The Sun Revolves Around The Earth: Scripture Cannot Lie

[~Anastasia~]

There are two points I can't reconcile, even if I try to imagine the earth being the center, particularly if it does not move.

First off, the seasons/day length. I see your "portals" ... but the sun would have to logically change speed during a 24-hour day and/or you wind up with problems of the seasons lining up for the rest of the world. The day-lengths and seasons are opposite in the opposite hemisphere. I taught hands-on earth science to elementary school students and used models to demonstrate seasons, day length, and so on, and I can't see it working by any stretch of the imagination with a spherical earth.

Please don't tell me we are discussing flat earth?

The other point, if the entire universe cycles around a stationary earth? Have you ever played a game as a child, where a group of kids join hands to make a line, and the child at one end grabs hold of a pole? Then the one by the pole begins to circle the pole, and the other kids in the line are pulled along? In a line of children just ten feet long, the ones at the outside usually can't run fast enough to keep up while the one near the center turns slowly.

Now, extend that out to the proportions of the universe. If a star (or whatever it is) is at such a great distance from the earth, moving in it's courses, orbiting the EARTH, do you know how fast it would have to be moving to keep up with the rest of the universe that lies between? The outer edges that we can see with our naked eye would literally fly apart at those speeds, I would imagine. Never mind the galaxies beyond that we can't see with the naked eye, but which are visible with simple telescopes mounted at observatories for the public to view through.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The amount of time in a day has increased by several minutes a day..

God's day starts exactly at sunset, from the beginning.

Sunset to sunset completes one "Day" of evening and morning/darkness and light, in God's calendar. No matter how long the light is, or how long the dark is, sunset begins the new day of evening and morning from the beginning.

The spring equinox begins the year, in God's Geocentric Calendar.
The summer solstice begins summer.
Fall equinox begins fall
Winter solstice begins winter.

The four seasons have a "stop" day at their heads not numbered as days in the calendar, and there are 52 weeks in the year of 4, 13 week seasons.
At the end of the year, the 4 stop days are numbered in the calendar, making 364 days in the year, but their moments [we might say "hours} are not counted in the year, just the number of their days.

The sun circling round on its course, east to west, and coming again northerly, to exit out of each of the the six heavenly portals to mark the seasons, back and forth from the fourth to the sixth and swinging back around and out through each of them in the proper seasons, til it passes the fourth and on to the third and second and first, then returning back to come out the fourth again, completing one year, caused men of unbelief who had discarded the wisdom of God to think that the earth wobbles and tilts, and rotates and so on, but it is the sun traveling on its course that makes the seasons.
This science of the celestial bodies has always been right there in the Scriptures canonized by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, which men of faith always had, since before Noah got off that Ark -and which portions of copies of were discovered in the DSS. Many early Church fathers also believed it was Scripture.
Nevertheless: the science has always been there.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

There are two points I can't reconcile, even if I try to imagine the earth being the center, particularly if it does not move.

First off, the seasons/day length. I see your "portals" ... but the sun would have to logically change speed during a 24-hour day and/or you wind up with problems of the seasons lining up for the rest of the world. The day-lengths and seasons are opposite in the opposite hemisphere. I taught hands-on earth science to elementary school students and used models to demonstrate seasons, day length, and so on, and I can't see it working by any stretch of the imagination with a spherical earth.

Please don't tell me we are discussing flat earth?

The other point, if the entire universe cycles around a stationary earth? Have you ever played a game as a child, where a group of kids join hands to make a line, and the child at one end grabs hold of a pole? Then the one by the pole begins to circle the pole, and the other kids in the line are pulled along? In a line of children just ten feet long, the ones at the outside usually can't run fast enough to keep up while the one near the center turns slowly.

Now, extend that out to the proportions of the universe. If a star (or whatever it is) is at such a great distance from the earth, moving in it's courses, orbiting the EARTH, do you know how fast it would have to be moving to keep up with the rest of the universe that lies between? The outer edges that we can see with our naked eye would literally fly apart at those speeds, I would imagine. Never mind the galaxies beyond that we can't see with the naked eye, but which are visible with simple telescopes mounted at observatories for the public to view through.

If you read Enoch's geocentric calendar that I posted the link to you can get a grip on how the sun marks the seasons in its course around the earth.
No, no flat earth is taught in the Word of God, and if you read my posts you will see that I only agree with the Word of God that the earth is a globe, for the word "tebel" in Hebrew means"globe" and its base etymons are "B-L" [the truth/emet of a word's meaning is in the science of the etymons which God created as a science and gave to Adam complete with built in concordance and dictionary- , and they mean "to swell"

Also, the beginning point of a year in the revealed calendar is marked at spring equinox at what God calls the "center/midst =navel" of the earth, and that point is Jerusalem: the Jewish sages have written a lot about that actual "navel" of the earth, which is Scripture doctrine, so one does not have to worry about the North and South poles and their long days and long nights.

The calendars have been a mess since departing from God's revealed calendar and His calendar as they believed it to be was a point of argument that caused the Essenes to separate from the "defiled" priesthood which accepted the Babylonian calendar even when they returned from the Diaspora.
The calendars of the world since departing from the revealed calendar of God as Enoch revealed it and are always having to be adjusted and changed and messed with. Jesus will straiten all that out when He returns. Meantime: His years which He counts them by, as to the sun's fourth portal of entry at spring equinox, still begin with spring equinox.

 

[pshun2404]

It really does not matter if you are not convinced by sources outside Scripture, as to this thread, but the Scriptures, themselves, do not lie, and the sun revolves and rotates and follows its own ordained paths in the heavens circling the earth, coming out of 6 different gates/portals ordained by God's electromagnetic forces, for the months and the seasons [that fact, can be scientifically observed].
The portal for the sun's coming out at the beginning of the year is the 4th, and when it enters that portal in its rising, the days are equal -the spring equinox in as it is observed from Jerusalem, which point of the earth is the "center of the earth"=the navel of its "birth"!- as the Word of God states; and the moon follows the same paths as the sun, for they have "an oath" between them, which sets them on the same course in the heavens, circling the earth, only the moon falls behind the sun, as Enoch wrote of, a certain number of days in a certain number of years, before coming back to the same starting point again....

The earth does not spin, revolve, rotate or tilt, but is fixed in its ordained place in the center of the heavens which were outstretched from it, on day 2 of creation week, between the divided in two waters of creation.

please give scriptures that say the Sun revolves around the earth...

 

[yeshuasavedme]

For the record: the Word of God teaches that the sun, moon, and stars will cease their shining for one third part of the day and night, in the tribulation, making the 18 part [24 hour] day = 12 parts [16 hours]: that is when the earth is indeed, at the last, moved out of its place, turned upside down, and the seasons will be backwards and the sun and moon will shine brighter and men on earth will only be saved from the heat because God shortens/cuts off the days. If He did not shorten the days, no flesh would be saved.
Both the Book of Enoch and Revelation and Isaiah talk about that time to come, when the earth will stagger and wobble as a drunkard and jump about like a hunted roe, at the last, and turn upside down and the seasons will be backwards and the stars will not appear in their order and men will take them to be gods and make images of them and worship them....and God will let them believe the delusion because they did not receive the love of the Truth...

 

[yeshuasavedme]

please give scriptures that say the Sun revolves around the earth...

God has and I have posted many of them. I cannot cure your blindness, but others may "see".

And the opening post in # 2 has a link to a huge amount of quotes from the apostolic Church fathers who agreed with and commented upon the fact of the truth of the Word that the sun indeed circles the earth.

 

[sculleywr]

God has and I have posted many of them. I cannot cure your blindness, but others may "see".

And the opening post in # 2 has a link to a huge amount of quotes from the apostolic Church fathers who agreed with and commented upon the fact of the truth of the Word that the sun indeed circles the earth.

Already seen. You're wrong. Observed it. Tested it. Proven it wrong.

Explain for me, please, geostationary satellites that hang in one place, permanently looking directly down without falling according to the understanding that "what goes up, must come down".

Since everything orbits the earth according to you, if something is to stay off the earth, it must continue to go around the earth. That means they can't stay in one place. And yet they do.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

My testimony is that the entirety of the Scriptures teach a geo-centric creation, from the beginning to the end, and Scripture does not lie.
I am not alone, in that the early Church fathers believed the Scriptures on this matter, and in fact anyone can find their written testimony that proves they believed the Scriptures in this matter.

Perhaps you can discuss your concerns with this gentleman:


Stationary Earth - Page 7

There is NO KINEMATIC DIFFERENCE between the geocentric and heliocentric models.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Any links I post which support the Bible on geo-centrism or the Electric Universe and others are linked only for the Biblical views they actually do prove, and discussion as to the Biblical POV. is my only reason for posting them. I do not agree with all the vies of all of them whether they are Christians or atheists, but the specific matters at hand that do show the Scriptures can be verified as Truth from the beginning in ordinary everyday observations that have been made...

Whether I link is to sites like "The Electric Universe" with Wallace Thornhill, or "Galileo was Wrong, The Church was Right" by Sungenis, or NASA on the "Atmospheric Rivers" [the discovery of atmospheric prove the river in Genesis was out of heaven, in that a river went out of Eden -which is in the third heaven- and watered Paradise and became four heads of four rivers on earth below]; or NASA on "Spaceweather -weather from space" [also proving that Genesis is correct in that all weather comes from space and the stars bring in the seasons and control rains, hail, etc...as the sun controls the heat, etc...], the discussion at hand is the reason I link.

The Bible, OTOH, speaks for itself, and is true from the beginning.

 

[7sForDays]

Do the Jews teach that the sun revolves around the earth??

Id be more apt to their OT interpretation on this perhaps..

Any Jews who care to expound on this??

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Do the Jews teach that the sun revolves around the earth??

Id be more apt to their OT interpretation on this perhaps..

Any Jews who care to expound on this??

It is telling that so many are conditioned to only believe what they think is the concensus opinion, rather than what the Scriptures teach.

The sun stood still, and the moon, and did not go down for not only the rest of the day Joshua commanded it to stand still, but for the entire next day also, until the battle was won.

 

[7sForDays]

It is telling that so many are conditioned to only believe what they think is the concensus opinion, rather than what the Scriptures teach.

The sun stood still, and the moon, and did not go down for not only the rest of the day Joshua commanded it to stand still, but for the entire next day also, until the battle was won.

hey, Im more inclined to believe you and the bible..

We are taught according to man how the solar system works when we are children..


I personally think the Sun revolving around the earth makes sense..

But the Starts move too then, because at night, the heavens also rotate..

with me??

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

Do you mean to say Joseph?

You err in what Egypt was and how long it had been around and when it came into its glory, as to Bible truth.
Egypt is the English for Hebrew Mitzraim, and Mitzraim is a son of Ham, who was on the Ark and brother to Shem.

Gen 10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim [Egypt], and Phut, and Canaan.

Noah died age 950, and lived 350 years after the flood.
About 9 years before Noah died, the tower of Babel fell, when Abraham was about 49.

Mitzraim then built a city named after himself, which became the name of the surrounding land to it, which is "Egypt" today, but "Mitzraim" back then, to them...
So about 241 years after the flood, the tribes scattered, and the patriarchs of the tribes generally named the cities they built when they scattered over the earth after themselves, or after particular happenings they wanted to commemorate.

So Abraham was about 49 when the tower fell and men scattered and began building cities where they scattered to.
Shem lived about 261 years after the tower fell.


Shem died when Jacob was 50.
Isaac was 110 when Shem died.
Isaac died age 180.
Isaac died 7 years before Jacob entered Egypt at age 127.

Joseph had been there already 22 years, and was ruling for 9 years on the throne of Egypt.

The glory of Egypt was the glory Egypt got by Joseph's wise rule for 80 years.

Moses, the son of Jochebed, daughter of Levi, was born 48 years after Joseph died, and Egypt was totally destroyed when Moses was 82; so from the fall of the tower and the scattering of the tribes to Israel's departure from Egypt was only 451 years.

The glory of Egypt and its demise happened in those 451 years, and Joseph led it into its glory while he ruled for 80 years, and Israel built Ramses, as slaves, after Joseph died.

I'm sorry to be uhh.. 20 pages late or whatever but.. no.

Joseph has been guessed to have been in Egypt around 1897 BC. A lot of biblical scholars have deduced that the pharoah he served under was Sesostris III. The big main pyramids that we all know and love took a process of 85 years and were built between 2589 and 2504 BC...which means they've been around for around 700 years or so...


...but this thread isn't a history thread. more like a "science" thread. The bible isn't a science book nor does it prove that God exists. The entire in over the thousands upon thousands of years it took to be written and compiled was under the presupposition that God exists. The bible isn't mean to answer the how in exact detail, but the why it was to begin with.

 

[FlameAlchemist]

My testimony is that the entirety of the Scriptures teach a geo-centric creation, from the beginning to the end, and Scripture does not lie.
I am not alone, in that the early Church fathers believed the Scriptures on this matter, and in fact anyone can find their written testimony that proves they believed the Scriptures in this matter.

Perhaps you can discuss your concerns with this gentleman:


Stationary Earth - Page 7

In the geocentric model, fixed stars all spin around Earth in the same sphere. Thus in a Doppler effect of the geocentric model, all of the fixed stars in the Eastern half of the sky would appear blue shifted and all of the stars in the Western half of the sky would appear red shifted. This is contrary to actual observations. An individual star would be blue shifted the first half of the night and red shifted the second half of the night. This is not what is observed.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

hey, Im more inclined to believe you and the bible..

We are taught according to man how the solar system works when we are children..


I personally think the Sun revolving around the earth makes sense..

But the Starts move too then, because at night, the heavens also rotate..

with me??

Yes.
The Scripture teaches that the heavens circled the earth from the beginning, from before they were stretched out from this earth which was a globe of water before it was "formed", and they were stretched out between the divided in two waters of this creation, with half above the stretched out heavens and half below.
Waters are named "Mayim"; heaven is named "Sha mayim". The original character of the "shin" etymon was the sign for the two front teeth, and means, in this word, "two" waters [the "sh" added before mayim as the name for the "heavens" ]

 

[FlameAlchemist]

I personally think the Sun revolving around the earth makes sense..

Why?

 

[JacobLaw]

hey, Im more inclined to believe you and the bible..

We are taught according to man how the solar system works when we are children..


I personally think the Sun revolving around the earth makes sense..

But the Starts move too then, because at night, the heavens also rotate..

with me??

It really is a good place to start; or the best place to start, one thing that help be get over all those that what to dismiss the bible and believe science over the bible is that all science that declare a heliocentric position base there belief on assumptions, they are all base on assumptions, every so called fact is assumption base.
That will help you through their challenges, not that we need anything other than the bible to believe the truth, but it help me dismiss the error of their thinking.

 

[7sForDays]

Why?

Well, because I dont have the means to verify the physical evidence that refutes the Bible.

Lets be honest, you are part of the haves in this world, or the have nots.


Im a have not, by choice, but it means Im also not privy to the means to verify scientific claims that can only be verified by people that make the claims.

Ive never been to space to visually see the solar system, or watch the earth and how it relates to the sun.

I didnt take the pictures of globular clusters that are computer "enhanced".



I have to take a philisophical stance of subjectivity regarding those things because I cant prove to myself they are true, not with the same level objectivity God has shown me, and thats what its going to take.


I just dont see science for what I used to.

And Im a biologist.

 

[sculleywr]

My testimony is that the entirety of the Scriptures teach a geo-centric creation, from the beginning to the end, and Scripture does not lie. I am not alone, in that the early Church fathers believed the Scriptures on this matter, and in fact anyone can find their written testimony that proves they believed the Scriptures in this matter. Perhaps you can discuss your concerns with this gentleman: Stationary Earth - Page 7

Your testimony is your opinion.

My testimony is hard measurable facts that I have seen with my own two eyeballs, are visible with the natural eyeballs of almost anyone and do not violate the actual meaning of scripture as NOT BEING A SCIENCE TEXTBOOK.

 

[sculleywr]

My testimony is that the entirety of the Scriptures teach a geo-centric creation, from the beginning to the end, and Scripture does not lie. I am not alone, in that the early Church fathers believed the Scriptures on this matter, and in fact anyone can find their written testimony that proves they believed the Scriptures in this matter. Perhaps you can discuss your concerns with this gentleman: Stationary Earth - Page 7

Also, kinematic is not really applicable. If the earth did not rotate, GPS satellites would fall to the earth because what goes up must come down.