THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

[ace of hearts]

Whos says rest is attanable by the law?

To what are you inferring?

If no one has ever said or believe such things why pretend that they have?

What are you talking about?

Scripture is never the problem. The CONTEXT you leave out and your interpretation of the scriptures however is another story as already shown by providing God's WORD in previous posts that show your error of interpretation that you choose to ignore. The sad thing however is that ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear as it will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48. At this time however it will be too late for many that had the chance to hear God's WORD but choose to turn away from it.

Yes that's correct.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

To what are you inferring?What are you talking about?Yes that's correct.

Indeed. Read the post you are responding to.

 

[ace of hearts]

Indeed the NEW COVENANT is not like the OLD COVENANT. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT points to? You mix up your SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW in the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

Do you mean I don't understand old and new to be the same thing? Why should anyone need to know what both are especially when it comes to religious ideas? Or any idea for that matter. New implies current to me.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Do you mean I don't understand old and new to be the same thing? Why should anyone need to know what both are especially when it comes to religious ideas? Or any idea for that matter. New implies current to me.

Read the post you are responding to it is not hard to understand.

The NEW COVENANT is not like the OLD COVENANT. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT points to? You mix up your SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW in the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4 over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESIS says those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

 

[ace of hearts]

Indeed. Read the post you are responding to.

Meaningless response without saying what you're talking about. I understand what you said promoting your vanity.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Meaningless response without saying what you're talking about. I understand what you said promoting your vanity.

Not really. Your asking a question already answered in the post you are responding to. You can read can't you? If your having trouble with anything just let me know.

 

[ace of hearts]

Sadly for you this is rubbish brother.

Yes Scripture is rubbish in your eyes.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes Scripture is rubbish in your eyes.

Not at all. I LOVE God's WORD. Sadly some do not love God's WORD and ignore it and do not want to discuss it but promote their own words over God's WORD. The scriptures teach that darkness will not come to light because their deeds were evil *JOHN 3:19.

 

[ace of hearts]

Not really. Your asking a question already answered in the post you are responding to. You can read can't you? If your having trouble with anything just let me know.

You didn't answer my question. That's your standard of posting. I'm not tha only one saying this.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You didn't answer my question. That's your standard of posting. I'm not tha only one saying this.

Well that one has no truth in it. All your posts and questions have been answered with God's WORD showing the context you leave out of your interpretation of the scriptures. You ignore the posts and scriptures and questions provided in love as a help to you. I can only leave this between you and God.

 

[ace of hearts]

Sadly for you this is rubbish brother.

Your standard of debate is to smear another. You really have nothing to say.

 

[ace of hearts]

Your confused and here is why...'

HEBREWS 4:1-11
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4], For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
[5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

NOTE: That those who BELIEVED God's WORD enter into God's REST. Also note the CONTEXT is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5) and those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD did on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. CONTEXT is GOD's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST and those who believe or do not believe God's WORD and enter into that rest.

[6], Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7], Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8], For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9], So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

[10], For he that is entered into his rest (v9 SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11], Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (Heb 3).

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CONCLUSION: HEBREWS 4 is talking about the Gospel rest of BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD; v29 Learn of me; v30 my burden (doing) is light. This agrees with Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. HEBREWS 4:9 is in reference to God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST which is the CONTEXT shown in HEBREWS 4:1-5. HEBREWS 4 therefore with context added is saying that no one enter God's Sabbath rest if they do not BELIEVE God's WORD or follow it.

Do you examine your life everyday searching for possible sin? Why?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Your standard of debate is to smear another. You really have nothing to say.

Well that has no truth in it. You are provided God's WORD. Your response is to ignore it and provide your own words. Only God's WORD is true brother and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Do you examine your life everyday searching for possible sin? Why?

What has that got to do with what you are quoting from? Which was....

Your confused and here is why...'

HEBREWS 4:1-11
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4], For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
[5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

NOTE: That those who BELIEVED God's WORD enter into God's REST. Also note the CONTEXT is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5) and those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD did on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. CONTEXT is GOD's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST and those who believe or do not believe God's WORD and enter into that rest.

[6], Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7], Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8], For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9], So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

[10], For he that is entered into his rest (v9 SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11], Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (Heb 3).

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CONCLUSION: HEBREWS 4 is talking about the Gospel rest of BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD; v29 Learn of me; v30 my burden (doing) is light. This agrees with Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. HEBREWS 4:9 is in reference to God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST which is the CONTEXT shown in HEBREWS 4:1-5. HEBREWS 4 therefore with context added is saying that no one enter God's Sabbath rest if they do not BELIEVE God's WORD or follow it.

Seems you are ignoring God's WORD again

 

[ace of hearts]

Indeed. Read the post you are responding to.

Do you promote the sabbath is the rest of God or even our rest?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Do you promote the sabbath is the rest of God or even our rest?

You do not read the posts and the scriptures provided in love as a help to you do you.

 

[ace of hearts]

Read the post you are responding to it is not hard to understand.

The NEW COVENANT is not like the OLD COVENANT. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT points to? You mix up your SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW in the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4 over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESIS says those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

I read your entire post. You expect me to understand old and new are basically the same thing. If we were talking about cars, houses or airplanes, I would understand that concept. That however isn't the topic of our discussion.

Jesus says if you love Him keep His commandments. Those commandments aren't those of His Father which Jesus kept. We know Jesus kept the law. We also know that Jesus gave at least one new commandment. You claim it's not new because a similar statement is found in the OT. But you don't read what Jesus said. It isn't a quote from the OT as you try to make it by not reading and believing the full sentence. I reference Jn 13:34.

 

[ace of hearts]

You do not read the posts and the scriptures provided in love as a help to you do you.

No I don't agree with you is the entire problem for you.

 

[ace of hearts]

What has that got to do with what you are quoting from? Which was....

Why can't you answer any question? You seem to think I have to respond to every letter found in your posts. My intention is to have a conversation about the contents of your post. Your c&p stuff isn't a response to that. It's preaching and demanding compliance.

Your confused and here is why...'

HEBREWS 4:1-11
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4], For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
[5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Your claim by the above is the Christians is to keep the 7th day sabbath.

Hebrews 4 doesn't discuss a day. Heb 4 discusses rest. That rest it discusses isn't a physical periodic day of physical rest for the body. Neither does it imply were to be in turmoil the other six days of the week.

I asked you pertinent questions you refuse to answer.

NOTE: That those who BELIEVED God's WORD enter into God's REST. Also note the CONTEXT is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5) and those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD did on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. CONTEXT is GOD's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST and those who believe or do not believe God's WORD and enter into that rest.

Those who do the works of the law never enter God's rest. Jesus proves this with His statement found in Mat 11:28-30.

[6], Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7], Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8], For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9], So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

[10], For he that is entered into his rest (v9 SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11], Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (Heb 3).

Your version of that rest is keeping your amended sabbath. Heb 4 isn't talking about that. You can't enter God's rest by keeping the 7th day sabbath. This is a shadow as Col 2:17 says. Yes I know you'll say that's not true. Argue with the Scripture, not me.

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CONCLUSION: HEBREWS 4 is talking about the Gospel rest of BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD; v29 Learn of me; v30 my burden (doing) is light. This agrees with Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. HEBREWS 4:9 is in reference to God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST which is the CONTEXT shown in HEBREWS 4:1-5. HEBREWS 4 therefore with context added is saying that no one enter God's Sabbath rest if they do not BELIEVE God's WORD or follow it.

Seems you are ignoring God's WORD again

I need you to identify what Gospel was preached to them. Abraham believed it and didn't have nor keep the law (famous 10).

Jesus isn't talking about keeping the famous 10 in Mat 11:28-30 which you take parts from. NTL that is excellent advice because the burden of the law isn't light as Peter says in Acts 15.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I read your entire post. You expect me to understand old and new are basically the same thing. If we were talking about cars, houses or airplanes, I would understand that concept. That however isn't the topic of our discussion.

Jesus says if you love Him keep His commandments. Those commandments aren't those of His Father which Jesus kept. We know Jesus kept the law. We also know that Jesus gave at least one new commandment. You claim it's not new because a similar statement is found in the OT. But you don't read what Jesus said. It isn't a quote from the OT as you try to make it by not reading and believing the full sentence. I reference Jn 13:34.

Not at all. The OLD COVENANT is not like the new. Not more SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT. No more SHADOW laws in SIN OFFERINGS, ceremonial Sanctuary laws, Levitical Priesthood and FEASTS that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

God's ETERNAL LAW however has the same role it always has under the NEW COVENANT and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *PHILIPPIANS 2:13. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4