THE SABBATH TRUTH!

LoveGodsWord · Sep 8, 2020

pasifika said:
Thank you LGW, I believe all the laws given under the old covenant are all pointed to Christ even the 7th day Sabbath. Yes the 7th day Sabbath reminded the Israelites of their God who works 6 days and rested on the 7th day in creation ( as a memorial as you’ve said). That same God who came as a man and died in Calvary so the 7th day Sabbath was pointed to Christ the maker of the universe from creation..

Hi Pasifika, thanks for your reply but I do not understand it or can I see how it addresses the questions asked in the post you are quoting from below..

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Ok great thanks pasifika. Thanks for showing your agreement with what we have been sharing so far. Let's discuss the part of your last post that we are not in agreement on which was....

You know I actually agree with this scripture and statement but many mistakenly think that Colossians 2:16-17 is talking about God's 4th commandment which is it not.

If you read all of Colossians 2:11-17 you are right that it is correctly talking about "SHADOW LAWS" just like those of HEBREWS 10:1-23 we were talking about earlier.

You agree that the "SHADOW LAWS" are those from the MOSAIC BOOK of the old covenant for the remission of sins and those laws that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the new covenant right? This I also agree on.

All these "SHADOW LAWS" however from the Mosaic BOOK of the old covenant where given to mankind after the fall of mankind AFTER man sinned against God and were pointing to JESUS and God's plan of salvation for all mankind right?

Let me ask you a question here....

How can God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath which God made on the "seventh day" of creation *GENESIS 2:1-3 be a "SHADOW LAW" when mankind was in perfect harmony with God and talked face to face with God when there was NO SIN and no need of God's plan of salvation and when God's Sabbath was a part of the FINISHED work of creation?

God's 4th commandment is a "MEMORIAL" that means it does not point forward it points backward to the finished work of creation when there was no sin.

EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY [Made Holy at creation GENESIS 2:3]. [9], Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: [10], But THE SEVENTH DAY [ Genesis 2:1-3] IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD : in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: [WHY?] [11], FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM IS, AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY; WHEREFORE THE LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY. [Refering to GENESIS 2:1-3]

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Pasifika, now look at the contexts Colossians 2:16..

Did you know that under the old covenant annual feasts days there were special ceremonial annual sabbath days that were not God's 4th commandment that could fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle?

Lets look at them asking the question what was Paul referring to in Colossians 2:16 where the context here is to new moons, meat and drink, and sabbath days (not the Sabbath day).

Here is a list of old covenant sabbaths beside God's 4th commandment...

1. The sabbaths of the Feast of unleavened bread (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:6-8
2. The sabbath on the annual day of Atonement that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:27-32
3. The sabbath on the annual Feast of Trumpets that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:24-25?
4. The sabbath on the Feast of Booths that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:34-36
5. Feast of first fruits (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:39
6. The sabbaths (sabbaton plural) of holy convocations from the annual feast days *LEVITICUS 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that can fall on any days of the week
7. The sabbath of the land (7 year single cycle) *LEVITICUS 25:2
8. The sabbath of Jubilee - culminating of the 7x7 yearly cycles sabbaths *LEVITICUS 25:9-54
9. Or God's 4th commandment seventh day weekly Sabbath which is one of the 10 commandments that define sin when broken? *EXODUS 20:8-11 from GENESIS 2:1-3

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So as you can see from the scriptures above there are many different kinds of sabbaths in the old testament isn't there. The annual ceremonial sabbaths in the feast days are the shadows of things to come. God's 4th commandment Sabbath however as we saw earlier is one of God's 10 commandments that is a "MEMORIAL" of creations past which points backwards and not forwards so cannot be a shadow of anything.

So if the context of Colossians 2:16 is to the shadow sabbaths and the new moons in the annual feast days what sabbaths do you think Colossians 2 is talking about?

Take your time to prayerfully consider this dear friend and reply when your ready. No hurry.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

1. How can God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath which God made on the "seventh day" of creation *GENESIS 2:1-3 be a "SHADOW LAW" when mankind was in perfect harmony with God and talked face to face with God when there was NO SIN and no need of God's plan of salvation and when God's Sabbath was a part of the FINISHED work of creation?

The "SHADOW LAWS" were only made after the fall of mankind as part of God's plan of salvation for mankind. There was no Shadow laws when the Sabbath was made and the Sabbath was made before sin when man was in perfect harmony with God.

2. Did you know that under the old covenant annual feasts days there were special ceremonial annual sabbath days that were not God's 4th commandment that could fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle?

3. If there are many different kinds of annual ceremonial sabbaths connected to the new moons and feast days that can fall on any day of the week as shown above and if the context of Colossians 2:16 is to the shadow sabbaths v17 and the new moons in the annual feast days what sabbaths do you think Colossians 2 is talking about?

BTW there is no mention of the 10 commandments in Colossians 2. The context is to the ceremonial shadow laws from the Mosaic book of the old covenant. Also, there was no ISRAEL or JEWS when JESUS says the Sabbath was made for all mankind *Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27

Look forward to your response. (scripture please)

pasifika · Sep 9, 2020

Studyman said:
That is true. God gave Abraham the Good News and HE believed God and did as God instructed. This is called "FAITH".

Caleb also was given the Good News, and HE believed God and did as God instructed. This also was called "Faith".

But most of the Children of Israel, when given the Good News, didn't didn't believe God and didn't do as God instructed. They didn't mix the Good News of the gospel, with Faith, as it is written.

Duet 32:18 Of the Rock that begat thee (Good News) thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.

19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.

20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

And Again;

Heb. 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Yes, Faith/Belief is the key to Salvation as the Christ of Bible pointed out in the beginning.

Abraham heard the Gospel of Christ and was glad. And so was Caleb.

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

Num. 14:23 Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, (Abraham) neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:

24 But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, (Spirit of faith) and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.

Duet. 5:1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.

2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.

3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

I asked this once, I'll ask again. "Why were they still alive after creating an Idol and worshiping it? If Salvation is by Faith, and these people didn't have Faith, then why are they still alive in Duet 5? It is because God "ADDED" a Covenant with Levi on Israel's behalf, to provide atonement, "till the Seed should come"? A Covenant not given on the day when HE brought them out of Egypt.

Jer. 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

No, this Law concerning burnt offering and sacrifices was "ADDED" because of transgressions.

23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

Just like HE did for Abraham.

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

The Covenant that was replaced, was the "ADDED" covenant God made with Levi on Israel's behalf. This Covenant dealt with the administration of God's Laws that Israel broke, and provided for the atonement of men who broke these Laws.

These Laws were not replaced, just the Priesthood given to Levi as it is written.

It's right there in your own Bible. It's just that you have been led astray by the "other voice" in the garden.

Hello studyman, there is no other covenant given to the Levi regarding offering other than the covenant made by Moses in Sinai. That is the covenant in which the 10 commandments, burnt offering etc, temple worship etc were given to Israel.
This is how Jeremiah 7:22 state in my Bible...
Jeremiah 7:22...For when I brought your ancestors out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did Not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices, But I gave them this command: Obey me and I will be your God and you will be my people...

I don't see any 'Added" covenant given to Levi...the verse state that the burnt offering and offerings were given to the same people God brought out from Egypt...

Why they didn't died since they broke the covenant?? I already mentioned it in previous post ' is because they believe the good news' Hebrews 3..

The law given under the old covenant is Not based on Faith ( Christ) Galatians 3...

Studyman · Sep 9, 2020

pasifika said:
Hello studyman, there is no other covenant given to the Levi regarding offering other than the covenant made by Moses in Sinai. That is the covenant in which the 10 commandments, burnt offering etc, temple worship etc were given to Israel.
This is how Jeremiah 7:22 state in my Bible...

That is what many say, but I don't believe they accurately interpret what the Scriptures are saying. .

Jeremiah 7:22...For when I brought your ancestors out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did Not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices, But I gave them this command: Obey me and I will be your God and you will be my people...

I don't see any 'Added" covenant given to Levi...the verse state that the burnt offering and offerings were given to the same people God brought out from Egypt...

I don't know about this translation, I posted several others which I believe more accurately describe what happened when God brought them out of Egypt..

However, if you look at the vast majority of translations, it seems clear that the Levitical Priesthood "Law of Works" for atonement was "ADDED" after they built the Golden calf.

Holman Christian Standard Bible

Jeremiah 7:22 (CSB) for when I brought your ancestors out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak with them or command them concerning burnt offering and sacrifice.
The Darby Translation

Jeremiah 7:22 (DBY) For I spoke not unto your fathers, nor commanded them concerning burnt-offerings and sacrifices, in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt;
Good News Translation

Jeremiah 7:22 (GNT) I gave your ancestors no commands about burnt offerings or any other kinds of sacrifices when I brought them out of Egypt.
Lexham English Bible

Jeremiah 7:22 (LEB) For I did not speak with your ancestors, nor did I command them in the day of bringing them out from the land of Egypt, concerning the matter of burnt offering and sacrifice.
The Message Bible

Jeremiah 7:22 (MSG) When I delivered your ancestors out of Egypt, I never said anything to them about wanting burnt offerings and sacrifices as such.
New Revised Standard w/ Apocrypha

Jeremiah 7:22 (NRSA) For in the day that I brought your ancestors out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to them or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices.
Orthodox Jewish Bible

Yirmeyah 7:22 (OJB) For I spoke not unto Avoteichem, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of Eretz Mitzrayim, concerning olah or zevach;
Third Millennium Bible

Jeremiah 7:22 (TMB) For I spoke not unto your fathers nor commanded them, in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices.
Wycliffe

Jeremiah 7:22 (WYC) For I spake not with your fathers, and I commanded not to them of the word of burnt sacrifices, and of slain sacrifices, in the day in which I led them out of the land of Egypt. (For I spoke not to your forefathers, and I commanded not to them about burnt sacrifices, and slain sacrifices, on the day when I led them out of the land of Egypt.)
The Bible in Basic English

Jeremiah 7:22 (BBE) For I said nothing to your fathers, and gave them no orders, on the day when I took them out of Egypt, about burned offerings or offerings of beasts:
The Complete Jewish Bible

Jeremiah 7:22 (CJB) For I didn't speak to your ancestors or give them orders concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices when I brought them out of the land of Egypt.
Hebrew Names Version

Jeremiah 7:22 (HNV) For I didn't speak to your fathers, nor command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Mitzrayim, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
King James Version w/ Apocrypha

Jeremiah 7:22 (KJVA) For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Septuagint Bible w/ Apocrypha

Jeremias 7:22 (LXX) For I spoke not to your fathers, and commanded them not in the day wherein I brought them up out of the land of Egypt, concerning whole-burnt-offerings and sacrifice:
New International Reader's Version

Jeremiah 7:22 (NIRV) When I brought your people out of Egypt, I spoke to them. But I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices.
New Revised Standard

Jeremiah 7:22 (NRS) For in the day that I brought your ancestors out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to them or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices.
American Standard Version

Jeremiah 7:22 (ASV) For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt-offerings or sacrifices:
Common English Bible w/ Apocrypha

Jeremiah 7:22 (CEBA) On the day I brought your ancestors out of the land of Egypt, I didn't say a thing—I gave no instructions—about entirely burned offerings or sacrifices.
English Standard Version

Jeremiah 7:22 (ESV) For in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to your fathers or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices.
GOD'S WORD Translation

Jeremiah 7:22 (GW) When I brought your ancestors out of Egypt, I did not tell them anything about burnt offerings and sacrifices.
King James Version

Jeremiah 7:22 (KJV) For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
New Century Version

Jeremiah 7:22 (NCV) When I brought your ancestors out of Egypt, I did not speak to them and give them commands only about burnt offerings and sacrifices.
New Living Translation

Jeremiah 7:22 (NLT) When I led your ancestors out of Egypt, it was not burnt offerings and sacrifices I wanted from them.
Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible

Jeremiah 7:22 (RHE) For I spoke not to your fathers, and I commanded them not, in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning the matter of burnt offerings and sacrifices.
Revised Standard Version w/ Apocrypha

Jeremiah 7:22 (RSVA) For in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to your fathers or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices.
World English Bible

Jeremiah 7:22 (WEB) For I didn't speak to your fathers, nor command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Common English Bible

Jeremiah 7:22 (CEB) On the day I brought your ancestors out of the land of Egypt, I didn't say a thing—I gave no instructions—about entirely burned offerings or sacrifices.

It seems the Levitical Priesthood given to Levi, Separated from all the peoples of the world, was a Covenant God made for atonement after they built the Golden Calf. 2 Laws.

Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Why they didn't died since they broke the covenant?? I already mentioned it in previous post ' is because they believe the good news' Hebrews 3..

Heb. 4 said they didn't mix the hearing of the good news with belief/faith.

Doesn't the Scriptures say they fell because of ""unbelief"?

The law given under the old covenant is Not based on Faith ( Christ) Galatians 3...

The Levitical Priesthood "added" to God's Laws by Moses, given specifically to Levi is the Law of Works and it was not based on Faith.

The Commandments, Laws and Statutes of God are the Law of Faith given to all God's people, including Abraham. Do you believe in the God of the Bible, or "another voice"?

Ex. 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

This was before the Golden calf, and before the Laws of Atonement were given to Levi on Israels behalf. They didn't believe in this God and they created another. It's even in your Bible.

Do you believe in this God who became Flesh and Blood? Or have you found another?

Bob S · Sep 9, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Hi Pasifika, thanks for your reply but I do not understand it or can I see how it addresses the questions asked in the post you are quoting from below..

1. How can God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath which God made on the "seventh day" of creation *GENESIS 2:1-3 be a "SHADOW LAW" when mankind was in perfect harmony with God and talked face to face with God when there was NO SIN and no need of God's plan of salvation and when God's Sabbath was a part of the FINISHED work of creation?

First of all you are confused as to how many days God did His creation, it was six days. The following day He rested.

Secondly, it isn't established anywhere in scripture that the day God rested was a perpetual rest day. God was finished working and rested one day. That is the extent of what is revealed to man.

The "SHADOW LAWS" were only made after the fall of mankind as part of God's plan of salvation for mankind. There was no Shadow laws when the Sabbath was made and the Sabbath was made before sin when man was in perfect harmony with God.

You keep referring to "shadow laws" like that is a term in scripture. What it is is something you made up to throw Col 2:16-17 to mean something it doesn't.

2. Did you know that under the old covenant annual feasts days there were special ceremonial annual sabbath days that were not God's 4th commandment that could fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle?

Yes, they were all ritual commands along with the fourth commandment. They have all passed away. Matt 5:17 “Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God’s law will disappear until its purpose is achieved. It was all achieved at Calvary.

3. If there are many different kinds of annual ceremonial sabbaths connected to the new moons and feast days that can fall on any day of the week as shown above and if the context of Colossians 2:16 is to the shadow sabbaths v17 and the new moons in the annual feast days what sabbaths do you think Colossians 2 is talking about?

Thing is in Col 2 Paul mentioned the Sabbaths that fell on any day. He called them feast days and then in a separate word he mentioned the weekly Sabbath.

BTW there is no mention of the 10 commandments in Colossians 2. The context is to the ceremonial shadow laws from the Mosaic book of the old covenant. Also, there was no ISRAEL or JEWS when JESUS says the Sabbath was made for all mankind *Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27

That is not an accurate statement LGW, Paul mentioned the weekly Sabbath found in the ten. Col 2:16

Look forward to your response. (scripture please)

I aim to please.

guevaraj · Sep 9, 2020

Bob S said:
First of all you are confused as to how many days God did His creation, it was six days. The following day He rested.

Brother, God created the Sabbath on the seventh day. The Sabbath is not a day of the week in Israel, where it falls between two days. Taking the "night" of the six-day and the "day" of the seventh day. Tell me Bob! When did God make "the Sabbath" "holy"?

Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. (Exodus 20:8-11 NIV)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

pasifika · Sep 10, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Hi Pasifika, thanks for your reply but I do not understand it or can I see how it addresses the questions asked in the post you are quoting from below..

1. How can God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath which God made on the "seventh day" of creation *GENESIS 2:1-3 be a "SHADOW LAW" when mankind was in perfect harmony with God and talked face to face with God when there was NO SIN and no need of God's plan of salvation and when God's Sabbath was a part of the FINISHED work of creation?

The "SHADOW LAWS" were only made after the fall of mankind as part of God's plan of salvation for mankind. There was no Shadow laws when the Sabbath was made and the Sabbath was made before sin when man was in perfect harmony with God.

2. Did you know that under the old covenant annual feasts days there were special ceremonial annual sabbath days that were not God's 4th commandment that could fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle?

3. If there are many different kinds of annual ceremonial sabbaths connected to the new moons and feast days that can fall on any day of the week as shown above and if the context of Colossians 2:16 is to the shadow sabbaths v17 and the new moons in the annual feast days what sabbaths do you think Colossians 2 is talking about?

BTW there is no mention of the 10 commandments in Colossians 2. The context is to the ceremonial shadow laws from the Mosaic book of the old covenant. Also, there was no ISRAEL or JEWS when JESUS says the Sabbath was made for all mankind *Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27

Look forward to your response. (scripture please)

Hello LGW, read Leviticus 23:33 for All the Lords appointed festivals and sabbath days in which the 7days sabbath is part of it. Which I think Colossians 2:16 is about.

Ezekiel 20:10-12..Therefore I led them out of Egypt and brought them into the wilderness. I gave them my decrees and made known to them my laws, by which a person who obeys them will live. I also gave them my sabbaths as a sign between us, so they know that I the Lord who made them Holy...

LoveGodsWord · Sep 10, 2020

pasifika said:
Hello LGW, read Leviticus 23:33 for All the Lords appointed festivals and sabbath days in which the 7days sabbath is part of it. Which I think Colossians 2:16 is about.

Ezekiel 20:10-12..Therefore I led them out of Egypt and brought them into the wilderness. I gave them my decrees and made known to them my laws, by which a person who obeys them will live. I also gave them my sabbaths as a sign between us, so they know that I the Lord who made them Holy...

Ok did you want to answer my questions now dear friend?

1. How can God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath which God made on the "seventh day" of creation *GENESIS 2:1-3 be a "SHADOW LAW" when mankind was in perfect harmony with God and talked face to face with God when there was NO SIN and no need of God's plan of salvation and when God's Sabbath was a part of the FINISHED work of creation?

The "SHADOW LAWS" were only made after the fall of mankind as part of God's plan of salvation for mankind. There was no Shadow laws when the Sabbath was made and the Sabbath was made before sin when man was in perfect harmony with God.

2. Did you know that under the old covenant annual feasts days there were special ceremonial annual sabbath days that were not God's 4th commandment that could fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle?

3. If there are many different kinds of annual ceremonial sabbaths connected to the new moons and feast days that can fall on any day of the week as shown above and if the context of Colossians 2:16 is to the shadow sabbaths v17 and the new moons in the annual feast days what sabbaths do you think Colossians 2 is talking about?

BTW there is no mention of the 10 commandments in Colossians 2. The context is to the ceremonial shadow laws from the Mosaic book of the old covenant. Also, there was no ISRAEL or JEWS when JESUS says the Sabbath was made for all mankind *Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27

LoveGodsWord · Sep 10, 2020

pasifika said:
Thank you LGW, I believe all the laws given under the old covenant are all pointed to Christ even the 7th day Sabbath.

Yes the 7th day Sabbath reminded the Israelites of their God who works 6 days and rested on the 7th day in creation ( as a memorial as you’ve said). That same God who came as a man and died in Calvary so the 7th day Sabbath was pointed to Christ the maker of the universe from creation..

Here is a list of old covenant sabbaths beside God's 4th commandment...

1. The sabbaths of the Feast of unleavened bread (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:6-8
2. The sabbath on the annual day of Atonement that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:27-32
3. The sabbath on the annual Feast of Trumpets that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:24-25?
4. The sabbath on the Feast of Booths that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:34-36
5. Feast of first fruits (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:39
6. The sabbaths (sabbaton plural) of holy convocations from the annual feast days *LEVITICUS 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that can fall on any days of the week
7. The sabbath of the land (7 year single cycle) *LEVITICUS 25:2
8. The sabbath of Jubilee - culminating of the 7x7 yearly cycles sabbaths *LEVITICUS 25:9-54
9. Or God's 4th commandment seventh day weekly Sabbath which is one of the 10 commandments that define sin when broken? *EXODUS 20:8-11 from GENESIS 2:1-3

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So as you can see from the scriptures above there are many different kinds of sabbaths in the old testament isn't there. The annual ceremonial sabbaths in the feast days are the shadows of things to come. God's 4th commandment Sabbath however as we saw earlier is one of God's 10 commandments that is a "MEMORIAL" of creations past which points backwards and not forwards so cannot be a shadow of anything.

So if the context of Colossians 2:16 is to the shadow sabbaths and the new moons in the annual feast days what sabbaths do you think Colossians 2 is talking about?

Take your time to prayerfully consider this dear friend and reply when your ready. No hurry.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 10, 2020

pasifika said:
Hello LGW, read Leviticus 23:33 for All the Lords appointed festivals and sabbath days in which the 7days sabbath is part of it. Which I think Colossians 2:16 is about.

Ezekiel 20:10-12..Therefore I led them out of Egypt and brought them into the wilderness. I gave them my decrees and made known to them my laws, by which a person who obeys them will live. I also gave them my sabbaths as a sign between us, so they know that I the Lord who made them Holy...

The Sabbath was made in creation for all mankind not at Egypt *GENESIS 2:1-3; MARK 2:27. There was no JEW, no ISRAEL and no Egypt when God created the Sabbath for all man kind and commands his people to keep it as a Holy day of rest.

Gry9293 · Sep 10, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
The Sabbath was made in creation for all mankind not Egypt *GENESIS 2:1-3; MARK 2:27. There was no JEW, no ISRAEL and no Egypt when God created the Sabbath for all man kind and commands his people to keep it as a Holy day of rest. Those who knowingly break it just like anyone of God's 10 commandments according to the new covenant scriptures stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. Are you prepared to bet your life on what you believe?

God did not command Adam or Eve
to not do anything on the 7th day.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 10, 2020

Gry9293 said:
God did not command Adam or Eve
to not do anything on the 7th day.

Sure he did. Who do you think God made the Sabbath for *MARK 2:27?

Gry9293 · Sep 10, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Sure he did. Who do you think God made the Sabbath for?

Show me in the bible where God commanded Adam and Eve to not do anything on the 7th day of the week.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 10, 2020

Gry9293 said:
Show me in the bible where God commanded Adam and Eve to not do anything on the 7th day of the week.

Here you go... MARK 2:27; GENESIS 2:1-3. Adam and Eve were made on the 6th day of creation GENESIS 1:26-31 and the Sabbath was made on the 7th day of creation for mankind (Adam and Eve) *GENESIS 2:1-3.

Gry9293 · Sep 10, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Here you go... MARK 2:27; GENESIS 2:1-3

You are not telling the truth.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 10, 2020

Gry9293 said:
You are not telling the truth.

Sure I am. They are God's Words not mine. Who do you think JESUS made the Sabbath for *MARK 2:27 if not for Adam and Eve who are the parents of all mankind? There was no sin when the Sabbath was made for all mankind. No Jew and no Gentile and no ISRAEL and no MOSES. These are God's Words not mine. Your responding to God's Word with your own words that are not God's but yours. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it according to the scriptures. *ROMANS 3:4.

Gry9293 · Sep 10, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Sure I am. Who do you think JESUS made the Sabbath for *MARK 2:27 if not for Adam and Eve?

I am not going to speculate with you
Show me where it is written that God gave Adam and Eve
any other commandment other than the
one about eating from the tree.

Show me.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 10, 2020

Gry9293 said:
I am not going to speculate with you
Show me where it is written that God gave Adam and Eve
any other commandment other than the
one about eating from the tree.

Show me.

There is no speculation. You were given the very words of JESUS stating that the sabbath was made for man in MARK 2:27. They are God's Words not my words. God's Word (not my words) state that the Sabbath was made on the seventh day of the creation week *GENESIS 2:1-3 when there was no sin and only Adam and Eve.

Gry9293 · Sep 10, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
There is no speculation. You were given the very words of JESUS stating that the sabbath was made for man. The Sabbath was made on the seventh day of the creation week *GENESIS 2:1-3. They are God's Words not mine.

I got you.

No commandment given to Adam and Eve
concerning the Sabbath.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 10, 2020

Gry9293 said:
I got you.
No commandment given to Adam and Eve concerning the Sabbath.

Nope you got nothing. MARK 2:27. God did not bless the seventh day and make it a holy day of rest for himself. He made it for all mankind on the seventh day of the creation week as a memorial of creation and God as the creator of heaven and earth. GENESIS 2:1-3; EXODUS 20:8-11

Gry9293 · Sep 10, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Nope you got nothing. MARK 2:27

We shall see what God has to say about it.

I win again.

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