THE RULE OF FAITH AND PRACTICE IS ALWAYS SCRIPTURE "ALONE" 2

[LoveGodsWord]

John 6:63 does not mean what you claim - it doesn't even mention the scripture.

Sure it does you just don't believe it.

You said... According to the scriptures Gods' Spirit works through the Word of God (scripture) not separate from it according to John 6:63

Well yes I did thanks for being honest.

You added the word 'Scripture' which is not in the text. Adding to the words of scripture is a serious issue.

I did not add anything. God's Word is recorded in scripture as the written Word of God (2 Timothy 3:15-16). Are you trying to make an argument now that the scriptures are not God's recorded written Word Carl?

I am not pretending anything. I am quoting your argument which is false.

No. What your saying is false. As posted earlier, I never once insisted that the scriptures are Gods' only channel of communication. If you read the OP you would know that. That is the argument that you have said that no one is talking about or has ever said to you. What is being discussed here is that scripture is the only rule of faith. It is the test to know if someone is from God or not from God *1 John 4:1; 1 John 2:3-4. There was some questions asked of you in post # 172 linked that you chose to ignore. Why do you expect me to keep answering your questions why you keep ignoring mine? Did you want to have a go at answering those? So far your only making arguments no one is talking about and pretending I am saying things I have never said to you.

Please answer plainly... What part of leaf's post #166 was not biblical ??????

I already did. I am not doing your reading for you. Please see post # 167 linked and again in post # 176 linked.

Take Care Carl.

 

[Carl Emerson]

OK let the readers decide...

Does the text of John 6:63 reference the Bible???

63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh provides no benefit; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit, and are life.

Yes or No...

 

[LoveGodsWord]

OK let the readers decide...

Well that sounds like a fantastic idea Carl. Perhaps you can show the readers where I have insisted that the scriptures are Gods' only channel of communication. All the reader needs to do is to read the OP to prove that claim wrong.

Does the text of John 6:63 reference the Bible??? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh provides no benefit; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit, and are life. Yes or No...

John 6:63 is scripture from the bible. Where do you get Gods' Word from that is the only rule of faith (Romans 10:17)? There was some questions asked of you in post # 172 linked are you going to answer them or is this a one way discussion? You do not have to answer them if you do not want to just say so.

Take Care Carl

 

[Carl Emerson]

Well that sounds like a fantastic idea Carl. Perhaps you can show the readers where I have insisted that the scriptures are Gods' only channel of communication. All the reader needs to do is to read the OP to prove that claim wrong.

John 6:63 is scripture from the bible. Where do you get Gods' Word from that is the only rule of faith (Romans 10:17)? There was some questions asked of you in post # 172 linked are you going to answer them or is this a one way discussion? You do not have to answer them if you do not want to just say so.

Take Care Carl

OK I repeat...

You said

"Perhaps you can show the readers where I have insisted that the scriptures are Gods' only channel of communication."

According to the scriptures Gods' Spirit works through the Word of God (scripture) not separate from it according to John 6:63

There is your quote that says exactly what you now deny you said.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

OK I repeat...

You said

"Perhaps you can show the readers where I have insisted that the scriptures are Gods' only channel of communication."



There is your quote that says exactly what you now deny you said.

Your posts only prove to me you haven't read it. We are discussing the scriptures as the only rule of faith. Let's talk more when you get a chance to read the OP and you get a chance to answer the questions asked of you that you refuse to answer in post # 172 linked

 

[Carl Emerson]

Fine...

Let the readers decide...

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Fine...Let the readers decide...

Good idea Carl, all they need to do is to read the OP to see your making arguments no one is arguing about. It might be a good idea you do that next time before posting as it would save a lot of unnecessary misunderstanding. I gather you have no intention of answering the questions I asked you in post # 172 linked?

 

[timothyu]

the words that I have spoken to you are spirit, and are life.

And where do we find those words?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

And where do we find those words?

Thankyou. That is the same question I have been asking him that he refuses to answer. Good luck getting a response though

 

[Leaf473]

Maybe it is late your time. See post # 167 linked. I said in the linked post that if your trying to make an argument that only some of the scriptures are Gods' inspired Word then we are in disagreement. According to the scriptures all scriptures is given by inspiration of God (2 Timothy 3:16).

I agree that all scripture is inspired by God.
(Which documents are scripture is another question, but probably a question for different thread.)

Possibly where we disagree is whether "all scripture" is an exact equivalent to "the word of God".

If you are saying that faith comes by hearing and hearing by all scripture, then I think we disagree.

That's why I brought up Luke's use of "the word of God" as it relates to John the baptist. I don't think all scripture came to John.

 

[Leaf473]

Maybe it is late your time.

Yes, I think you're about 12 hours ahead, my man!

 

[Leaf473]

OK let the readers decide...

Does the text of John 6:63 reference the Bible???

63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh provides no benefit; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit, and are life.

Yes or No...

I'm gonna say No.

I don't think "the words that I have spoken to you" is equivalent to the Bible that we have today or all of the scriptures they had available back then.

 

[Carl Emerson]

And where do we find those words?

As LGW say's... not exclusively in scripture, for we know that He speaks direct to the individual.

This verse then is not a reference to scripture but rather the living Words of Christ.

That is where faith comes from - the Word of Christ.

 

[pescador]

And where do we find those words?

John 6:63, "The Spirit is the one who gives life; human nature is of no help! The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life." NET v2.1

 

[timothyu]

not exclusively in scripture, for we know that He speaks direct to the individual

Are we not to test the validate of those words against scripture. We see a lot of comments, even here. where it is claimed to have come by way of the HS but there is no scripture to back it. If the Adversary can led Christianity back into the world and away from the Kingdom as it once did, then speaking to or putting thoughts in the mind of man should be a piece of cake.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Are we not to test the validate of those words against scripture. We see a lot of comments, even here. where it is claimed to have come by way of the HS but there is no scripture to back it. If the Adversary can led Christianity back into the world and away from the Kingdom as it once did, then speaking to or putting thoughts in the mind of man should be a piece of cake.

Yes of course, but that is a separate issue.

John 6:63 is not a reference to the bible as claimed.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes of course, but that is a separate issue.

John 6:63 is not a reference to the bible as claimed.

Then you have just agreed with the OP you did not read. Scripture is the only rule of faith. Of course John 6:63 is a reference to the bible. God's Word is in the bible is it not?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I'm gonna say No.

I don't think "the words that I have spoken to you" is equivalent to the Bible that we have today or all of the scriptures they had available back then.

Think about what you have just said and let me ask you a question. Are the words Jesus has spoken to us in the bible? If you answer yes then you have just disagreed with what you just wrote.

 

[timothyu]

Yes of course, but that is a separate issue.

It directly relates to scripture

 

[timothyu]

John 6:63 is not a reference to the bible as claimed.

Yes of course those words refer to what we are to find as we seek reason to cast off the ways of the flesh, to be born into a new way. Where did you find those words? Were they given to you directly or first in scripture?