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Have y'all noticed that all the really serious religious silliness always seems to originate from folks who are centered in the Old Testament? Kinda makes you go hmmmmmmm.
always seems to originate from folks who are centered in the Old Testament? Kinda makes you go hmmmmmmm.
They overly focus on it. There is nothing wrong with it. There is everything wrong with it being your only source for CHRISTIAN truthWhats wrong with the OT?
How do you "overly" focus on the Bible? New or Old?
How do you "overly" focus on the Bible? New or Old?
What he saidBy neglecting the other.
I'm not here to throw any accusations around, but I could imagine someone who neglects the NT because of an 'obsession' with the OT is not investing their time correctly in regards to reading the Bible.
How do you "overly" focus on the Bible? New or Old?
Morning Kylissa,Whatever the cause, that is really my whole point. What the Bible describes is what appears to be happening, not a textbook description of what actually is happening.
I did actually go back a ways looking for the Scripture for you. I know one was about the sun running it's course through the sky. The other thread has some nearly 70 verses about the sun rising and setting with the intention of proving the earth itself stands still. It's a very busy day for me though, and I couldn't find them quickly. Perhaps whoever posted them first will come back and post them for you. Sorry to have to be unhelpful on this.
Michael is set over the tribe of Israel, and he has a whole army of angels.Deut 4:
19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the Lord thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.
Morning Kylissa,
I am still busy with my project, but wanted to just quickly make a few points about what the Word of God tells us about angels:
They are "angels/Messengers of light". They are stars. Stars are angels/angels are stars.
Light was brought into being on day 1.
They are living beings; the host of heaven; God's armies, and they serve Him as Watchers over earth.
They control the winds, the rain, the storms, the hail, the clouds.
They are each named by God and serve Him.
They bless or curse the earth by the winds and floods and rain for blessing.
Each constellation is a host under one leading star/angel
Their governing over earth is ordained by God, and they are His "powers in the heavens".
They are not suns. The sun is the "greater light". Star light is not sunlight, and stars are not made of a solid form.
The angels of light have their origin of "being" right here, on this globe of water, and before God "stretched out the heavens" on day 2; but the stretching out of the heavens did not make their ordained purpose complete until day 4, when the sun and moon and the planets[/wandering stars with no light in them], were set in the heavens.
When they fall, they fall right back to the earth from which they have their origin.
Dan 8:10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Earth is not a planet.
The devil was never an angel of light, and is the prince of darkness -but he can shape-shift into an angel of light, so as to deceive, tempt, and seduce...His name is also the" Prince of the Satans". Satans are "Sin". They were created to test the holy angels and sons of Adam, to show what the heart of them is. Those who believe their lies become their lawful prey -a curse. Jesus came to set us free from the curse and to restore all things.
Because the focus is removed from Christ. The Bible is about Jesus, that includes the Old Testament. If we are not reading the OT in light of the NT, in light of Christ, then we're probably doing something wrong.
The Old Testament, for Christians, serves basically two purposes:
1) It presents the antecedent history and narrative that leads up to the coming of the Christ and
2) Allows us to see how in the culminating act of God, in the Incarnation, exists the very barycenter of the entire divine drama--the covenants, the promises, from Garden to Calvary it is all about Jesus.
That doesn't mean that we ignore the immediate context don't put the energy in properly exegeting the text to know what the author himself meant; but it does mean that in light of Christ we see Jesus imbedded throughout. Such that when the Prophet Isaiah says a young maiden will conceive, the immediate context is Hezekiah; and yet we see starting with St. Matthew the Evangelist that more than this, it points to Jesus conceived of the virgin Mary. Again, yes of course God gave a certain promise to Abraham that God would give him a child, make a people of his descendents, take them into a land of promise--and He did that very thing through the deliverance of the Israelites out from Egypt; and yet St. Paul is clear, that the Seed of Promise is Christ, and we through faith in Christ are Abraham's children, Jew and Gentile alike. That it is by Christ that God makes Abraham the father of many nations, it is by Christ that through Abraham God will bless the world, it is Christ who will be a light to all men, etc.
But if the center of our religion isn't Christ, but rather our religion is first and foremost informed by the Old Testament, then we're doing it wrong. The result isn't Christianity, but a sort of odd "biblicism" without the heart and soul of what makes Scripture Holy Scripture--our Lord Jesus Christ, the Divine, Eternal, and Incarnate Logos.
Without Christ Scripture is worthless.
-CryptoLutheran
The OT is literally the entire story and prophecy that points directly to Christ.
It literally started here, in Genesis..
Gen_3:15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."
The OT is literally the entire story and prophecy that points directly to Christ.
It literally started here, in Genesis..
Gen_3:15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."
The earth does not wobble, tilt, spin, rotate, revolve or move.Well, this is a frightening thought if geocentrism is true; if so then, we have some explaining to do as to how the earth got a wobble in it and how it got to spinning, and knocked out of orbit.
And, if God has any plans to restore geocentrism when the New Jerusalem comes down then, perhaps the earth comes to a screeching halt and fall into a corner pocket or what?
The amount of time in a day has increased by several minutes a day. Also, we have seen the earth rotating. You are wrong. You ignore science because your personal opinion is more important than reality.yeshuasavedme said:The earth does not wobble, tilt, spin, rotate, revolve or move. The sun has a path it follows that God ordained for it in the "circle/heavens of the earth. The Book of Enoch on the Geocentric creation and the calendar and how the year is completed in perfect justice in 360 days, with 4 stop days are added as to their number, at the end of the year to make a perfect 364 day year, from the beginning and forever. God's calendar year begins with spring equinox as measured from the belly button of the earth: Jerusalem. A day begins with sunset and is counted in 18 moments of light and dark. At Spring equinox, the day has equal parts of light and dark. At summer solstice, the day has 12 parts, and the night 6 parts, so the day is twice as long as the night for one complete "Day". The moments are counted for the days, with 4 stop days at the head of each season which are not counted nor are those days listed in the numbering of months, but those stop days are added at the end of the year, and because the moments of them are not counted when they are "stops", the years is perfectly completed in 52 weeks, and with the 4 stop days added, in 364 days. The the sun is back at the 4th portal to come forth for a brand new year.. In God's calendar every anniversary of every year always on the same day of the week, year after year. IF you were born on a Weds, then your B-day anniversary will always be on a Weds. In God's calendar, Passover is always 14 days after spring equinox, and is always on the 4th day of the week, and the anniversary of the resurrection of Christ Jesus is always as sun sets and the 1st day of the week draws on. So the anniversary of the Passover this year was our March 31st, and Resurrection anniversary was April 3. But God will set the counting of the years and numbering of the weeks all right, when Jesus returns and restores all things -even the counting of the years in perfect justice. At spring equinox the sun goes forth out of the 4th portal established for its course and continues round, east to west, and swings to the north, back to the same portal opening in the east.... The Book of Enoch, Translated by Robert H. Charles, 1912 The Geocentric Calendar Book* (Chapters 72-82) Time From Now Until the New Creation 4And first there goes forth the great luminary, named the Sun, and his circumference is like the circumference of the heaven, and he is quite filled with illuminating and heating fire. 5The chariot on which he ascends, the wind drives, and the sun goes down from the heaven and returns through the north in order to reach the east, and is so guided that he comes to that portal and shines in the face of the heaven. 6In this way he rises in the first month in the great portal, which is the fourth those six portals in the east. 7And in that fourth portal from which the sun rises in the first month are twelve window-openings, from which proceed a flame when they are opened in their season. 8When the sun rises in the heaven, he comes forth through that fourth portal thirty mornings in succession, and sets accurately in the fourth portal in the west of the heaven. 9And during this period the day becomes daily longer and the night nightly shorter to the thirtieth morning. 10On that day the day is longer than the night by a ninth part, and the day amounts exactly to ten parts and the night to eight parts. 11And the sun rises from that fourth portal, and sets in the fourth and returns to the fifth portal of the east thirty mornings, and rises from it and sets in the fifth portal. 12And then the day becomes longer by two parts and amounts to eleven parts, and the night becomes shorter and amounts to seven parts. 13And it returns to the east and enters into the sixth portal, and rises and sets in the sixth portal one-and-thirty mornings on account of its sign. 14On that day the day becomes longer than the night, and the day becomes double the night, and the day becomes twelve parts, and the night is shortened and becomes six parts. 15And the sun mounts up to make the day shorter and the night longer, and the sun returns to the east and enters into the sixth portal, and rises from it and sets thirty mornings. 16And when thirty mornings are accomplished, the day decreases by exactly one part, and becomes eleven parts, and the night seven. 17And the sun goes forth from that sixth portal in the west, and goes to the east and rises in the fifth portal for thirty mornings, and sets in the west again in the fifth western portal. 18On that day the day decreases by two parts, and amounts to ten parts and the night to eight parts. 19And the sun goes forth from that fifth portal and sets in the fifth portal of the west, and rises in the fourth portal for one-and-thirty mornings on account of its sign, and sets in the west. 20On that day the day is equalized with the night, and becomes of equal length, and the night amounts to nine parts and the day to nine parts. 21And the sun rises from that portal and sets in the west, and returns to the east and rises thirty mornings in the third portal and sets in the west in the third portal. 22And on that day the night becomes longer than the day, and night becomes longer than night, and day shorter than day till the thirtieth morning, and the night amounts exactly to ten parts and the day to eight parts. 23And the sun rises from that third portal and sets in the third portal in the west and returns to the east, and for thirty mornings rises in the second portal in the east, and in like manner sets in the second portal in the west of the heaven. 24And on that day the night amounts to eleven parts and the day to seven parts. 25And the sun rises on that day from that second portal and sets in the west in the second portal, and returns to the east into the first portal for one-and-thirty mornings, and sets in the first portal in the west of the heaven. 26And on that day the night becomes longer and amounts to the double of the day: and the night amounts exactly to twelve parts and the day to six. 27And the sun has therewith traversed the divisions of his orbit and turns again on those divisions of his orbit, and enters that portal thirty mornings and sets also in the west opposite to it. 28And on that night has the night decreased in length by a ninth part, and the night has become eleven parts and the day seven parts. 29And the sun has returned and entered into the second portal in the east, and returns on those his divisions of his orbit for thirty mornings, rising and setting. 30And on that day the night decreases in length, and the night amounts to ten parts and the day to eight. 31And on that day the sun rises from that portal, and sets in the west, and returns to the east, and rises in the third portal for one-and-thirty mornings, and sets in the west of the heaven. 32On that day the night decreases and amounts to nine parts, and the day to nine parts, and the night is equal to the day and the year is exactly as to its days three hundred and sixty-four. 33And the length of the day and of the night, and the shortness of the day and of the night arise- through the course of the sun these distinctions are made. 34So it comes that its course becomes daily longer, and its course nightly shorter. 35And this is the law and the course of the sun, and his return as often as he returns sixty times and rises, that is the great luminary which is named the sun, for ever and ever. 36And that which thus rises is the great luminary, and is so named according to its appearance, according as the Lord commanded. 37As he rises, so he sets and decreases not, and rests not, but runs day and night, and his light is sevenfold brighter than that of the moon; but as regards size they are both equal.
Have y'all noticed that all the really serious religious silliness always seems to originate from folks who are centered in the Old Testament? Kinda makes you go hmmmmmmm.