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I used to be a Pre-millennialist who taught that the beasts in the Book of Daniel were described specifically as Medes, Persia, and Greece, etc. until God corrected my belief.

See, it is because the "Old Testament concealed is the New Testament revealed." Yes, God uses the figures of 4 "diverse" beasts in Daniel, representing nations that fight against Old Testament nation of Israel. But those nations prefigured Satan's kingdom just as Israel prefigured the kingdom of God. This does not mean that Satan's kingdom is literal nations, nor that the one beast in Revelation 13 represents some physical or literal nations in the future. We cannot go back to the Old Testament earthly "types" to understand New Testament realities in the same way. For example, Look at literal Egypt. She literally is a type of bondage of Satan's kingdom from where Christ set them free. Same with the literal nation of Babylon, it was a "type" of Satan's kingdom that held the children of Israel captive. Because God used these old testament nations as types, doesn't mean that the types continue into the New Testament as literal nations like you would use the map to determine the end-time beast. In fact, I think if we consider the issue carefully we can see this representation right in the very context of Daniel chapter 7:

Daniel 7:17-18
  • "These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
  • But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever."
Here we have God illustrating these four beasts, and clearly declaring that the Saints of the Most High shall take the kingdom. What Kingdom is this? It certainly cannot be the literal nations of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Media, Greece or Rome! For though four kingdoms (four beasts) or tyrant rulers would invade Israel, bring her into captivity, usurp and treat her violently until the coming of John, yet Israel would be delivered and restored by Christ. But NOT the "literal nation Israel" but the spiritual nation Israel which suffered violence from the spiritual kingdom of Satan, which these nations merely "represented."

And I understand these things are not so cut and dried as they may first appear to many people like I used to. For Christ came not to the children of Zion to restore unto them a literal nation Israel, delivering them from the Romans, but to restore "spiritually" the nation Israel. A nation "not" a geographical plot of dirt, but a Promised Land, and a kingdom of Israel which they shall have eternally (as per Daniel 7, forever).

Joel 2:23-26
  • "Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.
  • And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the fats shall overflow with wine and oil.
  • And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.
  • And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed."
Christ "did" restore to Israel all these things, but not as literal Israel, Premillennialists, postmillennialists, or even preterists (to a degree), surmise. But as He always intended. Through the cross, and by the preaching of the Church, the New Testament representation of God's Kingdom on Earth.
 
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Heads on the Revelation 17 Scarlet Beast were interpreted by the angel as being 7 literal mountains which the (Judean) Scarlet Beast sat upon. With this other Rev. 13 Sea Beast, I believe that would also be the case of its 7 heads being interpreted as 7 literal mountains which the city of Rome sat upon. The "seven-hilled city of Rome" is a common title for the city from antiquity. The "deadly wound" would then have had to be inflicted upon a literal mountain in Rome - not a wound given to a person. And I believe that deadly wound was given to Nero's imperial Palatine Hill district during the AD 64 fire at Rome.
I don't disagree that the 7 mountains is a reference to the seven hilled city of Rome - as the place where the woman has her residence.

The deadly wound though applies to one of the 7 kings, not one of the 7 mountains. The 7 mountains have no further significance beyond identifying the location of where the woman sits.

So forget about Nero's imperial Palatine Hill district - as being in fulfillment of prophecy. The deadly wound applies to one of the 7 kings.
 
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I don't disagree that the 7 mountains is a reference to the seven hilled city of Rome - as the place where the woman has her residence.

Rev 17:8-11
(8) The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
(9) And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
(10) And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
(11) And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The heads are in fact kings, just as the horns are in fact kings. It is the same symbolic imagery and the same methodology applies. Read verse 9-10 again.

The 7 heads (symbolizing authority) "are" also seven mountains (symbolizing kingdoms) are seven kings (symbolizing rule). So the seven heads (signifying authority and leadership) are all actually 7 kings (signifying rule). It is all interconnected symbolism. Not only is the 7 kings symbolic, but we read the 7 kings "are" 7 mountains, which is also symbolic. The 7 heads are actually seven periods of the authoritative rule of the beast, which in totality is its complete rule throughout time. That's why 5 were already fallen. So we can't say a head is not a king or a horn is not a king, or a horn is not a head, because it's all symbolic and tied intimately together to paint a bigger picture of a powerful kingdom and its reign.

God also said that it requires a mind which hath wisdom. It calls for spiritual discernment for understanding who God really talked about. He did not ask you to look for a physical nation, city, or seven literal hills or mountains on the world map to build a doctrine. Both the beast and woman existed long before the establishment of the so-called Roman Empire! The woman is congregation Israel started with Abel and all Jewish Elects of the Old Testament PLUS all the Elects in the New Testament. The vision of her riding upon the beast prior to the Second Coming applies to the New Testament congregation who have apostatized from God. She is NOT the Papacy system, nor the beast is limited to one man.

The deadly wound though applies to one of the 7 kings, not one of the 7 mountains. The 7 mountains have not futher significance beyond identifying the location of where the woman sits.

The deadly wound of one head refers to Christ's death blow to Satan's authority so that Christ could build the church while Satan was bound "FOR" the Elect, not the world.

So forget about Nero's imperial Palatine Hill district - as being in fulfillment of prophecy. The deadly wound applies to one of the 7 kings.

Sigh...You need to find God's interpretation IN THE BIBLE, not Google the street view map of a mound somewhere outside Rome.
 
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She is NOT the Papacy system, nor the beast is limited to one man.
The Vatican is the collective central government of the RCC. The Vatican is the woman turned harlot.

The beast king 8 will be one man, i.e. king 7 who will be killed and comes back to life as the beast king 8. Who is not the pope, nor the papacy.

The deadly wound of one head refers to Christ's death blow to Satan's authority so that Christ could build the church while Satan was bound "FOR" the Elect, not the world.
No, it does not. The mortally wound/but healed head does not appear until Revelation 13 when there are 42 months left in the 7 years.

During that 42 months, the world will worship the beast king 8 and Satan (unwittingly).

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

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You need to get off the "congregation Israel" and "New Testament congregation" terms you created, just like @3 Ressurections needs to stop with "sea beast" and "land beast" terms he created.

And also stop with the 2nd degree symbolism of what the bible has already symbolized in the immediate text. The 7 heads symbolize 7 mountains. And the 7 heads symbolize 7 kings.
 
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The Vatican is the collective central government of the RCC. The Vatican is the woman turned harlot.

Huh? Have the Vatican once faithful representative of God's kingdom since the Cross? She wasn't even existed. You got the identity of the woman very wrong! Sorry!
The beast king 8 will be one man, i.e. king 7 who will be killed and comes back to life as the beast king 8. Who is not the pope, nor the papacy.

No Scripture support for it. "One man" is just your own speculation to fit your flawed doctrine (and charts). Not the Word of God.

No, it does not. The mortally wound/but healed head does not appear until Revelation 13 when there are 42 months left in the 7 years.

It is because you got the millennial kingdom misunderstood. The head was wounded BEFORE the millennial kingdom of Christ can be established through the church. Don't forget that Satan (the strong man) had to be bound in order for Christ to spoil his house (world). It is not something in the future. Sorry Douggg.

That is incorrect. There is no such thing as "beast king 8". Read again with the mind which hath wisdom (meaning spiritual discernment, not geography history):

Rev 17:9-12
(9) And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
(10) And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
(11) And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
(12) And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

So then, the language of Revelation 17 means, the beast "was" because Satan ruled and prospered in the Old Testament until the period when Christ came to earth the first time (Matthew 11:12) and Old Testament side of Israel was in apostasy. The language of, yet it "is not," is because by Christ's death and resurrection, Satan was defeated, which bound him in the bottomless pit breaking that rule and spoiling His kingdom (Luke 10:18). Thus all through the New Testament Church period Christ goes forth to the nations conquering and to conquer. He's been building the Kingdom of God with those seized from Satan's prison, his defenses being defeated. The gates of Hell could no longer prevail against Christ onslaught in the nations as He goes forth conquering and to conquer these last 2000 years.

Then we read in Revelation 17 that in all this, yet this beast "is" (meaning at the time of John's writing). This was because even though Christ bound Satan in chains of darkness so that He could build His church, Satan still is able to work iniquity in the world through the unsaved. Ergo, the binding was not all-inclusive, it was only for the sake of the elect of the nations (Revelation 20:3) who would not be deceived. The remnant or elect to be saved. This is a truth so plainly illustrated in 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2.

2nd Thessalonians 2:6-7
  • "And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
  • For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only He who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."
The word translated "letteth" is an Old English word that means restrains. Thus we learn vividly from God that although iniquity was being restrained by Him, it was still at work in the world, and would continue to be at work in the world until He that restrains it (God) would be taken out of the way (midst). Thus although this beast or kingdom was clearly defeated, and was being spoiled (his possessions taken by conquest) by the conqueror whose name was the Word of God, there was the secret or mystery of Satan's iniquity still being at work in the world. Again, to be clear, we read that even though the word declares iniquity was restrained or withheld (held back) until a time when He that restrained it would be taken out of the midst, it was still at work in the world. Satan was at that time still a world-power or spirit of evil (not to be confused with political power, selah!). But the point here is, not over the elect church. That so many were not deceived and were spoiled or seized from the nations. From the time of the cross, Gentiles were being added to the ranks of the kingdom of Christ daily. This was the mystery or secret of iniquity's working, but non-the-less God's truth concerning it. From this we begin to see how Satan's kingdom is the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. And indeed is to come as the 8th. The seven kings represent his rule through periods of time (kings=rule).

Revelation 17:10

  • "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space."
Here we see the symbolism of the seven heads (symbolizing authority) which are mountains (Mountains symbolize kingdoms). Thus we see proven by the scriptures that these 7 kingdoms were a token of the completeness of the rule of Satan's "kingdoms throughout time." The number 7 "signifies" completeness. Note the progression of the seven. God declares plainly that at this time of John's writing, five of these rules of this king had already fallen, one was ongoing at that time, and one was yet to come. That "explicitly" tells us that this beast was a kingdom in the 'past,' had lost the majority (5 had fallen) of its reign or rule, and yet part of that kingdom was still there (one is) as a kingdom when this book of revelation was written, and the 7th (other is yet to come) would be its completion and rise up to rule in the 'future' (one was yet to come). For example, only Satan ruling in his Kingdom on this earth qualifies as such a kingdom to live and span the 7, or the completeness of time. It's not 7 evil Kingdoms nor evil physical nations/empires, rather it is the evil kingdom and the number 7 merely signifies its completeness.

Unless we're going to take these kingdoms to refer literally to political nations ruling (as you do), which would be both untenable and contradictory to other passages!

As stated before, the heads are a symbol of "authority." Thus the 7 heads represent Satan's "authority" or rule in this "KINGDOM" throughout the completeness of time. At the time of John's writing, 5 were fallen, 1 was (because Satan was allowed to go about as a roaring lion even), and 1 rule was yet to come. This 7th which was to come, and had to continue a short space (42 symbolic months), is the final reign of the Beast kingdom. It is when Satan is loosed for a short period near Christ's second advent. Also seen in the imagery of the little horn or the little power (Horns=power) he has to rule near the end of the world.

Revelation 20:3
  • "And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."
This brings us to the 8th!!! You might ask, how can there be an 8th when 7 represents completeness? God tells us how. The beast that was, and is not, is the eighth ruler, and yet God is careful to tell us that he is "of the" seven" or is part of the totality of the 7 Kingdoms. He comes out of THIS 7 kingdom reign. This is "his" kingdom. It is Satan personified! This language places Him within the completeness of the 7 Kingdom reign, rather than outside of it. But the number 8 signifies a time like no other, universally. This new "rest," where man should pray his flight is not in this time period. It's diverse or different from the previous reigns because all have been sealed who are to be sealed. This 8th is diverse, and yet it is part of the 7. Because it is the time or hour of darkness wherein no man can work (there is rest) the works of salvation. This is the eighth, the final conclusion of Satan in the desolation which his abominations have brought.

This 8th ruler Satan, of, or from the 7, and all his ministers ultimately are put down by Christ and go into perdition, as does the man of sin or lawless man. Just as Judas, and as all those who worship the beast and who turn against Christ to idolatry or man-made images of god. The fire from heaven will destroy them.

Revelation 17:7
  • "And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns."
We don't need to wonder or be puzzled about the scarlet woman. The Mystery is that it is the Kingdom of Satan where the fornicating unfaithful church is seated upon. Hello??

You need to get off the "congregation Israel" and "New Testament congregation" terms you created, just like @3 Ressurections needs to stop with "sea beast" and "land beast" terms he created.

Who should I listen to? God or you? You have not yet proved me wrong about the congregation of Israel or the New Testament congregation. You may quote verses here and there with speculations but I can see that you really don't understand what the verses actually talked about. This calls for a mind with wisdom, not guesswork with the world maps or topography of Rome!

And also stop with the 2nd degree symbolism of what the bible has already symbolized in the immediate text. The 7 heads symbolize 7 mountains. And the 7 heads symbolize 7 kings.

And you already forgot that the Lord also has defined the mountains as the Kingdom in Scripture. Look it up yourself. You are trying to tell us to stop because you do not like what you are hearing. Not my problem. My posts are for ANYONE who is ready to know the Truth with Bible study where it may show that your position is biblically incorrect, Timothy 3:16-17.
 
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Huh? Have the Vatican once faithful representative of God's kingdom since the Cross? She wasn't even existed. You got the identity of the woman very wrong! Sorry!
The book of Romans was written to the church in Rome. So there was a faithful group of believers in Rome.

In later centuries, the bishop of Rome became more powerful, and eventually became known as the Pope. Which evolved into the Vatican, central government and controlling authority of the Catholic church. As the Vatican became more powerful, it became more corrupt, and eventually led to reformation movement to break away.

At that movement grew, the Vatican sought to clamp down on them who sought to escape its authority, resulting in the inquisition, the killing and persecution of innocent Christians.

Even today, the Vatican seeks to consolidate all of Christianity under it's authority.
 
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So then, the language of Revelation 17 means, the beast "was" because Satan ruled and prospered in the Old Testament until the period when Christ came to earth the first time (Matthew 11:12) and Old Testament side of Israel was in apostasy. The language of, yet it "is not," is because by Christ's death and resurrection, Satan was defeated, which bound him in the bottomless pit breaking that rule and spoiling His kingdom (Luke 10:18).
Satan is not in the bottomless pit. He goes about as a roaring lion seeking who he can devour.

The term "was and is not" means was alive, but is no longer alive. Satan is an angel who don't die in the sense that men and animals die.
 
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From this we begin to see how Satan's kingdom is the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. And indeed is to come as the 8th. The seven kings represent his rule through periods of time (kings=rule).
No, Satan's kingdom is not the beast that was, and is not, and yet is, in Revelation 17:8b. Because Satan's kingdom is a mystical kingdom, not a physical kingdom that can be seen. The people of the world will not wonder over Satan's mystical kingdom's return.

.8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 17:8b is about the 7th king who will be killed and comes back to life - with 42 months left in the 7 years. That person will be empowered by Satan.

Revelation 17:8 is the mystery of Satan, the scarlet colored beast - his connections.

17:8a - Satan was connected to the garden of Eden serpent beast. To the degree that Satan is referred to as that old serpent in Revelation 12:9.

17:8b - Satan will be connected to the near future, the current end times generation, 7th king, who will be killed and comes back to life, as king 8. The people of the world will witness king 7 being killed, then coming back to life - and be dumbfounded over what has taken place before their very own eyes.
 
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Who should I listen to? God or you? You have not yet proved me wrong about the congregation of Israel or the New Testament congregation. You may quote verses here and there with speculations but I can see that you really don't understand what the verses actually talked about. This calls for a mind with wisdom, not guesswork with the world maps or topography of Rome!
If you were listening to God, you would use terms He uses in the text of the bible, and not you own created terms like "congregation Israel" and "New Testament congregation, as the mainstay of your posts.

And you already forgot that the Lord also has defined the mountains as the Kingdom in Scripture. Look it up yourself. You are trying to tell us to stop because you do not like what you are hearing. Not my problem. My posts are for ANYONE who is ready to know the Truth with Bible study where it may show that your position is biblically incorrect, Timothy 3:16-17.
If you were pursuant to the truth, you would not be doing the 2nd degree of out-of-context symbolism beyond the symbolism defined in the immediate text.

SDA's do the same thing when they define the 1260 days in bible prophecy as 1260 years, because of what Ezekiel was told to do laying on his side in Ezekiel 4:6. They take that verse of one day being a year - and apply it everywhere else in bible prophecy.

The immediate text in Revelation 17 has the 7 heads symbolizing 7 mountains, and also 7 kings.
 
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If you were listening to God, you would use terms He uses in the text of the bible, and not you own created terms like "congregation Israel" and "New Testament congregation, as the mainstay of your posts.

Because that is the woman God talked about! :) You just don't like it because you want to stick with your flawed interpretation thinking the woman has to do with your speculation with papal or physical hills in Rome based on "immediate terms." Huh?? This is not how you understand Scripture, sir!

If you were pursuant to the truth, you would not be doing the 2nd degree of out-of-context symbolism beyond the symbolism defined in the immediate text.

I have shown how to compare Scripture with Scripture. It's just that you do not like hearing the Truth. If you don't like it, you went ahead and accuse me of made-up "2nd degree of out-of-context symbolism" since you have refused to compare Scripture with the rest of Scripture like I did. All you do is complain about things like that instead of actually quoting Scripture to prove my position wrong. You just complain about my understanding of what Scripture talks about. Typically!

SDA's do the same thing when they define the 1260 days in bible prophecy as 1260 years, because of what Ezekiel was told to do laying on his side in Ezekiel 4:6. They take that verse of one day being a year - and apply it everywhere else in bible prophecy.

What about the SDA? Who cares? Are they here to defend their doctrine, no? Don't compare flawed church doctinre with mine. I am not a member of SDA nor support their doctrine anyway. Stop with your silly distraction tactics and focus on proving me wrong with Scripture. If you can't then don't reply.

The immediate text in Revelation 17 has the 7 heads symbolizing 7 mountains, and also 7 kings.

Guess you won't bother to compare Scripture with Scripture then okay...the Lord judges and I am comfortable with it. :)
 
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I have shown how to compare Scripture with Scripture. It's just that you do not like hearing the Truth. If you don't like it, you went ahead and accuse me of made-up "2nd degree of out-of-context symbolism" since you have refused to compare Scripture with the rest of Scripture like I did. All you do is complain about things like that instead of actually quoting Scripture to prove my position wrong. You just complain about my understanding of what Scripture talks about. Typically!
You compare scripture of one context with scripture having a different context. That's your idealist methodology.

And you use your own self-created terms of "congregation Israel" and "New testament congregation" as the mainstay of your posts.
 
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You compare scripture of one context with scripture having a different context. That's your idealist methodology.

And you use your own self-created terms of "congregation Israel" and "New testament congregation" as the mainstay of your posts.

Ha! Idealist methodology?!

No... my position is directly from the "God Authored" pages of the inerrant and authoritative word, rather than from a "simply human" teacher in a theological institution with no guarantee that what he says is correct. Again we get back to the more noble (honest) Bereans of Acts 17:11. And why not? They are the God authored "perfect example" for the congregation of God that blindly accepting the understanding of our teachers without going directly to the "authoritative source" is folly. Many of the Jews did that, but the more honest Bereans had a zeal for the truth, and so they went directly to the Scripture source (instead of their credentialed Jewish leaders) and because of that, they found that their religious leaders were completely wrong, and they found the truth that they were looking for. Isn't that the goal of every faithful Christian in understanding Christianity?

Luke 11:9-10
  • "And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
  • For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."
The Bereans sought the truth, searched it out diligently in Scripture, and therefore they found it. What does the Christian today say when approached by a Messenger like the Apostle Paul?

"Oh I'm not going to read that, because it goes against what credentialed teachers teach."
"That is your idealist methodology!"
"That is your allegory interpretation!"

It goes against my understanding? Please! Again, you are making the exact same error as most of the Jewish people in Thessalonica who tried to teach them the unadulterated truth from the source. But those few in Berea who were more noble of character, they searched the scriptures to see if this "different" thing that Paul testified to was actually true. When I says, "We get our understanding from the Word of God and allow it to be its own interpreter," your methodology of ignoring it is the same as the Jewish people that rejected Paul's testimony to the truth because of their private teachings and interpretations of the reality of the kingdom. Yet again, their understanding was wrong because they wouldn't allow God to interpret His own Word. They wanted to interpret it by the imaginations of men, rather than by the source code. He who hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

Selah!
 
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Ha! Idealist methodology?!
Idealism: (also called the spiritual approach, the allegorical approach, the nonliteral approach, and many other names) in Christian eschatology is an interpretation of the Book of Revelation that sees all of the imagery of the book as symbols.

I copied and pasted from...

 
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The Scarlet beast of Revelation 17 is "_____________________" (fill in the blank)
The Scarlet Beast will be Daniel's (Little Horn) Paul's (Man Of Sin) John's (The Beast) all the same future evil human man

The Future Human Man, The Antichrist Seen Below In (Daniel) 11:37 Will Be A Hebrew/Jew In Decent, His Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

(Daniel) 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Examples: God Of His Fathers

(2 Kings) 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

(2 Chronicles) 21:10KJV
10 So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.
 
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The Scarlet beast of Revelation 17 is "_____________________" (fill in the blank)
Daniel's (Little Horn), Paul's (Man Of Sin), And John's (The Beast) A Literal Human Man,, That Will Be Present On This Earth At The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ

The figure mentioned above will be a "Future" literal human man, and he will be present on earth in a living human body to witness the "Future" second coming and final judgment as scripture clearly teaches below

Daniel's (Little Horn) Present On Earth At The Second Coming

Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Paul's (Man Of Sin) Present On Earth At The Second Coming

2 Thessalonians 2:3-8KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

John's (The Beast) Present On Earth At The Second Coming

Revelation 19:19-20KJV
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
 
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The Scarlet Beast will be Daniel's (Little Horn) Paul's (Man Of Sin) John's (The Beast) all the same future evil human man
I agree that "Daniel's (Little Horn) Paul's (Man Of Sin) John's (The Beast) all the same future evil human man". I will use your term for the rest of my post.

It is the Scarlet colored beast that has 7 heads and ten horns - not the future evil human man. The future evil human man you are talking about will be one of the seven heads on the Scarlet colored beast - that will later become mortally wounded but healed with 42 months left in the seven years.

The Scarlet colored beast in Revelation 17 is the same great red dragon beast of Revelation 12 - Satan.

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Revelation 17 is the status of the ten horns and seven heads at the time of John first century - when the "one is" king was ruling.

Of course, also, there is information about the future evil human man in Revelation 17. He will be king 7 who continues 42 months after he is killed and brought back to life as king 8, the beast king.

There is also information about the woman turned harlot who will be destroyed by the ten horn kings - when they come to power to rule with the future evil human man for, as the text metaphorically says for one hour - .i.e the 42 months.

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Revelation 12 is the status of the ten horns and seven heads at the beginning of the 7 years. Revelation 12:1-5 are historic introductory, to identify the woman in the rest of the chapter as Israel. Revelation 12:6-17 are the 7 years.

The ten horn kings still don't have their crowns because the future evil human man has not become the beast king yet. But he has become king 7 because the 7 heads have their crowns indicating that the prophecy of the 7 kings is complete.

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Revelation 13 is where everything gets completed. Revelation 13 is the status of the ten horns and seven heads with 42 months left in the 7 years.

The ten horn kings finally have their crowns.

King 7, the future evil human man, will have been killed and come back to life as king 8, the beast king.

Because the future evil human man will have been killed - the prophecy of the 7 kings is over. So the seven heads no longer have crowns in Revelation 13, like they did in Revelation 12, which has the 7 years in it.

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So I hope that helps you. There is a lot to digest. Best wishes on your continual analysis.
 
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The Scarlet colored beast in Revelation 17 is the same great red dragon beast of Revelation 12 - Satan.
Scripture clearly teaches the scarlet colored beast is the same beast that rises out of the sea, (Satan/Dragon) gives him his power in the "Future"

Your claim the scarlet colored beast with seven heads and ten horns is Satan is "False", he will be the human man (The Beast) seen in Revelation 13:1-5 below, same seven heads, ten horns, name(s) of blasphemy

I hope that helps you, Jesus Is The Lord

(The Dragon Gave Him His Power)

Revelation 17:3KJV
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Revelation 13:1-5KJV
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
 
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Scripture clearly teaches the scarlet colored beast is the same beast that rises out of the sea, (Satan/Dragon) gives him his power in the "Future"

Your claim the scarlet colored beast with seven heads and ten horns is Satan is "False"
The beast out of the sea - having a composite make up of different beasts, i.e. the leopard, the bear, the lion - is the kingdom which the ten horn kings and the beast king will be a part of. That kingdom is end times, with 42 months left in the 7 years.

Differently, the Scarlet colored beast and the great red dragon beast - are not a kingdom - but Satan.
 
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I don't disagree that the 7 mountains is a reference to the seven hilled city of Rome - as the place where the woman has her residence.
That underlined part is your understanding - not mine. The 7 heads as literal mountains on the Revelation 13 Sea Beast (Roman phase) were the 7 hills which Rome was situated upon geographically.

But the 7 heads as literal mountains on the Revelation 17 (Judean) Scarlet Beast were the 7 hills upon which Jerusalem was based geographically. "As the mountains are round about Jerusalem, so the Lord is round about His people from henceforth even for ever." (Psalms 125:2). These 7 hills were the Mount of Olives, Mount Scopus, Mount of Corruption, Mount Ophel, the orignianl Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion, and the Antonia Fortress Hill.
 
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That underlined part is your understanding - not mine. The 7 heads as literal mountains on the Revelation 13 Sea Beast (Roman phase) were the 7 hills which Rome was situated upon geographically.
The beast out of the sea in Revelation 13 is an end times kingdom - which the ten horn kings and the beast king will be a part of - with 42 months left in the 7 years.
But the 7 heads as literal mountains on the Revelation 17 (Judean) Scarlet Beast were the 7 hills upon which Jerusalem was based geographically.
The 7 heads on the Revelation 17 Scarlet colored beast - in the text - are 7 mountains, where the woman turned harlot sits.
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9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

And the 7 heads are also 7 kings. Both the woman and the kings are associated with the location of Rome, not Jerusalem.

The city of Rome does not get destroyed, but the woman turned harlot who makes her residence there - i.e. the Vatican. It will happen in the last 42 months of the 7 years when the ten horn kings have their crowns.

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

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Jerusalem does not get destroyed by fire - because it is on the holy mountain of Zion where the beast king will meet his end.... no-one will be able to help him.

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.



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