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In the real world, they are still the words of God.I probably know the OT better than you do. The words of Moses were the words of GOD for Israel until Christ.
The scriptures here do not say God's 10 commandments have been ABOLISHED.
How, exactly, does one keep the Sabbath? And what part did animal sacrifice play in keeping it?
How, exactly, does one keep the Sabbath? And what part did animal sacrifice play in keeping it?
Hello there, Checked out your links to other threads you did. Thank you for doing what most here have not, provide scripture in an attempt to back your position.
"Is the sabbath removed"? The sabbath is Saturday. It is a ceremony to be done for Saturday, the seventh day.
However, Christ rose again on Sunday, the first day of the week. In the book of Acts, people had taken communion and came together to worship on the first day of the week, not on the seventh.
You seem to be on the same page as that we understand Luke 24:44 and the such. And we have been told "why" they needed the laws in Galatians 3:19, that it was to be in effect until the "seed should come" Genesis 3:15; Genesis 12:1-3; Galatians 3:16 (Jesus). If we look here, Galatians 3:24-25, the sabbath (saturday) is not binding upon us anymore. See also Ephesians 2:13-15.
Jesus's sacrifice on the cross abolished the first covenant (old law Exodus 20:8) (See also Jeremiah 31:31-34)
He abolished it "in the flesh" - His death on the cross Colossians 2:14-17
The new law aka new covenant came into effect in Acts 2, when Christ's church was established (see Acts 2:36-47). From that point on, people are meeting on the first day of the week, Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:1-2, for example. Another reason to, is like I previously said, Christ rose on the first day of the week, Mark 16:1-6; Luke 24:1; John 20:1. The day the church began was on the first day (Pentecost) see example Leviticus 23:9-16. This is why Sabbath (saturday) is removed and no longer binding.
You should follow the words of Jesus rather than Moses. Those are the words you will be judged by, not Moses'.
Bible scholars believe that Exodus 20 was written at least a century after Exodus 34 and the Deuteronomy version is several centuries after that. Why three versions? And why is the original totally ignored?
Then you must think God is bipolar if he gave commandments to his people, and then comes in the flesh thousands of years later and says “okay guys those commandments are old. No need to do them anymore” But thank God we have the Old and New Testament to know that’s not the case
In the real world, they are still the words of God.
Now your making things up. Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God (Matthew 4:4)
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16)
Jesus is EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God.
Do you have any scripture to share?
Who do we follow, bible scholars or the Word of God? It was the fisherman in Jesus day that God choose to share his WORD. The bible scholars in Jesus that crucified Jesus. Exodus 20 is the first references of when God himself spoke the 10 commandments to his people (Exodus 20:1-17). When it was written is not relevant as it is the order of events.
You do not need to be a bible scholar to know God's WORD. It is a gift of God through his Spirit to those who believe (John 14:26; 16:13; 7:17; 8:31-32; Hebrews 8:11).
Hope this helps.
No, they didn't even begin to write the Talmud until the 400's. Rabbinic Judaism AS WE KNOW IT, did not begin in earnest until after Rabbi Akiva which puts us around 135AD. To say that the Acts 15 letter offers gentiles the Noachide laws in anachronistic (against the timeline) and is therefore simply not true. You keep arguing, but you are arguing against established and recorded history just for the sake of being right. That is one of the reasons we have so much division in the body of Christ.It began to be redacted at that time. It took about 500 years to complete, I believe.
No... you ARE making stuff up to make yourself look good in a debate. With this becoming circular, you can just carry on with others. I don't mind disagreement, but when there isn't even an attempt to factor in established and recorded history... then this isn't about truth for you, it's about being correct.Those 4 laws were an incipient form of the now 7 Noahide laws.
The decision that you say was binding 50 years before the council wasn't binding at synagogues throughout the world because believing gentiles weren't circumcised and observing the law of Moses, yet they were attending synagogues. The fact that followers of Shammai came and tried to impose the more restrictive conditions on them shows that the controversy was still occurring. And it raged for centuries afterwards.
So I really don't understand what it is you are trying to say. The only thing I see that we differ on is whether the controversy was settled, or not.
Shema, literally hear and do or hear and act or hear and obey. This should sound familiar to the modern Christian world but it doesn't because we have allowed the word "faith" to evolve into the meaning of the word "belief." What I mean is... when Paul write that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, and James writes that faith without works is dead... then we have the shema when we put those two verses together. "Faith comes by hearing God and doing whatever it was we heard Him declare." Hear and act on what we hear... that is faith and that is shema. And when we read the great faith chapter (Heb. 11) what do we see? We see each and every example of "faith" being somebody HEARING God and then acting on what they heard.I have to agree with Ken. When I stopped reading the Scriptures from a Western, linear and Greek perspective, I saw how man easily changed the Word of God. If we read from a Hebrew and circular perspective as Jesus did, it is very hard not to hear the Shema in both the Old and the New. Opps, from a Hebrew perspective, there is no Old and New. The Law and Prophets work seamlessly together.
I am not always patient... I try, but we are human.I can't say about the people here, but I do feel sure that many get on Christian boards not to be supportive of the Scriptures, but to attack them in subtle, and not so subtle, ways. That is why I do not have the patience you have in debating. I'm glad you have it, though.
When presenting scientific facts to evolution believers. i have seen the same denial of obvious truths (which, again, I was guilty of myself in the past about the Sabbath), the same weakness in research, the same evasion when asked simple questions, and the same sometimes deliberate twist and spin. The difference is that the evolution believers are generally not distorting the Scriptures, which is far more serious and saddening than distorting scientific data.
What I believe (and I will keep this short because it is not the topic of the thread) is that we can learn about God, discern much of His will, and walk a life pleasing in His sight by reading an NIV or a KJV. But, I also believe we leave food on the table that He would prefer we eat when we ONLY read in the language the original languages have been translated into. So, if we are to "study to show ourselves approved," then that study should include some things that fill some gaps, for example...I suppose that this would be the root at which needs to be addressed.
The OT made MANY predictions/prophecies that this would happen.
So I agree God doesn't change, God in fact placed it in the OT as something that would happen when Christ would come.
So, there is only a lens for people that wish to change things up according to their own desires. I read it for what it is and what is says straight up.
As far as how to study, do you think that God would only give the bible to people that understand Greek?
Is the bible only for the rich and educated?
I am not saying that I don't study the Greek words (because people like to twist scripture it makes it easier to refute them with the original Greek), however one does not need the Greek words to know what the scriptures say. God has made means of people out there in the world that can translate for people that do not have the means.
Did you also know that the bible is written in the 6-12 grade reading level pending on the version (kjv,asv,esv,etc)?
It's really not that hard to understand, people make it hard with their own desires/wishes.
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