The Sun Revolves Around The Earth: Scripture Cannot Lie

[Gnarwhal]

I personally suspect that such an argument as we find on this thread is actually a 'fishing expedition'. In this particular case it's using geocentricity as its 'bait', but such expeditions have used various 'bait' in order to hook the unwary. It's an attempt to ensnare the gullible among us, convincing them that what we all know to be nonsense is actually factual. Those who accept this particular nonsense are then presented with other nonsense which they are ordered to accept until the real purpose for such an expedition becomes apparent. Atheists have used this same tactic as the means of mocking Christians, claiming that we will accept any nonsense that camouflages itself as Holy Writ ("If they'll believe that someone who was born 2,000 years ago is still alive today, they'll believe anything we throw at them if we disguise it as Scripture!"). We must remain constantly vigilant for the wolves who disguise themselves as sheep.

I'd be inclined to agree if she was a new user, but she's been peddling this poison for a long time.

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[yeshuasavedme]

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Funny, I don't recall center being anywhere in Genesis 1. .

Do read it...
And continue reading all the way through, and see light is the power that runs the creation.
And yes, the heavens are stretched out from this earth and circle it from the beginning -before it was named earth- and stretched out between the divided in two waters/Mayim of the globe, and the firmament/named heavens/shamayim stretched out in strories from this earth -which is the center of the universe, then, from whence the heavens have their origin -and issue forth, as it says in the Hebrew in Isaiah, I think it is...
He named Sha -Mayim/ two waters, and the dry was called to appear from the waters on day 3, and the waters were commanded to be gathered together in one place, and the dry He named Earth/Eretz.

As to the sun: the sun governs the light by day and the moon by night, but the moon only receives its light in measured portions from the sun.....so the sun is the total light recepticle of the created Light/power of creation which is transferred to it by the electric stars, and refracted back out in great power to everything under heaven, as the Psalm says.
the created light includes every diminsion and type of light waves: The sun governs it all, takes it in, and refracts it out in great powers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z26taV9SWc
Isa 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

Jer 10:12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.

sa 42:5
Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

 

[Jipsah]

And the sun is electric, as the stars are.

Really? Gimme the Scripture on that, por favor.

But what did God say about His sun? He said it is a menorah/candlestick

A candlestick made out of what? Pewter? Gold? Bronze? And what kind of candle? Tallow? From what critter? Beeswax? Took a lot of bees then, I reckon, and/or some really really big ones.

it does not manufacture the light

Really? A candle does. So does that mean that you believe the Scripture lied about the sun being a candlestick, or about it not making the light? One of the two must be a lie.

gets it from outside itself

Where from? And shouldn't we be able to see the light source directly?

The sun governs the light brought into being on day 1, in the electric universe.

Your Bible seems to talk a lot about electricity, but mine mentions it not at all. How do you account for that?

The sun is also the place where God set His created temple

Oh yes, "in the sun". My dog, Squeelah, likes to lie "in the sun", as well.

, as He says in the Word.

I believe it. I just don't believe that God has ensconced Himself inside the sun and more than I believe that Squeelah likes to lie inside the sun.

When Enoch went into that temple, he said it was cold as ice and hot as fire, and there were no delights of life therein.

"Enoch" also seems to have said a great many other things that aren't true. Just sayin'...

Enoch said it was made of tessellated crystal, which is cut diamonds, and pillars of fire, which are angels of power.

Such wow.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Which is a ridiculous premise to begin with.

We pretty much all agree with that.

Not "universe", really, just "solar system". The Earth orbits around the sun. God designed it so. If you're unhappy with that fact, take it up with the management.

It is a very basic doctrine of the Word of God, repeated so many times in so many ways that it is really a bold and brazen thing to deny it as Bible fact.

The creation does not teach a "solar system", but stretched out heavens under the half of the waters of this globe which were raised above them when they were stretched out, from this globe/earth. The Greek also uses the word Cosmos, translated world, and that includes the entire creation, as far as it is stretched out to.

The light began right here on this globe, also, in its being called into being on day 2, before the heavens were even stretched out -and the light was stretched out with the heavens on day 2.

The stars that fall to earth in the tribulation fall right back here to this earth from where they had their origin, in the beginning.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Your Bible seems to talk a lot about electricity, but mine mentions it not at all. How do you account for that?
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By your blindness or else your willful ignorance...only you know for sure

Lightnings:
KJV Translation Count — Total: 21x

One can get electric power from the heavens, and from the earth, and even from their own body -the ancients did; but I digress. In modern times, Tesla did.
Ever hear of Tesla or read about his getting electric power from the earth and from the air/heaven?

http://www.mikebrownsolutions.com/tesla-lightning.htm Tesla was the first electrical engineer to harness the awesome power of nature at Niagara Falls. In 1910 he tried to take harnessing the power of nature one step further. He designed a system to harness the power of lightning. J. P. Morgan shut him down.

 

[ForJesusChrist]

I do have to say that I do believe the earth is the center of the universe. I didn't until I started reading the Bible more.

In my opinion, there is no way to prove the earth is rotating.

Can you physically see it moving? Have you seen it spin? If it appears to be 'spinning' from space, how can you prove that its not just the object/moon/where ever you are moving?

The earth is the perfect place, and maybe the only place, life exists in the universe. Leads me to think every other thing (sun, moon, planets) rotate around earth.

Just my opinion.

God Bless †

 

[ForJesusChrist]

Sorry the thing double posted.

God Bless †

 

[sculleywr]

Do read it...
And continue reading all the way through, and see light is the power that runs the creation.
And yes, the heavens are stretched out from this earth and circle it from the beginning -before it was named earth- and stretched out between the divided in two waters/Mayim of the globe, and the firmament/named heavens/shamayim stretched out in strories from this earth -which is the center of the universe, then, from whence the heavens have their origin -and issue forth, as it says in the Hebrew in Isaiah, I think it is...
He named Sha -Mayim/ two waters, and the dry was called to appear from the waters on day 3, and the waters were commanded to be gathered together in one place, and the dry He named Earth/Eretz.

As to the sun: the sun governs the light by day and the moon by night, but the moon only receives its light in measured portions from the sun.....so the sun is the total light recepticle of the created Light/power of creation which is transferred to it by the electric stars, and refracted back out in great power to everything under heaven, as the Psalm says.
the created light includes every diminsion and type of light waves: The sun governs it all, takes it in, and refracts it out in great powers.

Electric Sun - Plasma cosmology "Electric Sun" Star model Vs thermonuclear reactor core model fails - YouTube
Isa 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

Jer 10:12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.

sa 42:5
Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

You have no science. You have only a bunch of abused passages of Scripture being made to say what they don't say.

The heavens are stretched out OVER the earth. Not from the earth. It doesn't say from the earth.

Please, do not witness to people of this farce of the scripture, for the gospel has nothing to do with geocentrism.

 

[sculleywr]

I do have to say that I do believe the earth is the center of the universe. I didn't until I started reading the Bible more.

In my opinion, there is no way to prove the earth is rotating.

Can you physically see it moving? Have you seen it spin? If it appears to be 'spinning' from space, how can you prove that its not just the object/moon/where ever you are moving?

The earth is the perfect place, and maybe the only place, life exists in the universe. Leads me to think every other thing (sun, moon, planets) rotate around earth.

Just my opinion.

God Bless †

Yes, people can and have seen it rotating, while they were placing mirrors on the moon, or while they stand up in the international space station. Over 300 people have physically seen the earth move. Beyond that, the magnetic field works according to Faraday's Law, which is a description of the relationship between electricity and magnetism. If you spin iron fast enough, it creates a strong magnetic field. Without the iron core of the earth spinning as fast as it does, you would be a baked good, roasted by the sun's intense heat. This heat is why astronauts have to wear special suits.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I do have to say that I do believe the earth is the center of the universe. I didn't until I started reading the Bible more.

In my opinion, there is no way to prove the earth is rotating.

Can you physically see it moving? Have you seen it spin? If it appears to be 'spinning' from space, how can you prove that its not just the object/moon/where ever you are moving?

The earth is the perfect place, and maybe the only place, life exists in the universe. Leads me to think every other thing (sun, moon, planets) rotate around earth.

Just my opinion.

God Bless †

Which opinion you based on the Truth of Scripture...and that is His revelation to you, and you will see more and more as you continue to read the Word, that you never saw before, because, like me, we were raised in deceit in the schools and we were taught lies about God's creation from deceitfully blinded -and willfully blinded- men.


The atmosphere is the "face" of the heavens in which the fowl fly, in the Scripture, but when you go outside that, the ether is the circle of the earth which circles it once every 24 hours =once a day, and in that ether, in the electric universe, the stars/constellations, and the planets/wandering stars with no light of their own, and the sun and moon have their own peculiar orbits/paths courses to run, which are designed to measure God's years and bring in His times and seasons. They are the powers in the heavens which control the winds, the seasons, the days and nights, the hail, the rains, and all things that contribute to making this earth -and its stretched out heavens- a home for our Adam race and for the creatures He created for us to have dominion over, on this earth, and for the angels and creatures in His Mount Eden, which is where Paradise is, in the third story of His stretched out heavens..

 

[sculleywr]

By your blindness or else your willful ignorance...only you know for sure

Lightnings:
KJV Translation Count — Total: 21x

One can get electric power from the heavens, and from the earth, and even from their own body -the ancients did; but I digress. In modern times, Tesla did.
Ever hear of Tesla or read about his getting electric power from the earth and from the air/heaven?

Lightning is just a form of electricity, but it is far from saying the universe is electric.

Also, Tesla didn't get squat from the air. Tesla created electricity by using an Alternating Current (AC) to power powerful electric capacitors that stored the electricity generated by two gas generators. That electricity jumped across the air as a result of the negative charge of the antennae becoming so negative that it acheived a potential high enough to overcome the natural electrical resistance of the air, just like lightning.

 

[ForJesusChrist]

Yes, people can and have seen it rotating, while they were placing mirrors on the moon, or while they stand up in the international space station. Over 300 people have physically seen the earth move. Beyond that, the magnetic field works according to Faraday's Law, which is a description of the relationship between electricity and magnetism. If you spin iron fast enough, it creates a strong magnetic field. Without the iron core of the earth spinning as fast as it does, you would be a baked good, roasted by the sun's intense heat. This heat is why astronauts have to wear special suits.

But how can you prove the earth itself was in motion. Was it tracked? Was it observed? It cannot be literally proven, in my opinion.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

You have no science. You have only a bunch of abused passages of Scripture being made to say what they don't say.

The heavens are stretched out OVER the earth. Not from the earth. It doesn't say from the earth.

Please, do not witness to people of this farce of the scripture, for the gospel has nothing to do with geocentrism.

The heavens were stretched out from the earth, between the divided in two waters of this earth, which was created as a globe of water, unformed, but with all the elements for furnishing the earth and the heavens within it, and created in darkness. The waters were divided in two and the heavens of this earth's creation were stretched out in stories from this earth, on day 2, between the waters of this earth's creation..


The waters above the heavens are the waters of this created globe -named Earth.
Why do you deny that Scriptural fact, or is it blindness to not see it?

 

[sculleywr]

But how can you prove the earth itself was in motion. Was it tracked? Was it observed? It cannot be literally proven, in my opinion.

Umm, to observe something is to WATCH it with your eyes.

It has been observed. Every person who has been in space has seen the earth rotating. For your reference, here is a list of every person who has been high enough in space to see the earth rotate:
List of space travelers by name - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[sculleywr]

The heavens were stretched out from the earth, between the divided in two waters of this earth, which was created as a globe of water, unformed, but with all the elements for furnishing the earth and the heavens within it, and created in darkness. The waters were divided in two and the heavens of this earth's creation were stretched out in stories from this earth, on day 2, between the waters of this earth's creation..


The waters above the heavens are the waters of this created globe -named Earth.
Why do you deny that Scriptural fact, or is it blindness to not see it?

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Scripture says NONE of that. You add to scripture. Scripture says the heavens were stretched out, but not from the earth. None of them say "from the earth".

 

[ForJesusChrist]

Either way, what does it matter. Does the sun being the center of the universe save lives? Does it help me get a job? Would it help prevent cancer?

Its the least of my worries.

God Bless

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Lightning is just a form of electricity, but it is far from saying the universe is electric.

Also, Tesla didn't get squat from the air. Tesla created electricity by using an Alternating Current (AC) to power powerful electric capacitors that stored the electricity generated by two gas generators. That electricity jumped across the air as a result of the negative charge of the antennae becoming so negative that it acheived a potential high enough to overcome the natural electrical resistance of the air, just like lightning.

I do not think you have read Tesla's work, as I have [not all, but enough], for you err...
The electric power is in the earth, in the air, in everything that is....
Tesla understood how to harness it, and he did.
So did the ancients -even Noah built a "shining like the noon sun light" in the Ark, to light it without a power source other than getting the power out of the atmosphere. The word "toshar" is translated "window" in the English, in Genesis 6:16, but it was not a "window" and was a bright shining refractor of light it gathered from the air...apparently -as the Egyptians and other ancient peoples also did for many years after the flood...til dark ages set them back....

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Scripture says NONE of that. You add to scripture. Scripture says the heavens were stretched out, but not from the earth. None of them say "from the earth".

The heavens were stretched out from this very earth, between the divided in two waters of this earth's creation....
Sorry you cannot see that. It is really plain.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Either way, what does it matter. Does the sun being the center of the universe save lives? Does it help me get a job? Would it help prevent cancer?

Its the least of my worries.

God Bless

Do you need a job?

 

[ForJesusChrist]

Do you need a job?

No why do you ask?

God Bless