The Sin of Eve

[Neogaia777]

I didn't believe the phsycial serpent got into the people.
The evil spirit in the air is now, since then, operating in the sons of disobedience (Eph. 2:2)

See post #99 just now.

God Bless!

 

[oikonomia]

Having the sin nature still doesn't equate to having Satan enter into you all of the sudden, and at a sudden time, for that time though, to have you do or not do a certain thing temporarily though, etc.

Satan is not omnipresent, etc.

God Bless!

I didn't say Satan was omnipresent.

It was a relief to me to understand that sin as a nature - an evil personified thing, is in my fallen body.
Romans 7 says this causes great self condemntion, let alone condemnation from the law of God.

"Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from the body of this death?" (Rom. 7:24)

The solution - in brief is in the following verse 25.

"Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord! So with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the FLESH . . . , the law of sin." (v.25)

 

[oikonomia]

See post 74.

OK. Give me a moment.

 

[oikonomia]

The NT blames Adam for the fall.
Adam is the federal head of humanity - not Eve.
The first man fell - the 2nd Adam (man) saved us.
God made the Edenic covenant with Adam- not with Eve.
Humanity fell when Adam ate of the fruit and disobeyed the covenant he made with God - which was conditional on his obedience.
Thus the curses after God banished them from the Garden.

I can see that the man Adam is held by the NT in greater responsibility.
But you do not think God's commands and ordination was for Adam and his wife?

"Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth . . . " (Gen. 1:28) was said to "them."

"And God blessed them; and God said to them, Be fruitful and multiply, . . . etc. etc."

 

[oikonomia]

Well, it says that Eve did not even find the tree or it's fruit even desirable until the serpent tempted her, etc...?

Surely, it was a downward slide.

This much is useful to us because we are faced with the same enticements.
As Christians we have to run to OUR Husband, the Lord Jesus.

When we see trouble coming, we ought not to imagine we can deal with it ourselves.
We have to turn to the Lord Jesus in our innermost spiritual being.

Our Husband will quickly dispense with the subtle one. We dare not take him on alone as Eve attempted.

Don't know about Adam, but even if he did before that, he wasn't about to disobey God about it until after what had already happened with Eve, etc...

Yes, Paul says he was not deceived. It is something to think about - this deliberate caving in to temptation.
May the Lord help us to live by the second man - the last Adam who has come to live in us as a life giving Holy Spirit.

"the last Adam became a life giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45)

 

[GodsGrace101]

Aww that's a sweet view... actually I believe I heard a preacher on YouTube say the same thing once, just like one had said Eve just admired God the Father, and wanted to be more like him.

Yes. Another idea is that the devil convinced her that God told them not to eat because God was afraid they would become like Him.
But this goes more to why Eve ate the fruit and not why Adam ate the fruit.
Like I said, we can only wonder why.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Knowledge of evil doesn't make a person evil

We all have the knowledge of good and evil. The ability to
choose only good is what makes God all good. Eve, out
of pride wanted to possess that ability, not for the good of
anyone else, but to satisfy her own ego. In our fallen
state, we often choose evil thinking it will be a good for
us, only to suffer the consequences for our choice.

Dr Jordan Peterson, a clinical psychologist says that
in all of his years treating people, he has learned that
no one gets away with making wrong choices. He said
that one of the therapies that psychologists use is to
get the person to reflect on their current situation, and
look back on their lives. Eventually, the person comes
to the crossroad where they made the wrong decision.
It's from there they begin to heal themselves.

I suppose it's what reflection and examination of conscience
is all about.

 

[GodsGrace101]

I can see that the man Adam is held by the NT in greater responsibility.
But you do not think God's commands and ordination was for Adam and his wife?

"Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth . . . " (Gen. 1:28) was said to "them."

"And God blessed them; and God said to them, Be fruitful and multiply, . . . etc. etc."

No.
God told THEM to be fruitful and multiply.
But God told only Adam to obey and not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
See
Genesis 2:15-17
15The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.
16And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;
17but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Eve was not even created yet.
See verse 18...

18The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

 

[oikonomia]

No.
God told THEM to be fruitful and multiply.
But God told only Adam to obey and not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
See
Genesis 2:15-17
15The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.
16And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;
17but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Eve was not even created yet.
See verse 18...

18The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

I am not sure there is any disagreement really. Maybe a little.
Genesis 2:15-17 cannot be totally separated from Gen. 1:27,28 though it is a distinct passage.
What reason would there be for thinking they have nothing to do with each other?

Adam is the man's name.
Adam is also the family's name.

The man was the head and bears it seems the greater burden of responsibility for the fall.
The wife was his helpmeet, counterpart, match, etc.
Bones of his bone - flesh of his flesh, fully taken out of the man.

They must cooperate together in obedience and vision.

The man has authority over the wife's body.
But the wife also has authority over the husband's body. Very mutual. (1 Cor. 7:4).

 

[oikonomia]

18The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

I understand. But for God to speak to "them" it had to be after "male and female" existed.

 

[Oneofhope]

Can this text be verified with the original Hebrew?

I have no idea. I'm not an expert in this area.

 

[Strong in Him]

Pipp@
No record of anyone telling her but in her response to the serpent, she knew.

She knew that God had said something, but when she responded to the serpent, she got it wrong.
Genesis 2:16-7.

And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Genesis 3:3

but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

BIB were not God's words.
There is no record that God told her, so she would have heard about it from Adam, and possibly she wasn't listening. I am pretty sure that's why Satan was able to cause her to doubt; she didn't know for certain. Satan did not attempt to say, "DID God say .......?" to Adam. Adam had heard God's command for himself; he knew perfectly well that he shouldn't eat the fruit.