The Vatican is the collective central government of the RCC. The Vatican is the woman turned harlot.
Huh? Have the Vatican once faithful representative of God's kingdom since the Cross? She wasn't even existed. You got the identity of the woman very wrong! Sorry!
The beast king 8 will be one man, i.e. king 7 who will be killed and comes back to life as the beast king 8. Who is not the pope, nor the papacy.
No Scripture support for it. "One man" is just your own speculation to fit your flawed doctrine (and charts). Not the Word of God.
No, it does not. The mortally wound/but healed head does not appear until Revelation 13 when there are 42 months left in the 7 years.
It is because you got the millennial kingdom misunderstood. The head was wounded BEFORE the millennial kingdom of Christ can be established through the church. Don't forget that Satan (the strong man) had to be bound in order for Christ to spoil his house (world). It is not something in the future. Sorry Douggg.
That is incorrect. There is no such thing as "beast king 8". Read again with the mind which hath wisdom (meaning spiritual discernment, not geography history):
Rev 17:9-12
(9) And
here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
(10) And there are seven kings:
five are fallen, and
one is, and the
other is not yet come; and when he cometh,
he must continue a short space.
(11) And the
beast that was, and
is not, even he is the
eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
(12) And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but
receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
So then, the language of Revelation 17 means, the beast
"was" because Satan ruled and prospered in the Old Testament until the period when Christ came to earth the first time (
Matthew 11:12) and Old Testament side of Israel was in apostasy. The language of, yet it
"is not," is because by Christ's death and resurrection, Satan was defeated, which bound him in the bottomless pit breaking that rule and spoiling His kingdom (
Luke 10:18). Thus all through the New Testament Church period Christ goes forth to the nations conquering and to conquer. He's been building the Kingdom of God with those seized from Satan's prison, his defenses being defeated. The gates of Hell could no longer prevail against Christ onslaught in the nations as He goes forth conquering and to conquer these last 2000 years.
Then we read in Revelation 17 that in all this, yet this beast
"is" (
meaning at the time of John's writing). This was because even though Christ
bound Satan in chains of darkness so that He could build His church,
Satan still is able to work iniquity in the world through the unsaved. Ergo, the binding was not all-inclusive, it was
only for the sake of the elect of the nations (Revelation 20:3) who would not be deceived. The remnant or elect to be saved. This is a truth so plainly illustrated in 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2.
2nd Thessalonians 2:6-7
- "And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
- For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only He who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."
The word translated "letteth" is an Old English word that means
restrains. Thus we learn vividly from God that although iniquity was being restrained by Him, it was still at work in the world, and would continue to be at work in the world until He that restrains it (
God)
would be taken out of the way (
midst). Thus although this beast or kingdom was clearly defeated, and was being spoiled (
his possessions taken by conquest) by the conqueror whose name was the Word of God, there was the secret or mystery of Satan's iniquity still being at work in the world. Again, to be clear, we read that even though the word declares iniquity was restrained or withheld (
held back)
until a time when He that restrained it would be taken out of the midst, it was still at work in the world. Satan was at that time still a world-power or spirit of evil (
not to be confused with political power, selah!). But the point here is, not over the elect church. That so many were not deceived and were spoiled or seized from the nations. From the time of the cross, Gentiles were being added to the ranks of the kingdom of Christ daily. This was the mystery or secret of iniquity's working, but non-the-less God's truth concerning it. From this we begin to see how Satan's kingdom is the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. And indeed is to come as the 8th. The seven kings represent his rule through periods of time (kings=rule).
Revelation 17:10
- "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space."
Here we see the symbolism of the seven heads (
symbolizing authority) which are mountains (
Mountains symbolize kingdoms). Thus we see proven by the scriptures that these 7 kingdoms were a token of the completeness of the rule of Satan's "kingdoms throughout time."
The number 7 "signifies" completeness. Note the progression of the seven. God declares plainly that at this time of John's writing, five of these rules of this king
had already fallen, one was ongoing at that time, and one was yet to come. That "explicitly" tells us that this beast was a kingdom in the 'past,' had lost the majority (
5 had fallen) of its reign or rule, and yet part of that kingdom was still there (
one is) as a kingdom when this book of revelation was written, and the 7th (other is yet to come) would be its completion and rise up to rule in the 'future' (
one was yet to come). For example, only Satan ruling in his Kingdom on this earth qualifies as such a kingdom to live and span the 7, or the completeness of time. It's not 7 evil Kingdoms nor evil physical nations/empires, rather it is the evil kingdom and the number 7 merely signifies its completeness.
Unless we're going to take these kingdoms to refer literally to political nations ruling (
as you do), which would be both untenable and contradictory to other passages!
As stated before, the heads are a symbol of "authority." Thus the 7 heads represent Satan's "authority" or rule in this "KINGDOM" throughout the completeness of time. At the time of John's writing, 5 were fallen, 1 was (
because Satan was allowed to go about as a roaring lion even), and 1 rule was yet to come. This 7th which was to come, and had to continue a short space (42 symbolic months), is the final reign of the Beast kingdom. It is when Satan is loosed for a short period near Christ's second advent. Also seen in the imagery of the little horn or the little power (
Horns=power) he has to rule near the end of the world.
Revelation 20:3
- "And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."
This brings us to the
8th!!! You might ask, how can there be an 8th when 7 represents completeness? God tells us
how. The beast that was, and is not, is the
eighth ruler, and yet God is careful to tell us that he is "
of the" seven" or is part of the totality of the 7 Kingdoms. He comes out of THIS 7 kingdom reign. This is "his" kingdom. It is Satan personified! This language places Him within the completeness of the 7 Kingdom reign, rather than outside of it. But the number 8 signifies a time like no other, universally. This new "rest," where man should pray his flight is not in this time period. It's diverse or different from the previous reigns because all have been sealed who are to be sealed. This 8th is diverse, and yet it is part of the 7. Because it is the time or hour of darkness wherein no man can work (there is rest) the works of salvation. This is the eighth, the final conclusion of Satan in the desolation which his abominations have brought.
This 8th ruler Satan, of, or from the 7, and all his ministers ultimately are put down by Christ and go into perdition, as does the man of sin or lawless man. Just as Judas, and as all those who worship the beast and who turn against Christ to idolatry or man-made images of god. The fire from heaven will destroy them.
Revelation 17:7
- "And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns."
We don't need to wonder or be puzzled about the scarlet woman. The Mystery is that it is the Kingdom of Satan where the fornicating unfaithful church is seated upon. Hello??
You need to get off the "congregation Israel" and "New Testament congregation" terms you created, just like @3 Ressurections needs to stop with "sea beast" and "land beast" terms he created.
Who should I listen to? God or you? You have not yet proved me wrong about the congregation of Israel or the New Testament congregation. You may quote verses here and there with speculations but I can see that you really don't understand what the verses actually talked about. This calls for a mind with wisdom, not guesswork with the world maps or topography of Rome!
And also stop with the 2nd degree symbolism of what the bible has already symbolized in the immediate text. The 7 heads symbolize 7 mountains. And the 7 heads symbolize 7 kings.
And you already forgot that the Lord also has defined the mountains as the Kingdom in Scripture. Look it up yourself. You are trying to tell us to stop because you do not like what you are hearing. Not my problem. My posts are for ANYONE who is ready to know the Truth with Bible study where it may show that your position is biblically incorrect, Timothy 3:16-17.
You just don't like it because you want to stick with your flawed interpretation thinking the woman has to do with your speculation with papal or physical hills in Rome based on "immediate terms." Huh?? This is not how you understand Scripture, sir!
