The Restitution Of All Things A.K.A. Universalism

[FineLinen]

Tell me... have you ever had a full-body electric BUZZZZ!!! from God

Does being hit dead on with a swirling 1 1/2 ft rolling ball of fire count? And there are those who do not believe "ball lightning"exists! F.L. does!

Dear Hugs: Pneuma as you are finding out is a choice stone from our Father's Quarry. He has always been one He can count on. This is dawning as another glorious day in our Father's Realm and not shabby here in earthly dimensions He is touching.

 

[needhugs]

Does being hit dead on with a swirling 1 1/2 ft rolling ball of fire count? And there are those who do not believe "ball lightning"exists! F.L. does!

Dear Hugs: Pneuma as you are finding out is a choice stone from our Father's Quarry. He has always been one He can count on. This is dawning as another glorious day in our Father's Realm and not shabby here in earthly dimensions He is touching.

OH MY DOG!!!!! ball lightning is soooo scary!!! what did it do to you? you ok?
Yes, I like pneuma already, he doesn't ignore me if i say something weird, he answers like a boss lol
I don't think ball lightning is the same thing...
haha, but i was sitting here wondering about it, and this scripture, about 'the quickening' came to mind
Romans 8:10-12 King James Version (KJV)
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Did you see the original 'Highlander' movies with Christopher Lambert? when they got downloaded with another immortal's info, it was electricity, and they called it 'the quickening'

isn't it odd, that satanic hollywood seems to know some of the stuff that we SHOULD know, but don't?

that scripture talks about SIN being in your body, and the quickening gets rid of that situation.

there is absolutely NO NEED for a temporary hell even... unless God does want to punish someone.

 

[FineLinen]

OH MY DOG!!!!! ball lightning is soooo scary!!! what did it do to you? you ok?
Yes, I like pneuma already, he doesn't ignore me if i say something weird, he answers like a boss lol

Are you kidding! Is there one single thing appearing "normal" about F.L.? We are all going to like Pneuma unless you want to "retort" & then you better be prepared in your homework assignment.

 

[needhugs]

Are you kidding! Is there one single thing appearing "normal" about F.L.? We are all going to like Pneuma unless you want to "retort" & then you better be prepared in your homework assignment.

hahaha, i don't retort, i merely submit for conversation purposes... the only time i retort is to the ET mean people and i say some thing like 'ppppffffffft, just get out!' lol
yes, FL you don't seem normal, but you are not on the bad side of not normal, you are on the sweet side... so maybe you DID get a severe quickening?

 

[FineLinen]

hahaha, i don't retort, i merely submit for conversation purposes... the only time i retort is to the ET mean people and i say some thing like 'ppppffffffft, just get out!' lol
yes, FL you don't seem normal, but you are not on the bad side of not normal, you are on the sweet side... so maybe you DID get a severe quickening?

Hugs it took nearly forty years before the "severe" quickening, and with six large words I thought I would die! The Glory bathing those words continues to transform me to this day! (No I will not disclose the words!)

 

[needhugs]

Hugs it took nearly forty years before the "severe" quickening, and with six large words I thought I would die! The Glory bathing those words continues to transform me to this day! (No I will not disclose the words!)

but why??? i'm telling all my secrets lol... maybe those words would help others toooooo...
did the large words come with the lightning?
and what is 'it' that took 40 years?
explain? i'm very much wanting to know!

 

[FineLinen]

but why??? i'm telling all my secrets lol... maybe those words would help others toooooo...
did the large words come with the lightning?
and what is 'it' that took 40 years?
explain? i'm very much wanting to know!

My dear lady: You must continue to stand in His Presence. Then it will not be necessary to hear anything second hand. No lightning, just glory with a capital "G". I will not disclose one iota of the experience! NOTHING.

 

[needhugs]

My dear lady: You must continue to stand in His Presence. Then it will not be necessary to hear anything second hand. No lightning, just glory with a capital "G". I will not disclose one iota of the experience! NOTHING.

But but but... what if you are holding 'the key'... what if you know about the TRUE nature of God??? i'm seeking it, the 'something more' just past UR... destroying the works of the devil... destroying ALL HELL... no more wrath? what if it's a clue? or was it just for you personally dealing with your personal life??? if it was that, then sorry for asking.
but we overcome by the Blood of the Lamb AND THE WORD OF OUR TESTIMONY... we are to testify!!!

 

[needhugs]

My dear lady: You must continue to stand in His Presence. Then it will not be necessary to hear anything second hand. No lightning, just glory with a capital "G". I will not disclose one iota of the experience! NOTHING.

How many times have you made people desire that glory by telling that you got it, and then refused to share??? for what purpose would you tell?

 

[FineLinen]

But but but... what if you are holding 'the key'... what if you know about the TRUE nature of God??? i'm seeking it, the 'something more' just past UR... destroying the works of the devil... destroying ALL HELL... no more wrath? what if it's a clue? or was it just for you personally dealing with your personal life??? if it was that, then sorry for asking.
but we overcome by the Blood of the Lamb AND THE WORD OF OUR TESTIMONY... we are to testify!!!

Hugs: The "key" lies in the One who holds the keys of death and hell!

 

[needhugs]

Hugs: The "key" lies in the One who holds the keys of death and hell!

yes, i know that, but God loves to reveal through 'the foolishness of preaching'
God doesn't tell every thing to every one. we are to freely give, as we have freely received

 

[FineLinen]

yes, i know that, but God loves to reveal through 'the foolishness of preaching'
God doesn't tell every thing to every one. we are to freely give, as we have freely received

My dear Hugs: Go to the unspoken sermon of George MacDonald and read "The Consuming Fire" in it's entirety. In that "sermon" you will find what Abba spoke to F.L. 75 years later. That is it, no prying allowed!

 

[needhugs]

My dear Hugs: Go to the unspoken sermon of George MacDonald and read "The Consuming Fire" in it's entirety. In that "sermon" you will find what Abba spoke to F.L. 75 years later. That is it, no prying allowed!

thank you, kind sir i will go and google it now... i'm excited!!

 

[needhugs]

My dear Hugs: Go to the unspoken sermon of George MacDonald and read "The Consuming Fire" in it's entirety. In that "sermon" you will find what Abba spoke to F.L. 75 years later. That is it, no prying allowed!

That was beautiful AND terrifying... because i have just come out of nearly 20 years of torture, and i am no longer 'resisting' this niggling feeling of a love more vast and perfect than i can comprehend... That 'full' revelation!!

that IS the key!!!!

the scriptures can be torn in two!!! one for the ones who believe in the torture, and one for the ones who believe in the LOVE. but it is not a clean tear of pages... even tho there is a scripture about the smell 'the gospel is a sweet perfume to those being saved, and a stench to those perishing' (please forgive me for not trying to find the exact wordings right now)

I had a problem 'there is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end is death'... i understood that all MY good and attempts at goodness lead to VERY MUCH BADNESS in the end... and this is TERRIFYING to find out, because we DO fear that we can't escape ourselves!
the good and the evil in a person are inexplicably intertwined, and I got a vision the other day, that God was separating good and evil in me, and of course the only thing on the good side was GOD

there was no good in me i guess, just a facsimile of it, because we are only in God's IMAGE, we are not God.

Tho God now sings me songs 'Don't lose your mind. Don't lose your good heart'

i used to think i had a good heart, when i was young and trying so hard to be good... i know differently, about that heart now... but if God says i have a good heart, then i have a good heart now.

'replace your heart of stone, with a heart of flesh.'

i must go listen to that preaching again!

 

[FineLinen]

That was beautiful AND terrifying... because i have just come out of nearly 20 years of torture, and i am no longer 'resisting' this niggling feeling of a love more vast and perfect than i can comprehend... That 'full' revelation!!

that IS the key!!!!

the scriptures can be torn in two!!! one for the ones who believe in the torture, and one for the ones who believe in the LOVE. but it is not a clean tear of pages... even tho there is a scripture about the smell 'the gospel is a sweet perfume to those being saved, and a stench to those perishing' (please forgive me for not trying to find the exact wordings right now)

I had a problem 'there is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end is death'... i understood that all MY good and attempts at goodness lead to VERY MUCH BADNESS in the end... and this is TERRIFYING to find out, because we DO fear that we can't escape ourselves!
the good and the evil in a person are inexplicably intertwined, and I got a vision the other day, that God was separating good and evil in me, and of course the only thing on the good side was GOD

there was no good in me i guess, just a facsimile of it, because we are only in God's IMAGE, we are not God.

Tho God now sings me songs 'Don't lose your mind. Don't lose your good heart'

i used to think i had a good heart, when i was young and trying so hard to be good... i know differently, about that heart now... but if God says i have a good heart, then i have a good heart now.

'replace your heart of stone, with a heart of flesh.'

i must go listen to that preaching again!

Now, where were we? My dear lady, I prefer the written words, but much thanks for placing before us a mighty man of spirit and truth. I am thankful to Abba for not allowing me to read this "sermon" prior to the experience so many moons ago. I still feel like a newbie in our Fathers mighty Presence, and with pleasure expect the status to continue into the expanses of what He continues to draw us!

You do have a heart after Him, and it is a good heart, that will become gooder and gooder!

 

[Hillsage]

Two of the parables of Christ are responsible more than anything else for the prevailing views of future judgment. one of which is found in the story of the rich man and Lazarus, where Abraham is reported to have said, "Between us and you there is a great gulf fixed";

I see the thread if moving faster than this brother can keep up, without strain upon my peepers. So another 'drive by' posting. But I do want to address my retort to ETers concerning the above AND URers, if you will indulge me to tell my POV. Truth changes with time.

What Abraham spoke to Lazarus was true. But it was only true for the ages in which it was true. Brother FL I am sure that you remember the 4 spiritual laws booklet, we used in presenting the gospel to unbelievers. In that booklet was a picture of 'that very same gulf/chasm', but, in the booklet proclaiming the truth since the cross, we now find there is a CROSS has which bridged that impassable gap. And that is the truth we as well as ETers have believed and lived in. That's how it ended up in the gospel tract. But 'they' unlike 'we' actually know that the gap was bridged for all. All from ages past and All for ages yet to come. During what age our "choosing, calling, election" FROM GOD will come to 'cross that bridge', or dare I say 'bridge that cross', is up to Him. But it will happen when we 'receive the faith TO believe' from Him. And 'that time' will be when our "ordained to believe" time, WILL COME from Him.

And for those who say it's not fair that sinners here get a SECOND CHANCE, I say unto you; they never had their ONE CHANCE. We've received our "ordained to believe" time now, they will receive their ONE CHANCE then. Praise be to the Lord of All and Savior of a pitiful few....oops....Savior of ALL.

Time to rest the physical, grateful to have spoken with the spiritual.....IMO

 

[Pneuma3]

A few years ago a person on tents asked this question.

If all are saved anyway way preach the gospel at all. It is also a question that has come up many times in my journey.

Anyway this was my reply to that person.


For me the reason Jesus was sent and the reason Jesus sends us is to free people through Him from sin and death. Salvation is not complete just because one believes Jesus died for them. Believing is only the starting point on our journey toward full salvation, for we are reconciled by His death, but saved by His life.



All men everywhere are already reconciled by His death, this is a done deal because He died 2000 years ago for all men's reconciliation and mans belief or unbelief CANNOT change this fact. If someone does not believe Jesus died for them simply does not change the fact that He did.



So then all men everywhere have already been reconciled, but not all men are yet saved from sin and death.

Therefore Jesus sends us out in order to proclaim His salvation by His LIFE.

His death reconciled all men, but His LIFE is what saves all men, this salvation is not a one time deal as such, but is a long process of walking in His LIFE and forsaking our own. Taking up the cross and following Him and enduring unto the end that we might be saved.





Thus we are told to proclaim His death and therefore His reconciliation for all men as a FACT that cannot be disputed , and we are to do this so that the entire world can have the same hope in His LIFE that we to have. Thus it is not by His death that sin and death are defeated but by His LIFE.



When we witness about that which Jesus has done, we are first to tell all men that they have been reconciled because of His death, this fact breathes hope into the world that God does indeed love them. Then after people become aware of the fact of this reconciliation by His death we are to proclaim His resurrection. And it is because of the fact that He was resurrected OUT OF DEATH that the world is given hope of the same resurrection OUT OF DEATH. We are NOT saved from death, we are saved OUT OF DEATH, for it was while we were DEAD in sin that He died and was raised to life again for us.



So the resurrection is a moving from DEATH to LIFE, so as He died for all men, so to did He rise for all men, and this is the gospel of the good new toward ALL MEN EVERYWHERE.



If one believes Jesus died for all men, should it not go without saying that when He rose again that it was for all men also? Can we really separate His death from His resurrection? If so, how then can DEATH be swallowed up of LIFE?

 

[Pneuma3]

OH MY DOG!!!!! ball lightning is soooo scary!!! what did it do to you? you ok?
Yes, I like pneuma already, he doesn't ignore me if i say something weird, he answers like a boss lol
I don't think ball lightning is the same thing...
haha, but i was sitting here wondering about it, and this scripture, about 'the quickening' came to mind
Romans 8:10-12 King James Version (KJV)
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Did you see the original 'Highlander' movies with Christopher Lambert? when they got downloaded with another immortal's info, it was electricity, and they called it 'the quickening'

isn't it odd, that satanic hollywood seems to know some of the stuff that we SHOULD know, but don't?

that scripture talks about SIN being in your body, and the quickening gets rid of that situation.

there is absolutely NO NEED for a temporary hell even... unless God does want to punish someone.

Thanks hug, I like you already also

 

[Hillsage]

A few years ago a person on tents asked this question.

If all are saved anyway way preach the gospel at all. It is also a question that has come up many times in my journey.

Anyway this was my reply to that person.


For me the reason Jesus was sent and the reason Jesus sends us is to free people through Him from sin and death. Salvation is not complete just because one believes Jesus died for them. Believing is only the starting point on our journey toward full salvation, for we are reconciled by His death, but saved by His life.



All men everywhere are already reconciled by His death, this is a done deal because He died 2000 years ago for all men's reconciliation and mans belief or unbelief CANNOT change this fact. If someone does not believe Jesus died for them simply does not change the fact that He did.



So then all men everywhere have already been reconciled, but not all men are yet saved from sin and death.

Therefore Jesus sends us out in order to proclaim His salvation by His LIFE.

His death reconciled all men, but His LIFE is what saves all men, this salvation is not a one time deal as such, but is a long process of walking in His LIFE and forsaking our own. Taking up the cross and following Him and enduring unto the end that we might be saved.





Thus we are told to proclaim His death and therefore His reconciliation for all men as a FACT that cannot be disputed , and we are to do this so that the entire world can have the same hope in His LIFE that we to have. Thus it is not by His death that sin and death are defeated but by His LIFE.



When we witness about that which Jesus has done, we are first to tell all men that they have been reconciled because of His death, this fact breathes hope into the world that God does indeed love them. Then after people become aware of the fact of this reconciliation by His death we are to proclaim His resurrection. And it is because of the fact that He was resurrected OUT OF DEATH that the world is given hope of the same resurrection OUT OF DEATH. We are NOT saved from death, we are saved OUT OF DEATH, for it was while we were DEAD in sin that He died and was raised to life again for us.



So the resurrection is a moving from DEATH to LIFE, so as He died for all men, so to did He rise for all men, and this is the gospel of the good new toward ALL MEN EVERYWHERE.



If one believes Jesus died for all men, should it not go without saying that when He rose again that it was for all men also? Can we really separate His death from His resurrection? If so, how then can DEATH be swallowed up of LIFE?

A good word Pneuma. After 17 years of home church God told me it was time for us to be part of a traditional body to minister. After a few years of doing so, our 'Baptist became a Charismatic in Divinity school' pastor, heard I was a UR believer. He called me to his office to 'have a talk'. During that talk he said; "D how can you believe this doctrine? You have brought more people into this church than most....If you think everyone is going to be saved anyway....I don't see WHY?" I told him; "Kent, that's because you don't really understand the doctrine." And being a seminary ingrained 'pastor' he couldn't/wouldn't ask me to explain it, either. We never talked about it again until several years later, not long before they left. But he entrusted me with many spiritual and leadership responsibilities in those years.

During our conversation I told him what I've told many before and since; If there was no heaven or hell in the here after, I'd still be a Christian. Because I lived life 'before God', but I have truly lived life 'since God'. The 'first sermon' gospel which Peter preached to the church on the day of Pentecost explains a salvation most of the church has missed waiting to go to heaven.

ACT 2:38 And Peter said to them, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit....40 And he testified with many other words and exhorted them, saying, "Save yourselves from this crooked generation."

 

[FineLinen]

I see the thread if moving faster than this brother can keep up, without strain upon my peepers. So another 'drive by' posting. But I do want to address my retort to ETers concerning the above AND URers, if you will indulge me to tell my POV. Truth changes with time.

What Abraham spoke to Lazarus was true. But it was only true for the ages in which it was true. Brother FL I am sure that you remember the 4 spiritual laws booklet, we used in presenting the gospel to unbelievers. In that booklet was a picture of 'that very same gulf/chasm', but, in the booklet proclaiming the truth since the cross, we now find there is a CROSS has which bridged that impassable gap. And that is the truth we as well as ETers have believed and lived in. That's how it ended up in the gospel tract. But 'they' unlike 'we' actually know that the gap was bridged for all. All from ages past and All for ages yet to come. During what age our "choosing, calling, election" FROM GOD will come to 'cross that bridge', or dare I say 'bridge that cross', is up to Him. But it will happen when we 'receive the faith TO believe' from Him. And 'that time' will be when our "ordained to believe" time, WILL COME from Him.

And for those who say it's not fair that sinners here get a SECOND CHANCE, I say unto you; they never had their ONE CHANCE. We've received our "ordained to believe" time now, they will receive their ONE CHANCE then. Praise be to the Lord of All and Savior of a pitiful few....oops....Savior of ALL.

Time to rest the physical, grateful to have spoken with the spiritual.....IMO

My brother we have missed you! Hugs dog is bow wowing in the background while his thread moves faster than my poor old being is capable of keeping cadence.

What a wonderfully glorious revelation it is to awaken to the fact our Father's Plan involves zero chance. It is all timing, as God in His own good pleasure calls each of us when He is ready to do so. "Being marked out" for me began before I sat in a massive Church as a mere boy of 12, already asking "where are You?" At 15 with nothing but a wonderful family of support, little F.L. was so miserable inside I would have ended my life. But God! Never once had my ears heard the glorious message of the Saviour of all mankind who loved me, and claimed me as His own. In short order my deep cry was met as the Living One drew my wretched life to His side. I love Him very much!

This link continues to amaze me. What a fine group is assembling to walk in fellowship with the Lord and each other. Others will be coming as the chord is awakened in them as well. In the meantime we will sing to one another, while Hugs dog carries on in the background.