The Sabbath of the TEN Commandments - for all mankind (V2)

[HARK!]

You who belongs to a group of people who believe that all Christendom except the SDA church is Babylon stoop to use those Babylonians to prove a point?

Can you prove that assertion? That looks like a malicious smear to me.

 

[HARK!]

Where does it say for all eternity? In fact Is 65 tells us that man might live as long as a tree. Man will live to be over one hundred.

Will there be death when sin is taken away?

 

[solid_core]

Will there be death when sin is taken away?

When Christ resurrected dead saints from the OT era who were sleeping in sheol, He won over the death and everybody who believes in Him already crossed the line from death to life - will not go to sheol, but to God.

Physical death will be still there as long as there will be a physical being. Matter is not in eternal state, but changes based on pure mechanical principles.

 

[HARK!]

Let the rivers clap their hands, Let the mountains sing together for joy

You do realize that Psalms are songs; right?

You understand that this is poetry; no?

Have you ever heard of poetic license?

I don't recall Yahshua reciting poetry. When he would speak metaphorically, he would close with "let him who has ears, hear," or something to that effect.

If we go by your logic, we can treat the whole Bible as a metaphor; thereby making it say whatever our wicked hearts want it to.

 

[HARK!]

everybody who believes in Him already crossed the line from death to life - will not go to sheol, but to God.

Wrong.

 

[HARK!]

Acts 18:
4 And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.

He could have left out the word Sabbath since it's unimportant according to you. It would have simply said he was reasoning in the synagogue and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks. He specifically says the SABBATH because IT IS IMPORTANT. YET YOU IGNORE THIS CLEARLY.

Good point!

 

[solid_core]

Wrong.

Luckily, your opinion is not the right one

 

[HARK!]

Luckily, your opinion is not the right one

I give no esteem to your false god of luck.

I rely on scripture; and you can't back your false claims with scripture.

 

[Andre_b]

Paul plainly wrote that the ten commandments were temporary and Jewish scholars know it to be a ceremonial law.

That's not true. Show me where Paul says do not keep the 10 commandments.

Earthly sanctuary is a copy of the heavenly one, what is inside the ark of the covenant again?
Answer: Deuteronomy 10 "And I will write on the tablets the words that were on the first tablets that you broke, and you shall put them in the ark.'

Read Hebrews 9
1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.

6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
--- Heaven Sanctuary is the ORIGINAL. The earthly one is a COPY/REPLICA. The tables of stone are the same laws of the heavenly one.

22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Jesus will enter the Most Holy ONCE IN THE END OF THE WORLD.

Rev. 11:19 says, “Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm.”

The ark on earth is only a copy of the original which is in Heaven. When giving Moses the instructions for building the tabernacle furnishings, God told Moses, “See that you make them according to the pattern shown you on the mountain” (Exodus 25:40). In other words they would be replicas, not originals.

And the writer of Hebrews said when the Lord entered the tabernacle with His blood as our high priest, He entered the greater and more perfect one that was not man made, that is to say not part of this creation (Hebrews 9:11-12).

Therefore, the ark of the covenant in view in Rev. 11:19 is not the man made copy from Earth, but the heavenly original.

 

[Bob S]

Can you show us a "Prophesy" that teaches the Messiah was coming to "end the Law"? From Gen to Malachi I find no such prophesy. Please post them so we can all see the Prophecies you are claiming exists.

It seems like you are having difficulty understanding what I wrote since I never said there was a prophecy about ending the law. I will oblige with one though, it is Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
You will not impress me by telling me that the laws of the covenant Israel "brake" are the same laws found in the new covenant. According to Jesus and the Apostle Paul that is not true. Paul tells me not to allow you to tell me I have to keep the shadow laws of the old covenant Col 2:16-17. He tell us a few of them like what to eat, keeping feast Sabbaths, new moon celebrations, and the weekly Sabbath of the ten commandments that also bit the dust according to the following verses. 2Cor 3:
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
Paul in those verses tells us that the ten commandments were done away. They have been replaced by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

And this prophesy from Jesus Himself, about the fulfillment of future works HE also came to do, shall we ignore them?

Jesus said He came to fulfil the law and the prophets. You tell us that Jesus didn't do what He said He came to do, thus He wasn't telling us the truth. Jesus did all the law required of Him He said in John 15 that He kept the Father's commandments then He asked that we keep His new commandment. His commandment for us is to love others as Jesus loves us. He didn't mention a bunch of ritual laws from the covenant He kept. Love is what Jesus wants from us And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Matt 25:40

I can show you many things, but as long as you are not willing to see that there are truths yet to be understood I would be wasting my time.

 

[Bob S]

That's not true. Show me where Paul says do not keep the 10 commandments.

I wrote:

Paul plainly wrote that the ten commandments were temporary and Jewish scholars know it to be a ceremonial law.

How is it you able to somehow twist what I wrote into "Paul says do not keep the ten commandments"?

 

[Andre_b]

It seems like you are having difficulty understanding what I wrote since I never said there was a prophecy about ending the law. I will oblige with one though, it is Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
You will not impress me by telling me that the laws of the covenant Israel "brake" are the same laws found in the new covenant. According to Jesus and the Apostle Paul that is not true. Paul tells me not to allow you to tell me I have to keep the shadow laws of the old covenant Col 2:16-17. He tell us a few of them like what to eat, keeping feast Sabbaths, new moon celebrations, and the weekly Sabbath of the ten commandments that also bit the dust according to the following verses. 2Cor 3:
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
Paul in those verses tells us that the ten commandments were done away. They have been replaced by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.


Jesus said He came to fulfil the law and the prophets. You tell us that Jesus didn't do what He said He came to do, thus He wasn't telling us the truth. Jesus did all the law required of Him He said in John 15 that He kept the Father's commandments then He asked that we keep His new commandment. His commandment for us is to love others as Jesus loves us. He didn't mention a bunch of ritual laws from the covenant He kept. Love is what Jesus wants from us And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Matt 25:40

I can show you many things, but as long as you are not willing to see that there are truths yet to be understood I would be wasting my time.

It's amazing how you continue to post the same out of context verses. We all know the covenant at Sinai wasn't made with the fathers before. The nation of Israel was born and the LAWS OF MOSES. Again, Moses was MINISTERING THE RITUALS FOR BREAKING THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, NOW JESUS IS OUR MINISTER THROUGH THE SPIRIT. It's not hard to understand. You love to combine covenants and laws together, we all know this, yet we know MULTIPLE COVENANTS WERE DONE WITH NOAH, ABRAHAM, MOSES, ETC.

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill." - Do you see this as saying he did not destroy, but to destroy? NO IT SAYS TO FULFILL, AS IN MAKE IT MORE FULL/COMPLETE. Why do you think Jesus magnified the 10 commandments? To abolish it? How ridiculous that would be. Again, this is preaching lawlessness. He made it "more full" (fulfill) spiritually. Like the example of Adultery and Murder in the heart. But you seem to love to DESTROY God's LAW for some reason.

Romans 3:31
Do we, then, nullify the Law by this faith? Certainly not! Instead, we uphold the Law.

We are saved by Grace yes, but you uphold the Law the best you can BECAUSE YOU LOVE GOD.

What don't you understand in these verse?
Please explain what I did not come to DESTROY means?

 

[Andre_b]

I wrote:
How is it you able to somehow twist what I wrote into "Paul says do not keep the ten commandments"?

No where does Paul ever says do not keep God's commandments or Ten Commandments or whatever tablets, etc. That's how you twist the scripture to say this.

 

[BobRyan]

He came to do two things, according to the verse, ending the prophecies about His coming and likewise ending the Law.

Can you show us a "Prophesy" that teaches the Messiah was coming to "end the Law"? .

It seems like you are having difficulty understanding what I wrote since I never said there was a prophecy about ending the law. I will oblige with one though, ....

I am wondering if we all are reading the same posts

 

[HARK!]

It seems like you are having difficulty understanding what I wrote since I never said there was a prophecy about ending the law. I will oblige with one though, it is Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Do you understand the difference between the words 'law' and 'covenant'?

YHWH used two different words for a reason.

 

[HARK!]

Why do you think Jesus expanded on the 10 commandments?

I like to use the word "magnified."

 

[HARK!]

Jesus said He came to fulfil the law and the prophets. You tell us that Jesus didn't do what He said He came to do, thus He wasn't telling us the truth. Jesus did all the law required of Him He said in John 15 that He kept the Father's commandments then He asked that we keep His new commandment.

Did he fulfill all prophecy concerning himself?

 

[Bob S]

Can you prove that assertion? That looks like a malicious smear to me.

Your comment only proves that you really do not know much of anything about what the SDA church believes. Before making assertions of what I have written it would be wise to do some research. Ellen White is the prophet of the SDAs Her words are gospel to them and she wrote the following about other churches. "Babylon is said to be “the mother of harlots.” By her daughters must be symbolized churches that cling to her doctrines and traditions, and follow her example of sacrificing the truth and the approval of God, in order to form an unlawful alliance with the world. The message of Revelation 14, announcing the fall of Babylon must apply to religious bodies that were once pure and have become corrupt. Since this message follows the warning of the judgment, it must be given in the last days; therefore it cannot refer to the Roman Church alone, for that church has been in a fallen condition for many centuries. Furthermore, in the eighteenth chapter of the Revelation the people of God are called upon to come out of Babylon. According to this scripture, many of God’s people must still be in Babylon. And in what religious bodies are the greater part of the followers of Christ now to be found? Without doubt, in the various churches professing the Protestant faith. At the time of their rise these churches took a noble stand for God and the truth, and His blessing was with them. Even the unbelieving world was constrained to acknowledge the beneficent results that followed an acceptance of the principles of the gospel. In the words of the prophet to Israel: “Thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through My comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.” But they fell by the same desire which was the curse and ruin of Israel—the desire of imitating the practices and courting the friendship of the ungodly. “Thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown.”" Ezekiel 16:14, 15. {GC 382.3}

GC is: The Great Controversy. The SDA church totes that book a one of Ellen's greatest.

If you do not agree with the doctrines of the SDA church you are also a part of Babylon, according to the writings of Ellen.

 

[Andre_b]

Your comment only proves that you really do not know much of anything about what the SDA church believes. Before making assertions of what I have written it would be wise to do some research. Ellen White is the prophet of the SDAs Her words are gospel to them and she wrote the following about other churches. "Babylon is said to be “the mother of harlots.” By her daughters must be symbolized churches that cling to her doctrines and traditions, and follow her example of sacrificing the truth and the approval of God, in order to form an unlawful alliance with the world. The message of Revelation 14, announcing the fall of Babylon must apply to religious bodies that were once pure and have become corrupt. Since this message follows the warning of the judgment, it must be given in the last days; therefore it cannot refer to the Roman Church alone, for that church has been in a fallen condition for many centuries. Furthermore, in the eighteenth chapter of the Revelation the people of God are called upon to come out of Babylon. According to this scripture, many of God’s people must still be in Babylon. And in what religious bodies are the greater part of the followers of Christ now to be found? Without doubt, in the various churches professing the Protestant faith. At the time of their rise these churches took a noble stand for God and the truth, and His blessing was with them. Even the unbelieving world was constrained to acknowledge the beneficent results that followed an acceptance of the principles of the gospel. In the words of the prophet to Israel: “Thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through My comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.” But they fell by the same desire which was the curse and ruin of Israel—the desire of imitating the practices and courting the friendship of the ungodly. “Thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown.”" Ezekiel 16:14, 15. {GC 382.3}

GC is: The Great Controversy. The SDA church totes that book a one of Ellen's greatest.

If you do not agree with the doctrines of the SDA church you are also a part of Babylon, according to the writings of Ellen.

Yes ignore my post of scripture and quote something out of scripture that has nothing to do with the post. Then somehow twist HARK's comments about he being confused because of Ellen or SDA. Where did I or he ever say anything about Ellen or that we even follow her? Please reply to my post instead of ignoring SCRIPTURE and deflect.

 

[Studyman]

It seems like you are having difficulty understanding what I wrote since I never said there was a prophecy about ending the law.

I can only go by what you say. And it seems I am understanding your religion perfectly.

"Did Jesus fulfil the prophecies concerning His coming?"

Jesus fulfilled the Prophesies regarding the Work God gave Him as a human being. But this was only the beginning of the work God gave Him to do. He is still advocating for His People before the Father. He is still "Fulfilling God's Laws" as our High Priest. There are still very important Prophesies which have yet to happened, but until Jesus was made perfect, and given "the sceptre of thy kingdom", these prophesies could not be fulfilled.

This is why Passover is only the beginning shadow of things to come, and not the end as the teaching of "many" who come in Christ's Name, implies.

"He came to do two things, according to the verse, ending the prophecies about His coming and likewise ending the Law."

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

It fascinates me how religious men can read this verse and then, with a straight face, tell me it means Jesus came to "end the law" and end the prophesies. Destroy and Fulfill are the exact opposite in this context. It is clear Jesus knew religious men would come along and preach that Jesus came to "end" His Father's Laws. And He is proactive in telling us, "no I'm not, don't even think it".

Yet the very foundation of the religion you are promoting, the very religion I was born into, is founded on the teaching that Jesus is really saying "Think not that I came to destroy the Law, I came not to destroy, but to destroy." We shouldn't even this such a thing.

This is the really hard part. Because I know there are false doctrines which have corrupted HIS gospel, because He warned of them over and over. And the teaching that Jesus came to "End" His Fathers Commandments is one such wind of doctrine. I also know if I blow the trumpet, most religious men will just get angry and defensive, and will not engage in unbiased examination of scriptures, but will go fully into the self defensive mode and become offended. Basically they will close their eyes and plug there ears, because it seems their religion is more precious to them than the truth of Scriptures.

But if I see a man snared by the yoke of bondage of sin and deception, that held the mainstream religion of Christ's and Isaiah's and Paul's time captive, and I don't warn them, then how is that loving my brother as Jesus loved me?

So Bob, I'm going to shout the warning, not because i want to fight and argue, but because I used to be where you are, and the Love that is now inside me wishes for you to consider what the Christ had written for our admonition. Why?

1 Cor. 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

I asked for a Scriptures which shows of a Prophesy in which the Messiah is said to come to earth as a man and "End God's Laws". I will settle for any verse in which Jesus tells us, or the God of Abraham tells us that His Son will come and take away God's Laws.

You responded;

I will oblige with one though, it is Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Again, how religious men can take the Phrase "I will write My Law on their hearts", and with a straight face, tell me this is a Prophesy where God promises to "End His Law", is beyond me.

But then I feel the same way when the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's Time said Jesus broke God's Commandments by walking and picking a blackberry or ear of corn on the Sabbath. These beliefs most certainly come from a "voice", just not the Voice of God.

But then I remember that 30 years ago I was also convinced of the same foolishness, and only be the Grace of God, and the warnings of a Man who risked His Life for me, was I able to escape this deception.

I will complete my reply in another post and will leave you now with this thought.

Jesus said;

"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

According to the God of the Bible, why were these sheep lost? Was it because God's Law led them astray?