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THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

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Your statement was ...
There is no such scripture. That is why I was asking where is the scripture to support your statement. Your posting unrelated scriptures in relation to what you posted. Seriously though God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) was SPOKEN by God and written by GOD alone on two tables of stone *EXODUS 20:1-17; EXODUS 32:16

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You don't have a clue what he said.
 
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Your claim is the sabbath isn't a shadow. But Col 2 specifically says the sabbath is a shadow with verse 17 the second part of the sentence. The rest of your post is worthless filler.

Nope. No it doesn't. COL 2:16 is not talking about God's 10 Commandments or the 4th Commandment it is talking about CEREMONIAL ORDINACES written in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant for remission of SIN and annual festivals and HOLY DAYS and special SABBATHS of LEV 23 that pointed to Jesus and GOd's plan of salvation.

You mix up your Shadow laws with God's 10 Commandments. Besides God's 4th Commandment which is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH written on stone, there were "SPECIAL" annual ceremonial Sabbath connected to the annual Jewish festivals in the OLD COVENANT written in the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

These special ceremonial Sabbath were not God's 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments but were connected to annual festivals and could fall on ANY DAY of the week depending on the yearly cycle (please read LEVITICUS 23;24-39).

These ceremonial "SPECIAL" Sabbath were connected to..

* Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
* Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
* Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

You have your Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT mixed up with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin (Romans 3:20).

DETAILED SCRIPTURE SUPPORT COLOSSIANS 2 LINKING THE NEW TESTAMENT TO OLD

Sorry brother, God's WORD disagrees with you.


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Yeah so why do you call me a liar? You need to have a chat with Moses, not me on the Deut 5 issue. You seriously need to ask him why his ducks aren't lined up. Sorry but it's you who's mixing shadow laws. Your claim is the sabbath isn't a shadow. But Col 2 specifically says the sabbath is a shadow with verse 17 the second part of the sentence. The rest of your post is worthless filler.

Not really, Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. I have never called you are liar brother as I think that you believe what you are saying. However, only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.
 
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Then why aren't you compliant with the law? You must not have this faith you speak about.

Who says I am not? God is my judge not you.

ROMANS 2:1-13
[1], Wherefore thou art without excuse, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judges another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest dost practise the same things.
[2], And we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against them that practise such things.
[3], And reckonest thou this, O man, who judgest them that practise such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
[4], Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
[5], but after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up for thyself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
[6], who will render to every man according to his works:
[7], to them that by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and incorruption, eternal life:
[8], but unto them that are factious, and obey not the truth, but obey unrighteousness, shall be wrath and indignation,
[9], tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that worketh evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Greek;
[10], but glory and honor and peace to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek:
[11], for there is no respect of persons with God.
[12], For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned under the law shall be judged by the law;
[13], for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified

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Nope. No you didn't :)

Your quoting scripture from HEBREWS 10:1 that is talking about the SHADOW laws of sin offeriengs from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. Read the Chapter CONTEXT you will see this is true.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
 
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Not really, Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. I have never called you are liar brother as I think that you believe what you are saying. However, only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.
Why are you still calling me a liar. It doesn't matter to me how many times you repeat this. You won't convince me that I'm lying.
 
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Who says I am not? God is my judge not you.

ROMANS 2:1-13
[1], Wherefore thou art without excuse, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judges another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest dost practise the same things.
[2], And we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against them that practise such things.
[3], And reckonest thou this, O man, who judgest them that practise such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
[4], Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
[5], but after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up for thyself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
[6], who will render to every man according to his works:
[7], to them that by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and incorruption, eternal life:
[8], but unto them that are factious, and obey not the truth, but obey unrighteousness, shall be wrath and indignation,
[9], tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that worketh evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Greek;
[10], but glory and honor and peace to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek:
[11], for there is no respect of persons with God.
[12], For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned under the law shall be judged by the law;
[13], for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified

Hope this helps.
Yes and He will tell you to your face you didn't keep the law and you'll bow in shame with no come back.

You forgot the Scripture says there aren't any doers of the law.
 
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I did not bear false witness against you brother. I simply stated the truth which is that your posts in reponse to mine on ROMANS 6; ROMANS 7 and ROMANS 8 showing the context you leave out of ROMANS 7:6 did not address the post and the scriptures in the posts that disagreed with you.

Out of all the posts that you have posted how much of it addresses the posts to you that looked in detail at ROMANS 6; ROMANS 7 and ROMANS 8 showing the full CONTEXT of your interpretation of ROMANS 7:6? Your posting replies to my quotes which do not respond to what I have written in

Romans 7:6 Part 1 linked click me.
Romans 7:6 Part 2 linked click me.
Romans 7:6 Part 3 linked click me.
Romans 7:6 Part 4 linked click me.

I actually started to reply to what you had written (still have it) but never bothered posting what I wrote as I noticed you did not address the posts and the scriptures in them that disagreed with your interpretation of ROMANS 7:6. You simply started making strawman argument that no one was talking about or wrote off the scriptures from God's WORD with your words. You quoted sections of the posts I made but did not address the content showing the CONTEXT you leave out of your interpretation of ROMANS 7:6.

Hope this helps.
Thought I'd come back to this post I missed. When you respond to my posts on those you linked I'll be happy to discuss yours further with you.
 
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Sorry brother these are God's WORD not mine. God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27). If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27. GENESIS 2:1-3 was when God made the SABBATH for mankind MARK 2:27. Your confused. BEFORE the written WORD there was the Spoken Word of God your just repeating yourself without addressing any of the posts and scriptures provided to you that disagree with you. Happy to re-post the scriptures again just let me know?

Hope this helps.
So is Rom 7:6.

So is Lk 16:16

So is Gal 5:1-10
 
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Why are you still calling me a liar. It doesn't matter to me how many times you repeat this. You won't convince me that I'm lying.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4
 
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Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

COL 2:16 is not talking about God's 10 Commandments or the 4th Commandment it is talking about CEREMONIAL ORDINACES written in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant for remission of SIN and annual festivals and HOLY DAYS and special SABBATHS of LEV 23 that pointed to Jesus and GOd's plan of salvation.

You mix up your Shadow laws with God's 10 Commandments. Besides God's 4th Commandment which is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH written on stone, there were "SPECIAL" annual ceremonial Sabbath connected to the annual Jewish festivals in the OLD COVENANT written in the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

These special ceremonial Sabbath were not God's 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments but were connected to annual festivals and could fall on ANY DAY of the week depending on the yearly cycle (please read LEVITICUS 23;24-39).

These ceremonial "SPECIAL" Sabbath were connected to..

* Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
* Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
* Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

You have your Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT mixed up with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin (Romans 3:20).

DETAILED SCRIPTURE SUPPORT COLOSSIANS 2 LINKING THE NEW TESTAMENT TO OLD

Sorry brother, God's WORD disagrees with you.


Hope this helps
 
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Yes and He will tell you to your face you didn't keep the law and you'll bow in shame with no come back. You forgot the Scripture says there aren't any doers of the law.

ROMANS 2:1-13
[1], Wherefore thou art without excuse, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judges another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest dost practise the same things.
[2], And we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against them that practise such things.
[3], And reckonest thou this, O man, who judgest them that practise such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
[4], Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
[5], but after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up for thyself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
[6], who will render to every man according to his works:
[7], to them that by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and incorruption, eternal life:
[8], but unto them that are factious, and obey not the truth, but obey unrighteousness, shall be wrath and indignation,
[9], tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that worketh evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Greek;
[10], but glory and honor and peace to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek:
[11], for there is no respect of persons with God.
[12], For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned under the law shall be judged by the law;
[13], for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified

Hope this helps.
 
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Thought I'd come back to this post I missed. When you respond to my posts on those you linked I'll be happy to discuss yours further with you.

Out of all the posts that you have posted how much of it addresses the posts to you that looked in detail at ROMANS 6; ROMANS 7 and ROMANS 8 showing the full CONTEXT of your interpretation of ROMANS 7:6? Your posting replies to my quotes which do not respond to what I have written in

Romans 7:6 Part 1 linked click me.
Romans 7:6 Part 2 linked click me.
Romans 7:6 Part 3 linked click me.
Romans 7:6 Part 4 linked click me.

I actually started to reply to what you had written (still have it) but never bothered posting what I wrote as I noticed you did not address the posts and the scriptures in them that disagreed with your interpretation of ROMANS 7:6. You simply started making strawman argument that no one was talking about or wrote off the scriptures from God's WORD with your words. You quoted sections of the posts I made but did not address the content showing the CONTEXT you leave out of your interpretation of ROMANS 7:6.

Hope this helps.
 
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So is Rom 7:6.
So is Lk 16:16 So is Gal 5:1-10

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27). If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27. GENESIS 2:1-3 was when God made the SABBATH for mankind MARK 2:27. Your confused. BEFORE the written WORD there was the Spoken Word of God your just repeating yourself without addressing any of the posts and scriptures provided to you that disagree with you. Happy to re-post the scriptures again just let me know?

Hope this helps.
 
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Out of all the posts that you have posted how much of it addresses the posts to you that looked in detail at ROMANS 6; ROMANS 7 and ROMANS 8 showing the full CONTEXT of your interpretation of ROMANS 7:6? Your posting replies to my quotes which do not respond to what I have written in

Romans 7:6 Part 1 linked click me.
Romans 7:6 Part 2 linked click me.
Romans 7:6 Part 3 linked click me.
Romans 7:6 Part 4 linked click me.

I actually started to reply to what you had written (still have it) but never bothered posting what I wrote as I noticed you did not address the posts and the scriptures in them that disagreed with your interpretation of ROMANS 7:6. You simply started making strawman argument that no one was talking about or wrote off the scriptures from God's WORD with your words. You quoted sections of the posts I made but did not address the content showing the CONTEXT you leave out of your interpretation of ROMANS 7:6.

Hope this helps.
Yes I have and I linked them for you.
 
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The Sabbath is 100% meant for today, and it's not "any day" you choose! It is such a BLESSING to obey. Who wouldn't want to rest in the presence of an appointed time with God? So many think that the Laws are a punishment but they are the complete opposite! There's so much research out there that recommend a day of rest with all the lifelong benefits! God wants us to live long and prosper! We are to project God's image to this world!

“Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God’s law will disappear until its purpose is achieved. So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God’s laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. (Matthew 5:17-19)

Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith. So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law. After all, is God the God of the Jews only? Isn’t he also the God of the Gentiles? Of course he is. There is only one God, and he makes people right with himself only by faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles. Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law. (‭Romans‬ ‭3‬:‭27-31‬)


That sabbath is Jesus. "No, I came to accomplish their purpose."

Jesus is the time of rest that the old law foretold.

For the law, having a shadow of the coming good things, not the image itself of the things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually yearly, perfect those who approach.

We can follow the law out of joy, and we need not worry about the details, becasue the new law is written in our hearts, and we simply follow our hearts now, in Jesus name, :amen:.
 
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The Sabbath is 100% meant for today, and it's ... It is such a BLESSING ....

Matthew 11:28-30
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
 
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