The Restitution Of All Things A.K.A. Universalism

[Pneuma3]

Dear Hugs: Being brilliant can have side issues which may be hard to deal with. I am pleased your brilliant friend is helping others a lot. There is no simple road back into fellowship with Abba. A heart that longs to know Him, a simple humility of spirit, & a simple obedience to His voice in the inner man/ woman I believe are the foundations by which we are expanded by His love and grace.

The following book by Thomas Allin is one of the finest works F.L. has read.For any one reading these words: print it off and quietly present yourself before your Father in your favorite prayer closet and read.

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ChristTriumphant.htm

Yup very good book, the restitution of all things by Andrew Jukes and of the same title George Hawtin are also very good.

 

[needhugs]

Yup very good book, the restitution of all things by Andrew Jukes and of the same title George Hawtin are also very good.

i think i sent you a PM... check your inbox at the top of the screen.. the header.

 

[Pneuma3]

i think i sent you a PM... check your inbox at the top of the screen.. the header.

nothing there.

 

[needhugs]

nothing there.

i just tried again, do you see it?

 

[Pneuma3]

got it and replied

 

[FineLinen]

11. Would not endless punishment be the return of evil for evil?

12. As we are commanded "to overcome evil with good," may we not safely infer that God will do the same? (Rom. 12:21)

13. Would the infliction of endless punishment be overcoming evil with good?

14. If God hates the sinner, does the sinner do wrong in hating Him?

15. Is God a changeable being? (James 1:17)

16. If God loves His enemies now, will he not always love them?

17. Is it just for God to be "kind to the evil and unthankful," in their present life? (Luke 6:35)

To be continued

18. Would it be unjust for God to be kind to all men in a future state?

19. If all men justly deserve endless punishment, will not those who are saved, be saved unjustly?

20. If God "will by no means clear the guilty," by what means can just punishment be evaded? (Ex. 34:7)

21. As no man can measure endless punishment to his neighbor, will endless punishment be measured to him? (Luke 4:38)

22. Would it be merciful in God to inflict endless punishment? -- that is, merciful to the sufferer?

23. Can that be just which is not merciful?

24. Do not cruelty and injustice go hand in hand?

25. Can that be merciful which is not just?

To be continued

 

[FineLinen]

18. Would it be unjust for God to be kind to all men in a future state?

19. If all men justly deserve endless punishment, will not those who are saved, be saved unjustly?

20. If God "will by no means clear the guilty," by what means can just punishment be evaded? (Ex. 34:7)

21. As no man can measure endless punishment to his neighbor, will endless punishment be measured to him? (Luke 4:38)

22. Would it be merciful in God to inflict endless punishment? -- that is, merciful to the sufferer?

23. Can that be just which is not merciful?

24. Do not cruelty and injustice go hand in hand?

25. Can that be merciful which is not just?

To be continued

26. Does divine justice demand the infliction of pain from which mercy recoils?

27. Does divine mercy require any thing that justice refuses to grant?

28. If the demands of divine justice are opposed to the requirements of mercy, is not God divided against Himself?

29. If the requirements of mercy are opposed to the demands of the justice of God, can His kingdom stand? -- (Mark 3:24)

30. If the justice and mercy of God are any way opposed, do they "keep the unity of the spirit in the bonds of peace?'

To be continued

 

[FineLinen]

Why has our link fallen silent? We are only up to 30 questions of over 200! Why has nobody attempted to answer one single one?

My friends and potential friends, F.L. and Mrs. F.L. are heading home from a wonderful face to face with a few old friends of many moons. I do wish we could meet you in an environment where the Living One is present among us. But, we are here in this little dimension of the internet, and it is here we shall continue to speak of our Father and His mighty purpose in the Son of His love. May His Presence quicken us together as we begin to grasp a few more digits of the Author of PI.

 

[FineLinen]

"...we have the redemption through His blood, the release from sins, coming with the rich gift which He poured into us with all wisdom and intelligence; making known to us the mystery of His intention, with His decision which He had determined with Himself to administer at the completion of the periods, when everything was to be centred again in the Messiah, both upon the heavens and a upon the earth : in Him, by Whom we have also inherited according to His purpose Who foresees and energizes all things, which have been prepared to accomplish the intention of His will;..."

Please note:

The restitution of the all is a "mystery" that must be "made known" by the Lord. This mystery is His "intention" & "His "decision" determined "with Himself".

There is no consultation with anyone, it is exclusively determined within Himself!

 

[FineLinen]

"...we have the redemption through His blood, the release from sins, coming with the rich gift which He poured into us with all wisdom and intelligence; making known to us the mystery of His intention, with His decision which He had determined with Himself to administer at the completion of the periods, when everything was to be centred again in the Messiah, both upon the heavens and a upon the earth : in Him, by Whom we have also inherited according to His purpose Who foresees and energizes all things, which have been prepared to accomplish the intention of His will;..."

Please note:

The restitution of the all is a "mystery" that must be "made known" by the Lord. This mystery is His "intention" & "His "decision" determined "with Himself".

There is no consultation with anyone, it is exclusively determined within Himself!

 

[FineLinen]

"...we have the redemption through His blood, the release from sins, coming with the rich gift which He poured into us with all wisdom and intelligence; making known to us the mystery of His intention, with His decision which He had determined with Himself to administer at the completion of the periods, when everything was to be centred again in the Messiah, both upon the heavens and a upon the earth : in Him, by Whom we have also inherited according to His purpose Who foresees and energizes all things, which have been prepared to accomplish the intention of His will;..."

Please note:

The restitution of the all is a "mystery" that must be "made known" by the Lord. This mystery is His "intention" & "His "decision" determined "with Himself".

There is no consultation with anyone, it is exclusively determined within Himself!

"...through Jesus Christ, in accordance with the kind intention and good pleasure of His will— to the praise of His glorious grace and favor, which He so freely bestowed on us in the Beloved [His Son, Jesus Christ]. In Him we have redemption [that is, our deliverance and salvation] through His blood, [which paid the penalty for our sin and resulted in] the forgiveness and complete pardon of our sin, in accordance with the riches of His grace which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and understanding [with practical insight] He made known to usthe mystery of His will according to His good pleasure, which He purposed in Christ, with regard to the fulfillment of the times [that is, the end of history, the climax of the ages]—bring all things together in Christ, [both] things in the heavens and things on the earth."

 

[FineLinen]

26. Does divine justice demand the infliction of pain from which mercy recoils?

27. Does divine mercy require any thing that justice refuses to grant?

28. If the demands of divine justice are opposed to the requirements of mercy, is not God divided against Himself?

29. If the requirements of mercy are opposed to the demands of the justice of God, can His kingdom stand? -- (Mark 3:24)

30. If the justice and mercy of God are any way opposed, do they "keep the unity of the spirit in the bonds of peace?'

To be continued

31. If justice and mercy are opposed to their requirements can Deity be a just God and a Savior? -- (Isaiah 14:21)

32. If "a God all mercy is a God unjust," would not a God all justice be a God unmerciful?

33. Is there any such thing in God as unjust mercy, or unmerciful justice?

34. Is there any such thing in God as just cruelty, or merciful injustice?

35. If you had sufficient power would you not deliver all men from sin?

To be continued

 

[FineLinen]

"Any true definition of Christian Universalism MUST INCLUDE THE BELIEF that God is all Sovereign, loving, powerful, wise, just, and ultimately rules over everything. It MUST ALSO INCLUDE the belief that salvation is only by faith in God and was finalized by Jesus Christ "who gave Himself a ransom for all" (1 Tim 2:6). The definition of Christian Universalism DOES INCLUDE THE BELIEF that God "will have all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:4)."

 

[FineLinen]

"Faithful is this saying and deserving of universal acceptance: and here is the motive of our toiling and wrestling, because we have our hopes fixed on the ever-living God, who is the Saviour of all mankind, and especially of believers. Command this and teach this."

Especially= malista

Only= monon/ monos

Note

1. God is the Saviour of all mankind.

2. He is not a potential Saviour.

3. He is [the] Saviour of all mankind.

4. He is not the Saviour of only those who believe/ trust in Him.

5. He is the Saviour "especially" of those who trust in Him.

6. Command this & teach this.

 

[needhugs]

Hi FL... sorry, i was on another thread hearing about the problem of good and evil, it was very satisfying to my heart, and now i have moved on to the next question... the next chink in my armour

in Job it says that God 'wounds and He heals'

in the NT it says 'after you have suffered a little while'

and we are supposed to partake in Jesus' suffering, i think

i don't know how to have a good faith for my healing if i'm thinking God WANTS me to suffer

does anybody have a study done on suffering? a revelation?

 

[FineLinen]

Hi FL... sorry, i was on another thread hearing about the problem of good and evil, it was very satisfying to my heart, and now i have moved on to the next question... the next chink in my armour

in Job it says that God 'wounds and He heals'

in the NT it says 'after you have suffered a little while'

and we are supposed to partake in Jesus' suffering, i think

i don't know how to have a good faith for my healing if i'm thinking God WANTS me to suffer

does anybody have a study done on suffering? a revelation?

Hi Hugs. F.L. is not quite home to my "chateau" so this will be brief. Do not say goody!

God does NOT want you to suffer. Suffering is but a road all of us experience in one degree or another (some in intense degrees). Think of it in this way: in our battles there are spoils to be won. We are enhanced by the road as well as the destination.

My dear Hugs: We are coming home from visiting some who are on the third floor of a rest home. On that floor you cannot push the elevator button to leave unless you know the code.

I know F.L. posted this earlier, but a brother who was in an insane ward wrote on the wall regarding the love of God. There is no where He is not, and it is there He meets with us!

“Though we are incomplete, God loves us completely. Though we are imperfect, He loves us perfectly. Though we may feel lost and without compass, God's love encompasses us completely. ... He loves every one of us, even those who are flawed, rejected, awkward, sorrowful, or broken.” - Dieter F. Uchtdorf-

 

[FineLinen]

Honey In The Rock


Oh my brother, do you know the Savior
Who is wondrous kind and true?
He’s the Rock of your salvation
There is honey in the Rock for you

Oh, honey in the Rock (oh, honey in the Rock)
Sweet honey in the Rock (sweet honey in the Rock)
Oh it tastes just like honey in the Rock
Oh taste and see if the Lord is good
Oh it tastes just like honey in the Rock

Have you tasted that the Lord is gracious?
Do you walk in the way that’s new?
have you drank from the living fountain?
There is honey in the Rock for you

Oh, there’s honey in the Rock my brother
There is honey in the Rock for you
Leave your sins fur the Blood to cover
There is honey in the Rock for you

 

[needhugs]

Hi Hugs. F.L. is not quite home to my "chateau" so this will be brief. Do not say goody!

God does NOT want you to suffer. Suffering is but a road all of us experience in one degree or another (some in intense degrees). Think of it in this way: in our battles there are spoils to be won. We are enhanced by the road as well as the destination.

My dear Hugs: We are coming home from visiting some who are on the third floor of a rest home. On that floor you cannot push the elevator button to leave unless you know the code.

I know F.L. posted this earlier, but a brother who was in an insane ward wrote on the wall regarding the love of God. There is no where He is not, and it is there He meets with us!

“Though we are incomplete, God loves us completely. Though we are imperfect, He loves us perfectly. Though we may feel lost and without compass, God's love encompasses us completely. ... He loves every one of us, even those who are flawed, rejected, awkward, sorrowful, or broken.” - Dieter F. Uchtdorf-

but it clearly says that God chastens, and in Job, HE wounds, and He heals
how do i know when my chastening is done?
how do i know when God is done making me suffer and it's time to have faith for healing?
God told me that i was like Joseph, and i had to wait for healing...
how long? and what am i supposed to be doing in the mean time?
what was Joseph doing?

 

[FineLinen]

but it clearly says that God chastens, and in Job, HE wounds, and He heals
how do i know when my chastening is done?
how do i know when God is done making me suffer and it's time to have faith for healing?
God told me that i was like Joseph, and i had to wait for healing...
how long? and what am i supposed to be doing in the mean time?
what was Joseph doing?

Dear Hugs: Your friend F.L. is now home to his "chateau" and in the process of putting together a few Scriptures on the purposes of suffering. For the moment let's take a few moments to consider>>>>>>

Synonym Discussion of suffering
distress, suffering, misery, agony mean the state of being in great trouble. distress implies an external and usually temporary cause of great physical or mental strain and stress.

• ⟨the hurricane put everyone in great distress⟩

suffering implies conscious endurance of pain or distress.

• ⟨the suffering of famine victims⟩

misery stresses the unhappiness attending especially sickness, poverty, or loss.

• ⟨the homeless live with misery every day⟩

agony suggests pain too intense to be borne.

• • ⟨in agony over the death of their child⟩

 

[FineLinen]