The Sin of Eve

[oikonomia]

When Adam and Eve ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil they had two problems.

1.) They disobeyed God and became transfressors.
2.) They got poisoned

It is like a parent who warns her child not to drink in a certain bottle of liquid which is forbidden to them to drink.
One problem is that when the child disobeys the child has transgressed the command of the mother.
The other problem is that poison has entered into the chiild's system.

Possibly, (though I could not be too dogmatic about it,) what happened to Adam and his wife is like what happened to
Judas when after the morsal he ate in hypocrisy Satan entered into him.

"And after the morsal, Satan then entered into him. Jesus said then to him, What you do, do more quickly." (John 13:27)

 

[Neogaia777]

I think as long as she did not EAT of it, she had not crossed the line that God had established.

Not necessarily, Adam might have thought that she might have already stood condemned maybe already after she just simply touched it or took it maybe, etc...?

God Bless!

 

[oikonomia]

Haha! Yes, it does make us wonder, doesn't it?

Reading somewhat between the lines, perhaps them not being together was a problem.
I didn't say a sin, but a problem which the serpent took advantage of.

I think probably for a considerable time the subtle enemy thought about HOW he could work his mischief.
Waiting for the opportune time when the wife was off and away from her husband may have been the moment the serpent decided to strike.

 

[Neogaia777]

When Adam and Eve ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil they had two problems.

1.) They disobeyed God and became transfressors.
2.) They got poisoned

It is like a parent who warns her child not to drink in a certain bottle of liquid which is forbidden to them to drink.
One problem is that when the child disobeys the child has transgressed the command of the mother.
The other problem is that poison has entered into the chiild's system.

Possibly, (though I could not be too dogmatic about it,) what happened to Adam and his wife is like what happened to
Judas when after the morsal he ate in hypocrisy Satan entered into him.

"And after the morsal, Satan then entered into him. Jesus said then to him, What you do, do more quickly." (John 13:27)

The Bible doesn't say that the serpent was inside of Eve, so I don't necessarily know for sure, etc, but I find it more likely that the serpent (at that time) was a creature or being that was maybe on the outside of both Adam and Eve, etc.

God Bless!

 

[YahuahSaves]

Reading somewhat between the lines, perhaps them not being together was a problem.
I didn't say a sin, but a problem which the serpent took advantage of.

I think probably for a considerable time the subtle enemy thought about HOW he could work his mischief.
Waiting for the opportune time when the wife was off and away from her husband may have been the moment the serpent decided to strike.

Possibly, but as I've stated in the conversation I had with Neogaia777, I have found (currently) no credible version of the Holy Bible to support this assumption... the text simply says, "So she took some of the fruit and ate it. Then she gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it, too."

 

[oikonomia]

Not necessarily, Adam might have thought that she might have already stood condemned maybe already after she just simply touched it or took it maybe, etc...?

God Bless!

Amen. Thankyou.

I have thought about that.
Possibly, the direct command came first to Adam before the woman had been formed.

When he told her and she inquired, he may have emphsized something like this - "No, we are not to eat of it nor even touch it." (see Gen. 3:3)
That could have been an added measure for double protection - have nothing to DO with that forbidden tree.

This is of course speculating over the details the Father reveals to us there.
But the command from God to Adam was the definite line in the sand.

"And Jehovah God commanded theman, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may eat freely, But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, of it you shall not eat; for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." (Gen 2:16,17)

The Lord be with your spirit.

 

[Neogaia777]

Possibly, but as I've stated in the conversation I had with Neogaia777, I have found (currently) no credible version of the Holy Bible to support this assumption... the text simply says, "So she took some of the fruit and ate it. Then she gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it, too."

You and I have been around this mulberry bush already, etc...

I suggest people do their own research both in the Bible and on the internet to see what they think is true for them, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

I have thought about that.
Possibly, the direct command came first to Adam before the woman had been formed.

Scripture actually does talk about the original command being given to him (Adam) after he was made and before Eve came to be in Genesis 2, so that Eve was maybe not around when the first command about it was first given to maybe only Adam first only maybe, etc.

God Bless!

 

[GodsGrace101]

Yes but religion over the centuries have blamed Eve. That was my point. The OP seems to take this view when he asks "when did eve become evil?" and asks if she's in the same league as Lucifer.

I agree.
But I don't put the blame at 50/50%.

Adam was fully responsible.
A more interesting question might be:
Why did HE eat of the forbidden fruit?

 

[oikonomia]

Possibly, but as I've stated in the conversation I had with Neogaia777, I have found (currently) no credible version of the Holy Bible to support this assumption... the text simply says, "So she took some of the fruit and ate it. Then she gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it, too."

The details to this degree are not given.
So, we know in part and we can only speak of it in part.

Was Adam standing right there during the conversation with the serpent? I don't know.

 

[YahuahSaves]

The Bible doesn't say that the serpent was inside of Eve, so I don't necessarily know for sure, etc, but I find it more likely that the serpent (at that time) was a creature or being that was maybe on the outside of both Adam and Eve, etc.

God Bless!

You make an interesting point, it makes me think of an idea I had in our earlier conversation (this is purely speculation), but we know as Christians the enemy can attack the mind (in our thoughts) and possibly, the serpent spoke to Eve this way without Adam overhearing the conversation. (Which could account for him just passively being there with her).

The problem with that theory though, is for the enemy to attack her mind, she would've had to have the sin nature already right? The knowledge of Good and Evil?

Not to mention, the enemy being described as a serpent (which makes one think of a snake) but God curses Satan and tells him he'll be crawling on his belly from now on... does this mean the snake actually looked like a lizard? It's quite a strange story.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Amen. Thankyou.

I have thought about that.
Possibly, the direct command came first to Adam before the woman had been formed.

When he told her and she inquired, he may have emphsized something like this - "No, we are not to eat of it nor even touch it." (see Gen. 3:3)
That could have been an added measure for double protection - have nothing to DO with that forbidden tree.

This is of course speculating over the details the Father reveals to us there.
But the command from God to Adam was the definite line in the sand.

"And Jehovah God commanded theman, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may eat freely, But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, of it you shall not eat; for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." (Gen 2:16,17)

The Lord be with your spirit.

See post 74.

 

[YahuahSaves]

I agree.
But I don't put the blame at 50/50%.

Adam was fully responsible.
A more interesting question might be:
Why did HE eat of the forbidden fruit?

Yeah, what's your take on it? He just couldn't resist the wiles of his woman?

 

[GodsGrace101]

Yeah, what's your take on it? He just couldn't resist the wiles of his woman?

Maybe...LOL
A permeating thought is that Eve had already eaten of the fruit.
Adam love her and she was, reallly, the only other human.
Feeling that she was already lost, he didn't want her to be alone.
What if SHE died and HE didn't?
§So, basically, he ate of it too in order to remain with his wife.
Remember, she would have died - but not Adam, unless he also ate.

But, of course, we can't know for sure and this is only speculation by scholars.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Maybe...LOL
A permeating thought is that Eve had already eaten of the fruit.
Adam love her and she was, reallly, the only other human.
Feeling that she was already lost, he didn't want her to be alone.
What if SHE died and HE didn't?
§So, basically, he ate of it too in order to remain with his wife.
Remember, she would have died - but not Adam, unless he also ate.

But, of course, we can't know for sure and this is only speculation by scholars.

Aww that's a sweet view... actually I believe I heard a preacher on YouTube say the same thing once, just like one had said Eve just admired God the Father, and wanted to be more like him.

 

[Neogaia777]

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You make an interesting point, it makes me think of an idea I had in our earlier conversation (this is purely speculation), but we know as Christians the enemy can attack the mind (in our thoughts) and possibly, the serpent spoke to Eve this way without Adam overhearing the conversation. (Which could account for him just passively being there with her).

The problem with that theory though, is for the enemy to attack her mind, she would've had to have the sin nature already right? The knowledge of Good and Evil?

Not to mention, the enemy being described as a serpent (which makes one think of a snake) but God curses Satan and tells him he'll be crawling on his belly from now on... does this mean the snake actually looked like a lizard? It's quite a strange story.

What the original creature was, we do not know, but I think it might have had to be outside of them both at the time maybe, etc...?

But then again, I suppose both of them could have been in the general vicinity of each other maybe, if they did talk to each other, and the other animals and creatures, in and with their minds maybe, and Adam just wasn't paying direct attention to Eve while this was happening or going on at the time maybe, etc...?

Either way, I don't think Adam would have been doing absolutely nothing while the serpent was doing what he was doing with Eve if Adam was fully and totally aware of it actively going on with her the entire time, etc...?

God Bless!

 

[2PhiloVoid]

You make an interesting point, it makes me think of an idea I had in our earlier conversation (this is purely speculation), but we know as Christians the enemy can attack the mind (in our thoughts) and possibly, the serpent spoke to Eve this way without Adam overhearing the conversation. (Which could account for him just passively being there with her).

The problem with that theory though, is for the enemy to attack her mind, she would've had to have the sin nature already right? The knowledge of Good and Evil?

Not to mention, the enemy being described as a serpent (which makes one think of a snake) but God curses Satan and tells him he'll be crawling on his belly from now on... does this mean the snake actually looked like a lizard? It's quite a strange story.

Who knows what "the Serpent" looked liked or what he represented exactly? Maybe the author of Genesis (Moses?) was alluding to an ideological caricature along these lines:

 

[oikonomia]

The Bible doesn't say that the serpent was inside of Eve, so I don't necessarily know for sure, etc, but I find it more likely that the serpent (at that time) was a creature or being that was maybe on the outside of both Adam and Eve, etc.

God Bless!

The entrance of sin as a nature came from that point. (Romans 5:12)

In the following story of Cain and Abel SIN is lurking at the door of Cain's heart.

"And Jehovah said to Cain, Why are you angry, and why has your countenance fallen?
If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up?
And if you do not do well, SIN is crouching at the door; and his desire is for you, but you must master him." (Gen. 4:6,7)

If you compare this with the whole of Romans 7, you should see that sin like an evil personified person is in the fallen body.
Ie. "Now then it is no longer I that work it out but sin that dwells in me. For I know that in me, that is in my flesh, nothing good dwells for to will is present with me, but to work out the good is not," (Rom. 7:18,19)

Sin had entered into Adam and all of his descendents. And this is related to the evil spirit in the air operating in the sons of disobedience.

"And you, though dead in your offenses and sins, In which you once walked according to the age of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, of the spirit which is now operating in the sons of disobedience." (Eph. 2:1,2)

Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel were all of early humans in whom the ruler if the air and evil spirit was operating in them. And sin had become part of their nature inwardly.

 

[Neogaia777]

The entrance of sin as a nature came from that point. (Romans 5:12)

In the following story of Cain and Abel SIN is lurking at the door of Cain's heart.

"And Jehovsh said to Cain, Why are you angry, and why has your countenance fallen?
If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up?
And if you do not do well, SIN is crouching at the door; and his desire is for you, but you must master him." (Gen. 4:6,7)

If you compare this with the whole of Romans 7, you should see that sin like an evil personified person is in the fallen body.
Ie. "Now then it is no longer I that work it out but sin that dwells in me. For I know that in me, thta is in my flesh, nothing good dwellsl for to will is present with me, nit to work out the good is not," (Rom. 7:18,19)

Sin had entered into Adam and all of his descendents. And this is related to the evil spirit in the air operating in the sons of disobedience.

"And you, though dead in your offenses and sins, In which you once walked according to the age of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, of the spirit which is now operating in he sons of disobedience." (Eph. 2:1,2)

Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel were all of early humans in whom the ruler if the air and evil spirit was operating in them. And sin had become part of their nature inwardly.

Having the sin nature still doesn't equate to having Satan enter into you all of the sudden, and at a sudden time, for that time though, to either have you do, or not do, a certain thing at that time temporarily though, etc.

Satan is not an omnipresent being, etc.

God Bless!

 

[oikonomia]

The Bible doesn't say that the serpent was inside of Eve, so I don't necessarily know for sure, etc, but I find it more likely that the serpent (at that time) was a creature or being that was maybe on the outside of both Adam and Eve, etc.

God Bless!

I didn't believe the phsycial serpent got into the people.
The evil spirit in the air is now, since then, operating in the sons of disobedience (Eph. 2:2)