The Rich Merchants in the True Structuring of the Revelation

[Jerryhuerta]

What is a false prophetess who causes God's people to eat food sacrificed to idols in your opinion? A faithful woman?

The text denotes two women, the Church, Thyatira, and Jezebel. The Church is symbolized as betrothed to Christ, likened unto a woman (2 Corinthians 11:2). Jezebel illustrates the established papacy, commencing with AD 538.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

Does Revelation 1:5 say that Jesus is the ruler of the kings of the earth? If not, who is their ruler, according to you?
Does Revelation 17:18 say that Babylon the Great reigns over the kings of the earth? If not, what does it say, according to you?

Do the 10 kings of the beast weep and wail over the demise over the harlot whom they destroyed? Or is it the kings of the earth weeping and wailing over her?

PS: It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with Premill or Amil. It's talking about the faithful kings of the earth ruled by Jesus and the unfaithful kings of the earth committing fornication with Babylon the Great, who reigns over them. Babylon the Great the fornicating harlot reigns over the unfaithful kings of the earth instead of Jesus reigning over them, as He does over the faithful kings of the earth

- and we're talking about things that are to take place before the millennium.

Revelation 11 affirms, “The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ,” at the seventh trumpet. Revelation 1:5 does not represent the seventh trumpet. Christ tells us his kingdom is not of this world (John 18:36), and Paul tells us we are subject to “the powers that be,” and that was Daniel’s fourth beast when he wrote it (Romans 13). It is safe to say we are still subject to the powers that be, and you misapprehend Revelation 1:5.

PS: the only faithful kings to Christ in Revelation receive their kingdom when Christ returns (Revelation 2:25-27, 3:21). All the other kings in Revelation, except for those in the eternal state, represent the beast powers in Romans 13.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

No, it doesn't. It says the eighth king is of the seven. King seven is the one who continues for the short space as king eight, the beast.

You’re side-stepping; the text clearly states the eighth head “was, and is not,” and that the sixth head contemporaneously “IS.” The text is the Shibboleth of futurism and preterism; they grope at noonday as in the night.

The detail has the eighth head live before the sixth, as one of the five fallen, not the seventh.

Again, you still haven’t explained how a future leader of the EU lived before Claudius. Revelation 17:9-10 says the eighth head “was” before the sixth, which you say is Claudius. Again, how does the future head of the EU come before the emperor Claudius of ancient times?

 

[Jerryhuerta]

Jerry, here is the text...

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

King 7 (the other is not yet come) is the one who will continue the short space as king 8. It has nothing to do with king 6.

You’re side-stepping; the text clearly states the eighth head “was, and is not,” and that the sixth head contemporaneously “IS.” The text is the Shibboleth of futurism and preterism; they grope at noonday as in the night.

The detail has the eighth head live before the sixth, as one of the five fallen, not the seventh. 3 Resurrections gets it!

Again, you still haven’t explained how a future leader of the EU lived before Claudius. Revelation 17:9-10 says the eighth head “was” before the sixth, which you say is Claudius. Again, how does the future head of the EU come before the emperor Claudius of ancient times?

 

[Jerryhuerta]

Apparently, those rebuilding Babylon don`t know that it shouldn`t rise.

It doesn’t matter if they rebuild the city; it can’t become the habitation of devils when it already is!

 

[Jerryhuerta]

The Papacy does NOT control ALL religions. Remember the harlot is the mother of all prostitutes. The RCC is only one of many religions.

Only the covenant people can become as a harlot (Jeremiah 3:1-3). Only the covenant people are denounced “as a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: therefore, they are become great, and waxen rich” (Jeremiah 5:27). The papacy historically fulfills all the criteria of the little horn/sea beast and cannot fall from grace.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

Agreed that Satan's influence was acting behind all the beasts as kingdoms. As the Prince of the kingdoms of this world, Satan's deception working behind the scenes sought to disrupt God's plans for the nations - to no avail, ultimately.

The Scarlet Beast of Revelation 17 is not to be confused with the other Sea Beast of Revelation 13. They are different Beasts, even if they share some similar features as counterparts of each other.

The Scarlet Beast John said was "ABOUT TO arise...and go into destruction"...soon after, in John's days (Rev. 17:8). The Scarlet Beast had once existed before John was writing, but as he wrote Revelation, that Scarlet Beast kingdom was not then in existence at the time. However, it was soon "about to arise" to existence once more in John's days, and then also, soon after that, to "go into destruction" - heads, horns, harlot, and all.

That Revelation 17 Scarlet Beast found in the wilderness was once in existence as the independent kingdom of Israel, established for a duration of about 80 years by the hard-won victories of the Maccabees. But that independent kingdom of Israel was lost when it came under tribute to Roman rule by Pompey in 63 BC. This is why the disciples asked Christ if the time had come in Acts 1:6 to "restore again the kingdom to Israel". The time for that restored kingdom would come when Israel cast off their Roman governance in AD 66 under the Zealot uprising - once again establishing a sovereign kingdom of Israel.

This Scarlet Beast / independent kingdom of Israel would not last long, however. In AD 70, it was destroyed, as John had predicted back in AD 59/60 was "about to" happen.

The seven "kings" on this Scarlet Beast are not monarchs as such. They are the "kings of the earth", which scripture tells us are the high priests of the land of Israel. Those particular "seven kings" were the seven and the eighth high priests of the corrupt house of Annas, who served one after another between the years of AD 6 until AD 66.

Five of these high priest "kings of the earth" had already "fallen" in death by the time John was writing (Annas, Eleazar, Caiphas, Jonathan, and Matthias). One high priest, Theophilus ben Annas, was still living, and the 7th had not yet been appointed high priest as of the time John was writing in AD 59/60. When that 7th high priest king did come into office (Ananus ben Annas, in AD 63), it would only be for a "short space" of 3 months before he was deposed for overstepping the limits of his authority.

Following Ananus, that deposed 7th high priest, the eighth high priest "king" was a grandson of Annas - Mattathias ben Theophilus - who was "of the seven" because he was of the house and lineage of Annas. Mattathias as the eighth high priest from Annas' family in power in AD 66 was ALSO Israel's titular leader as the "Scarlet Beast", which re-emerged to existence again in AD 66 as the independent kingdom of Israel via the Zealot rebellion.

Neither Mattathias nor the Scarlet Beast lasted beyond that AD 70 year. Both had gone into destruction by then.

The Scarlet Beast's 10 "horns" (which had been given power as kings for one brief "hour" with the Scarlet Beast) are listed by Josephus as the 10 generals who were given authority by Jerusalem to prepare the various regions of Israel for the expected attack by Rome in retaliation for the Zealot rebellion (Wars 2.20.4). These 10 chosen generals "hated the harlot" which Jerusalem had become by her high priests working in collusion with Rome to retain their position and the flow of temple riches into their own pockets. Anyone who was suspected of being a Roman sympathizer became a target for the Zealots' hatred, who held control of Jerusalem from late AD 66 until early AD 70.

Show us in scripture that the phrase “the kings of the earth” is defined as “the high priests of the land of Israel,” if you can, and in contradiction to your concession, the beasts “specifically represent kingdoms.” And that would be Satan's kingdoms.

 

[Douggg]

The detail has the eighth head live before the sixth, as one of the five fallen, not the seventh.

Jerry, the text of Revelation 17:10-11, say the eighth is of the seven other kings.

Who is king seven, not yet come? Who when comes must continue a short space. And how long is the short space ?

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

 

[Douggg]

You’re side-stepping; the text clearly states the eighth head “was, and is not,”

Jerry, here is the text. You are truncating the text, leaving out the "is" .

Revelation 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Revelation 17:8b... and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

 

[Douggg]

The Papacy does NOT control ALL religions. Remember the harlot is the mother of all prostitutes. The RCC is only one of many religions.

Hi Marilyn,

The great harlot is one of the harlots of Mystery, Babylon the Great, the mystical kingdom of Satan and his angels.

The great harlot in Revelation 17 is the Vatican. But the Vatican, nor the RCC, are Mystery, Babylon the Great.

Mystery, Babylon the Great is not only the mother of prostitutes - all false religions - but also is responsible for the abominations of the earth.

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The over-riding conflict in the Bible is the rebellion of Satan against God - that began when iniquity was found in Satan, which resulted in him to trying to upsurp God's creation and turn it away from worshiping God to worshiping himself, Satan.

The Scarlet beast is Satan. The mystery about Satan in verse 8 - when solved, is about how Satan used the garden of Eden serpent beast to upsurp God's creation, and that Satan will use the end time person - as the beast - for his agenda to rise above God and be worshiped like the Most High.

In verse 8 - the beast who was and is not - is the garden of Eden serpent beast.

the beast who was, is not, yet is - is the end times beast person.

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When we read about any conflict in the bible, at the root of it is the Satan against God conflict, that goes back to the beginning. Keep that in mind, and then what we read in Revelation will become clear.

Ezekiel 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

 

[3 Resurrections]

The papacy historically fulfills all the criteria of the little horn/sea beast and cannot fall from grace.

Scripture tells us that the Sea Beast was given the throne of Satan (Revelation 13:2) which was situated in the city of Pergamos (Revelation 2:13). The Papacy was never given the 40' tall altar of Pergamos - "Satan's throne". Therefore, the Papacy cannot be the Sea Beast. But the Roman Republic WAS given this entire Pergamum kingdom along with its 40' tall altar in Pergamos back in 133 BC. This Pergamum kingdom was a bequest from the dying king Attalus III who had no living heir who could inherit his kingdom. This links the ancient Roman Republic with the Sea Beast character.

Show us in scripture that the phrase “the kings of the earth” is defined as “the high priests of the land of Israel,” if you can,

Look at the prophecy of Christ's crucifixion death and ascension found in Psalms 2:2-3. "The kings of the earth rise up, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us."

These Psalms 2:2-3 verses were interpreted by the early Jerusalem believers in Acts 4:26-29. They recognized that Israel's high priest "kings of the earth" and the "rulers" of the Sanhedrin had "taken counsel together" to put Christ to death and to cast away the "cords" of Christ's New Covenant bonds of the kingdom of heaven that had been preached to them. The believers asked God to "behold their threatenings" which the kings of the earth high priesthood had just made against the disciples (those threatenings which had come from Annas, Caiaphas, John, Alexander, and as many as were of the kindred of the high priest who were gathered together at Jerusalem - Acts 4:6).

Take note also of the short story of Peter paying the tribute money from the coin miraculously found in the fish's mouth in Matthew 17:25. Christ asked Peter "Of whom do the kings of the earth take toll or tax? From their sons or from others?" This story was about the collection of the Temple Tax, which was to be paid only in that specific Tyrian shekel or half-shekel coin every year (the exact coin which was found in the fish's mouth that Peter caught). The high priesthood "kings of the earth" were exempt from paying this annual Temple Tax, because this ancient practice taken from Moses's days made the high priests and their families the recipients of the benefits this Temple Tax provided. The "sons" as sons of the high priest kings of the earth were also "free" from paying this yearly poll tax taken of all other adult males in Israel.

 

[Marilyn C]

Hi Marilyn,

The great harlot is one of the harlots of Mystery, Babylon the Great, the mystical kingdom of Satan and his angels.

The great harlot in Revelation 17 is the Vatican. But the Vatican, nor the RCC, are Mystery, Babylon the Great.

Mystery, Babylon the Great is not only the mother of prostitutes - all false religions - but also is responsible for the abominations of the earth.

____________________________________________________________________________________

The over-riding conflict in the Bible is the rebellion of Satan against God - that began when iniquity was found in Satan, which resulted in him to trying to upsurp God's creation and turn it away from worshiping God to worshiping himself, Satan.

The Scarlet beast is Satan. The mystery about Satan in verse 8 - when solved, is about how Satan used the garden of Eden serpent beast to upsurp God's creation, and that Satan will use the end time person - as the beast - for his agenda to rise above God and be worshiped like the Most High.

In verse 8 - the beast who was and is not - is the garden of Eden serpent beast.

the beast who was, is not, yet is - is the end times beast person.

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When we read about any conflict in the bible, at the root of it is the Satan against God conflict, that goes back to the beginning. Keep that in mind, and then what we read in Revelation will become clear.

Ezekiel 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Remember the 10 King Federation get rid of the Harlot. So, you seem to be saying that the 10 kings get rid of Satan.

 

[Marilyn C]

It doesn’t matter if they rebuild the city; it can’t become the habitation of devils when it already is!

The whole world system is the habitation of devils.

 

[Marilyn C]

Only the covenant people can become as a harlot (Jeremiah 3:1-3). Only the covenant people are denounced “as a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: therefore, they are become great, and waxen rich” (Jeremiah 5:27). The papacy historically fulfills all the criteria of the little horn/sea beast and cannot fall from grace.

Yes ancient Israel was described as that. However, in our time all the religions of the world are coming under a global religion.

 

[Douggg]

Remember the 10 King Federation get rid of the Harlot. So, you seem to be saying that the 10 kings get rid of Satan.

I wrote that the Harlot is the Vatican. The ten EU kings who will support the beast will burn the Vatican to the ground, bitter of always having to accommodate the Vatican politically. It makes sense when the political history of Europe is taken into consideration.

The Harlot is riding the beast (Satan). She herself is not Satan.

 

[Marilyn C]

I wrote that the Harlot is the Vatican. The ten EU kings who will support the beast will burn the Vatican to the ground, bitter of always having to accommodate the Vatican politically. It makes sense when the political history of Europe is taken into consideration.

The Harlot is riding the beast (Satan). She herself is not Satan.

So please show me how the Vatican is controlling all religions. Remember the harlot is a world`s religion.

 

[Douggg]

So please show me how the Vatican is controlling all religions. Remember the harlot is a world`s religion.

Marilyn, I don't hold that position. The Vatican is not controlling all the religions of the world.

But the Vatican, through the RCC has influence in all the nations of the world, making the RCC a worldwide religion, with the power base in Rome.

The harlot is the Vatican
Mystery Babylon the Great is the mystical kingdom of Satan and his angels

Two different things. The Vatican came under the influence of the Mystery Babylon the Great and persecuted and killed Christians in large numbers during the Inquisition.

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Marilyn, there will be a one world religion of sorts imposed on the world, when the beast will be worshiped, as well as the statue image of him. That's in the future, during the last 42 months of the seven years.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

The whole world system is the habitation of devils.

But only the fallen Church can be described as "becoming" “the habitation of devils.”

 

[Jerryhuerta]

Scripture tells us that the Sea Beast was given the throne of Satan (Revelation 13:2) which was situated in the city of Pergamos (Revelation 2:13). The Papacy was never given the 40' tall altar of Pergamos - "Satan's throne". Therefore, the Papacy cannot be the Sea Beast. But the Roman Republic WAS given this entire Pergamum kingdom along with its 40' tall altar in Pergamos back in 133 BC. This Pergamum kingdom was a bequest from the dying king Attalus III who had no living heir who could inherit his kingdom. This links the ancient Roman Republic with the Sea Beast character.

Look at the prophecy of Christ's crucifixion death and ascension found in Psalms 2:2-3. "The kings of the earth rise up, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying, Let us brake their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us."

These Psalms 2:2-3 verses were interpreted by the early Jerusalem believers in Acts 4:26-29. They recognized that Israel's high priest "kings of the earth" and the "rulers" of the Sanhedrin had "taken counsel together" to put Christ to death and to cast away the "cords" of Christ's New Covenant bonds of the kingdom of heaven that had been preached to them. The believers asked God to "behold their threatenings" which the kings of the earth high priesthood had just made against the disciples (those threatenings which had come from Annas, Caiaphas, John, Alexander, and as many as were of the kindred of the high priest who were gathered together at Jerusalem - Acts 4:6).

Take note also of the short story of Peter paying the tribute money from the coin miraculously found in the fish's mouth in Matthew 17:25. Christ asked Peter "Of whom do the kings of the earth take toll or tax? From their sons or from others?" This story was about the collection of the Temple Tax, which was to be paid only in that specific Tyrian shekel or half-shekel coin every year (the exact coin which was found in the fish's mouth that Peter caught). The high priesthood "kings of the earth" were exempt from paying this annual Temple Tax, because this ancient practice taken from Moses's days made the high priests and their families the recipients of the benefits this Temple Tax provided. The "sons" as sons of the high priest kings of the earth were also "free" from paying this yearly poll tax taken of all other adult males in Israel.

13:2 says, “the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority,” referring to the sea beast. The dragon’s antecedent is the red dragon in 12 who stood ready to devour the “man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.” Obviously, the dragon illustrates pagan Rome.

The seven churches are prophetic as well as historical. After the persecution by Diocletian, during the Smyrna era, the Church gained status in the pagan city of Rome under Constantine, fulfilling the Pergamos era. From that time, the power of the Roman church grew to usurp a see of cardinals.

The ten kings are the ten toes in Daniel 2 and horns upon the fourth beast, Rome, in 7. History affirms the Germanic kings conquered Rome. Chapter 13 represents the risen ten kings from Daniel, illustrated as having crowns on their heads. This represents papal feudal times.

We know the “seven kings” are also beasts from chapter 17. 17:9-11 tells us the scarlet beast is one of the seven and the eighth. You’ve conceded “beasts specifically represent kingdoms.” Then the seven kings are kingdoms (like in Daniel), and the scarlet beast/kingdom lived before the sixth. This fits perfectly with the history of Rome's fall and the papacy's rise. And I don't have to conflate the seven kings with the ten kings to do just that.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

Jerry, the text of Revelation 17:10-11, say the eighth is of the seven other kings.

Who is king seven, not yet come? Who when comes must continue a short space. And how long is the short space ?

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Revelation 17:11 says the eighth “is of the seven;” it doesn’t say he “was the seventh,” which is what you are forcing it to say. Again, your Shibboleth is the detail that the eighth king is the revived fifth one, who “was” before the sixth.

Again, you still haven’t explained how a future leader of the EU lived before Claudius. Revelation 17:9-10 says the eighth head “was” before the sixth, which you say is Claudius. Again, how does the future head of the EU come before the emperor Claudius of ancient times?