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If Jesus doesn't, how can anyone? And why would He introduce the subject of the keys & mid-sentence suddenly start talking about binding & loosing? i think what I am asserting is a much more plauseable supposition.
Not equivalent of, but inclusive with, otherwise why should we believe we need to be sinless?
That's okay, believers still disagree. Roman Catholicism is not one true interpretation, it's an arbitration of many believers disagreeing over what Christianity is and means.
Roman Catholic teachings are expounded quite plainly in the Catechism. When enough people have disagreed seriously enough measures are taken to resolve the matter.
Who resolves what issues? Where does one go in the Christian world to resolve them?
God does not intend evil-He permits it, whether that evil exists within the CC or in other Churches or within ourselves. But His light entered the world and the one thing He guaranteed is that it would not be put out, that the Church He established would endure, in spite of human frailties and sin, to proclaim His message.
You MUST use logic as well.
By splitting up conscientious objections.
God leaves the conscience of people free of human authority.
Yes, but those frailties and sin are present in the authorities in the institutional church, and often God's message has been obscured by those very appointed authorities. Churches emerging generations after their founding by Apostles don't have any lock-hold on God's message. The Old Testament cites numerous leaders of Israel -- where God's visibly present at #1 Temple Street -- who departed God's truth.
God leaves the conscience free of all authority-if that's what we want-and that's often what people want. It's easy to pay lip service to God.
Frailties are guaranteed by a doctrine called Original Sin. But they're also virtually guaranteed to give people excuse to assert their own moral superiority and go their own way, at least until they begin to recognize more of their own frailties. When we join a Church we join with a group of admitted sinners, not a bunch of saints-not yet anyway.
That's specualtion-God preserves His message in spite of people-and I don't see it preserved when SS has produced everything from Lutheranism to Anabaptism to SDAs to JWs.
Last I checked Christianity held to a judgment of people by God. God's an authority also -- last I checked.
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God,To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus: Ep 1:1
I don't see it preserved when AS has produced everything from Roman Catholicism to Ethiopian Orthodox to Coptic to Eastern Orthodox to Russian Orthodox to Anglican.
Originally Posted by ivebeenshown
Paul wrote that those who promote sedition and heresy will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Let me get this straight, you think that we should let "the leaders"
No problem.
I think this is a good point worth repeating, maybe someone will be blessed by it!
GREAT question too. Didja get an answer on this?
This is a false representation, surprised to see it from you since
God's teachings are the same, expounded quite plainly, more plainly than the catechism.
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Gods' an authority whose authority we may or may not allow to fully reign within regardless of whether or not we call ourselves Christian-because He gave us that freedom since the beginning of human history and our rebellious tendencies don't change overnight. Whether the understanding of His will comes by our own interpretation of scripture or that of a pastor or a creed or the writings of this author or that or from denominational traditions and teachings that we've come to learn from and agree with-and its usually a combination of these-we ultimately decide for ourselves, for better or worse, just what that will is and in which ways it will affect our lives.
Yes, I know, and I intended "saints" to mean strictly non-sinners-another common usage.
With all the schism, the agreement is much more profound than any of the squabbles.
You may or may not hear sermons on the gospel preached correctly in any Church-I heard a lot of bogus stuff from my Pentecostal pastors-but the foundation for it has to be sound first of all.
This last part wasn't clear to me. Dogma's only good or bad depending on it's alignment with the truth. The Church simply states that God established a Church for His purposes of spreading His kingdom. The idea of some universal Church that resides in the hearts of believers is not without merit, and, in fact, the CC recognizes those who profess similar faith in Jesus to be "brethren", whereas many non-Catholic Christians don't accept the CC at all. But the idea that God would want the kind of separation we have now, that He would want the Church to exist as a strictly "spiritual" entity and not a visibly locatable one with a united body of beliefs no longer appeals or makes sense to me.
Yes, nice verse-a lot of people quote it.
Couldn't disagree more. Like I said before, the bible was never written to serve as a catechism or theological handbook. The gospel was preached before one word of the NT was written. If the meaning is so clear, we wouldn't have any serious disagreements or dissension.
Couldn't agree more.We should consider spending more time doing that part then lol
God promised that even though we may see affliction, our teachers will not be hidden from our sight. (Isaiah 30:19-21)
I know God won't leave me.
It is possible that I misunderstood what he was trying to convey. I would hope that my brothers and sisters in Christ are not quick to judge me or accuse me of malicious intent. I seek truth and honesty, I seek to crucify my passions with my flesh working by the grace of God, to be free of anger and malice, and to assess all things in truth.
I do know what you mean. Logic is truth. Logic... Logos... see the similarity? Etymology is cool stuff!
You may think so, but the grammar of the passage does not logically necessitate such an interpretation, therefore I am not required to believe it.
To enter the kingdom of Heaven one must be free of all blemish, but this does not mean that one who is free of blemish has necessarily entered the kingdom of Heaven. The Saints, by the power of the Spirit, crucified every lust of the flesh yet walked the earth for the rest of their earthly course.
Do you mean "in charge of you" refers to leaders ?
Actually, non-obedience; not refusal, but that such a thing never was.
In response to the post that mentioned this within this thread.
If the Catholic Church has authority from God, then you are engaging in sedition against established authority. If any other church has authority, then those who do not assent to it are guilty of engaging in sedition.
