and so forth!

But the Word says:
Numbers 23:
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

King James Version (KJV)
Romans 3:

4 ... let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.



Job 25:3
Is there any number of his armies? and upon whom doth not his light arise?



Upon whom indeed does His light/the sun, not arise?
To arise is -surprise, all you deniers -it is "to arise"!

Why does the Word always say the sun rises and sets? -why not just "crosses over"? -Because from the beginning the sun's circle of the globe is always mounting up and sinking down from every point on the globe. It cannot "Cross over" but must needs "mount up/arise" and "goes down, set"
The Hebrew word for "world" is "tebel" which has the root etymons B-L denoting a swelling, and the B-L etymons in those words mean "to swell" We get words like bulb, balloon, belly, bell, ball, and so on out of those; so God's sun must needs rise up, mount up, as it circles the globe, from the beginning.

The heavens circle the globe from the beginning, before even they were stretched out in layered stories, like steps, ascending higher and higher, below the half of the waters of the globe which the heavens were stretched out in the midst of, and in which third heaven He made His Mount Eden, and planted a Garden there to set Adam in, from the beginning, so as to reign over the creation he was the crown of and to grow the Temple made for the Glory out of the living stones/his seed; for God made them -the one Adam kind- "male and female" to get sons of God -holy sons- in which His glory could dwell.
Malachi 2:15
Wherefore made He them one, having the residue/remnant/share of the spirit? because He sought godly seed =sons of God of the human kind, to build His temple not made with hands to indwell.

The first temple made for the glory, Adam, was defiled irrevocably and was cut off as a son of God of the human being kind, divorced from the Living Spirit, and so died in the one Adam spirit to that life [which means divorced] and will never, ever, bear the Glory; but God's plan from the beginning was to build a second temple of human being kind, by coming in New Creation flesh as the Foundation Stone for that building up of Zion, by the cleansing and adoption of the lost seed of Adam, so as to ransom them back and dress them anew -in regenerated flesh of the New Man creation- and give them His New Man name, for the Glory to indwell, for Zion to be built, above.

The earth itself is the center of God's creation, and the reason He created them male and female in the Adam kind creation with the seed within the male loins to multiply the kind was to build a temple of living stones for His unseen Glory to indwell.

This is His one plan and it has not changed.
Earth is quarantined since the fall, but not abandoned, just kept from entering into the realm of the outstretched heavens that he was made to rule from, and separated in death of the spirit and separated in the defiled temple of his flesh from that communion with the Creator in His temple, there, and from communion with the holy Watcher angels in the heavens above, which have their origin right here on this globe, when it was waters, out of which all that is created would be brought forth, and the heavens themselves stretched out between the same waters.







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[Gnarwhal]

For the love of all that is holy, the density of some people. Nobody is saying that the bible is untrue, but truth and literalism don't always go hand in hand.

Everyone here affirms the bible as completely true, but understanding how it's true is what separates proper Christians like those who reject geocentrism, and those who don't. God gave us all cognitive faculties, tossing those aside in order to defend geocentrism is an affront to God and Christianity.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The claim that science falsely so called is the only "entity" that can tell us how God's creation works and that God really did not write -through holy men of old- His "generations of the heavens and the earth", as His own story of His geocentric creation is a claim that is totally refuted by all Scriptures on the subject -and there are many- and totally refuted by all the sacred writings of the patriarchs as read in ancient Jewish writings and in the DSS manuscripts.

Adam, son of God was made to be a companion of and to fellowship with YHWH the Creator in the Person of God the Word. He was created full grown, and fully installed with language and the dictionary to understand the science of the language, and was made one [Adam/nature/spirit], and made male and female, with the seed in the Adam so as to multiply the kind to bring forth sons of God for the Glory to indwell, and to plant the heavens as sons of God, ruling over the creation -with the holy angels.

Adam was taken from earth below [raptured/laqach] to the realm of the stretched out third heaven of it, where Paradise is; and set there in the "Rest" of God to "labor" and to "guard" it. Those are the words the Hebrew translate to.

Our rest in the regeneration of all things is to be made sons of God and to reign over the creation as sons of the Firstborn, who is the New Creation Man who is Christ the Living Spirit come in flesh of Kinsman/Redeemer to ransom us back, for the Glory to indwell and to "build up Zion above" for the Glory to indwell as a temple not made with hands. that is why the creation is geocentirc, because this is the place God is building his temple from, so as to indwell His sons and to "Plant the heavens".

God never changed His plan, and this earth is the fixed center of His creation and does not move, and is the place where it all started, for His building up of His temple built with holy living stones, so as to "plant the stretched out heavens" with His sons of the human being kind.

That is Scripture doctrine, and that is why the geocentric creation as described in the beginning of "the generations of the heavens and the earth" is so important a foundation for understanding His creation and the reason for it all.
He wants sons to dwell in, as a living temple; and the earth will go on forever, and as the sons of Israel [the name of the New Man]
are born on it and live their millennial day,
and are transformed in their bodies to the heavenly body for the glory to indwell,
after the Sabbath millennium of this present creation is ended
and sin is put away forever
and the heavens are "planted" forever, with those sons born of earth, and transformed for the heavens
after the elements are dissolved and regenerated -undergo metamorphosis,
like the living flesh bodies do at the rapture, which are changed in the twinkling of an eye.

 

[Gnarwhal]

It's absolutely hysterical that you will call upon these 'holy men of old' but I would bet my bottom dollar that you wouldn't pay any heed to the Early Church Fathers unless they had something to do with your own personal agenda.

I'm going to ask this one more time: Why aren't you Ethiopian Orthodox?

 

[Keachian]

Why aren't you Ethiopian Orthodox?

She's not because her Eschatology is the propaganda to spiel about and her Cosmology and use of Enoch are the tools through which to do it, her interpretation of both the Holy Writ within and without the Ethiopian Tewahedo Orthodox Church is completely unorthodox because she starts from her Eschatology.

 

[7sForDays]

If you told me everything we know about space, including many of the images, were not exactly true, I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Keachian]

If you told me everything we know about space, including many of the images, were not exactly true, I wouldn't be surprised.

Not exactly true is a far cry from what yeshuasavedme is pushing. Since Galileo Christians have seen possible references to geocentrism either as misunderstood in that way or as God condescending to us to speaks truths about himself rather than only truths about his creation, going further back in history to Augustine while he was combating men who judged that God was not all powerful because he created over the course of six days said this;

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion. -- On the Literal Interpretation of Genesis​

Further back and we can go to Christ himself who said that "The Scriptures testify about me" so I think we are standing on quite solid ground when we demand that the exegesis of the Scriptures is to draw closer to God and understand the creation through him and his condescension to us rather than the Scriptures testifying to creation, as Paul said; "[God's] invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made."

 

[JacobLaw]

God never changed His plan, and this earth is the fixed center of His creation and does not move, and is the place where it all started, for His building up of His temple built with holy living stones, so as to "plant the stretched out heavens" with His sons of the human being kind

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The reason God never changes his plan, is God doesn't have a plan or need one, think about it the Almighty God has to plan something? No God doesn't plan anything he has a will and purpose and that all there is no plan to execute just his will and either we get in it and believe or we will have no purpose, there isn't a plan.
That is my observation anyway.

 

[Keachian]

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The reason God never changes his plan, is God doesn't have a plan or need one, think about it the Almighty God has to plan something? No God doesn't plan anything he has a will and purpose and that all there is no plan to execute just his will and either we get in it and believe or we will have no purpose, there isn't a plan.
That is my observation anyway.

So God has a Will that will come to pass but he doesn't have a plan, I think you may have objected to something and given a theological synonym.

 

[JacobLaw]

So God has a Will that will come to pass but he doesn't have a plan, I think you may have objected to something and given a theological synonym.

I suppose that is how it came about. Synonyms have a nasty way of feigned the meaning of the purpose.
But I might note the word "plan" doesn't appear in the bible.

 

[pgp_protector]

I suppose that is how it came about. Synonyms have a nasty way of feigned the meaning of the purpose.
But I might note the word "plan" doesn't appear in the bible.

Well given their's a bit under 11,000 unique words in the bible, and over 250,000 words in the English language do you really find it surprising that about 96% of the words in the English language doesn't show up in the bible?

 

[7sForDays]

Well given their's a bit under 11,000 unique words in the bible, and over 250,000 words in the English language do you really find it surprising that about 96% of the words in the English language doesn't show up in the bible?

Which translation?

the KJV is a dated vernacular. (prob still my fav tho, such a beautifully written translation)

 

[7sForDays]

Not exactly true is a far cry from what yeshuasavedme is pushing. Since Galileo Christians have seen possible references to geocentrism either as misunderstood in that way or as God condescending to us to speaks truths about himself rather than only truths about his creation, going further back in history to Augustine while he was combating men who judged that God was not all powerful because he created over the course of six days said this;

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion. -- On the Literal Interpretation of Genesis​

Further back and we can go to Christ himself who said that "The Scriptures testify about me" so I think we are standing on quite solid ground when we demand that the exegesis of the Scriptures is to draw closer to God and understand the creation through him and his condescension to us rather than the Scriptures testifying to creation, as Paul said; "[God's] invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made."

How the celestial bodies are positioned and move relative to earth isnt really a major concern of mine.

Christ wasnt talking about astronomy when he was talking about "heavenly things"

 

[yeshuasavedme]

If you told me everything we know about space, including many of the images, were not exactly true, I wouldn't be surprised.

Though what is purported to be known is nothing but unproven fables by the mainstream so called "science" of the heavens and the bodies in them, their denials of what the Word tells us about "the origins and the generations/tolodot of the heavens and the earth" are refuted by many scientists who have shown -and who do show- the results of experiments that prove the electric universe theory is correct, and that the sun is not a ball of gas nor are the stars. Those who work on these things are not esp Bible believing Christians, but their work actually corroborates the Scriptures, though they do not know it.

Electric Universe theory

Galaxy simulation


Laboratory science

Plasmas are strongly influenced by electro-magnetic forces. A laboratory simulation of two interacting electric "Birkeland" currents, models many characteristics of galaxy formation. The Electric Universe is based on the known properties of plasmas, in preference to unproven theoretical physics, and consequently does not require black holes, dark matter and dark energy, neutron stars and the Big Bang.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

How the celestial bodies are positioned and move relative to earth isnt really a major concern of mine.

Christ wasnt talking about astronomy when he was talking about "heavenly things"

He talked a lot about the stars, sun, moon, and the powers in the heavens. He corroborated the prophesies of the fall of the stars to the earth, and the signs in the heavens -in the stars- and in the sun and in the moon.
He told us about the sun being smitten by the angel who throws the bowl of wrath into it and the earth being blasted with such heat that if the days were not cut off/shortened and the nights were not cut off/shortened [and Revelation says by one third part of them], no flesh would survive on earth, but for the sake of the elect [of Jacob's seed] those days will be cut short -shortened.
There is a lot about the heavenly bodies and the signs in them said by the LORD Jesus and to John, in Revelation, to write for us to read that proves modern -so called science- is wrong about the universe, and the Scriptures are correct, and God does not lie.

 

[7sForDays]

He talked a lot about the stars, sun, moon, and the powers in the heavens. He corroborated the prophesies of the fall of the stars to the earth, and the signs in the heavens -in the stars- and in the sun and in the moon.
He told us about the sun being smitten by the angel who throws the bowl of wrath into it and the earth being blasted with such heat that if the days were not cut off/shortened and the nights were not cut off/shortened [and Revelation says by one third part of them], no flesh would survive on earth, but for the sake of the elect [of Jacob's seed] those days will be cut short -shortened.
There is a lot about the heavenly bodies and the signs in them said by the LORD Jesus and to John, in Revelation, to write for us to read that proves modern -so called science- is wrong about the universe, and the Scriptures are correct, and God does not lie.

No doubts sister, and Im more on your side than you know.


I pay attention to whats going on in the heavens, and what Im seeing is quite frankly nothing more than an indication of the times.