PAfter the unrepentant have been punished for a greater or lesser time will they be filled with warm fuzzies for the God who punished them? The prison recidivism rate is 66+%. Many of those blame everyone but themselves, witnesses, judges, lawyers etc. even to the point of trying to harm them. So how do they change after God has punished them?
a 1000 would be A LOT to me, if i were to get punished for that long!
heck, 20 years has been waaaaay too much for ME!
What about those who do not repent before death?
John 3:16-18
(16) For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
(17) For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
(18) Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
What about those who do not repent before death?
Matthew 7:22-23
(22) Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'
(23) Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
You are welcome! I'm much more simple in my understandings, not sure how much of a help i can be when peeps don't even click on the vids to see the PROOF and TRUTH...
it takes a little time lalala here's a song for ya
you know, i don't know what translation it's in, but i read that one day THE DEAD shall hear His voice, and if they listen, they shall be saved...
Why does the Saviour of all mankind preach to the dead?
"For this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."
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"For it is with this end in view that the Good News was proclaimed even to some who were dead, that they may be judged, as all mankind will be judged, in the body, but may be living a godly life in the spirit."
Robertson Word Pictures Of The New Testament -A. T. Robertson
Philippians 2:10
"That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow (ina en twi onomati Ihsou pan gonu kampshi).
First aorist active subjunctive of kamptw, old verb, to bend, to bow, in purpose clause with ina.
Not perfunctory genuflections whenever the name of Jesus is mentioned, but universal acknowledgment of the majesty and power of Jesus who carries his human name and nature to heaven. This universal homage to Jesus is seen in Romans 8:22; Ephesians 1:20-22 and in particular Revelation 5:13.
Under the earth (kataxtoniwn).
Homeric adjective for departed souls, subterranean, simply the dead. Here only in the N.T."
"For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water....For this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."
We can discuss words and their meaning, but in the end what do we grasp of our Heavenly Father? My earthly father, like all fathers of calibre, loved me and would protect me. We have those who actually believe the Father of all fathers, does not simply correct, and at times chastise, His wayward children, BUT is intent on endless punishment for any that "cross" Him! To add to this already nasty scene, actually adds "unending torment" to the mix. I have no idea what would entertain a person to follow a god like this? I cannot grasp it, not for a second. Fine Linen, for one, will rest His weary head on Abba, who will join me?
"The same is true of aionios in the Septuagint. Out of 150 instances in the Septuagint, four-fifths imply limited duration".
"..."The word always carries the notion of time, and not of eternity. It always means a period of time. Otherwise it would be impossible to account for the plural, or for such qualifying expressions as this age, or the age to come. It does not mean something endless or everlasting."
"...The adjective aionios in like manner carries the idea of time. Neither the noun nor the adjective, in themselves, carry the sense of endless or everlasting."
".... Aionios means enduring through or pertaining to a period of time. Both the noun and the adjective are applied to limited periods."
"...Words which are habitually applied to things temporal or material can not carry in themselves the sense of endlessness."
Wrong! Aionios when applied to God means eternal.Evidently pure assumption based on no evidence. You only proved one side of the equation equals eternal, aidios, not aionios. Scholars agree aionios is used of finite duration.
Furthermore, just because a word is applied to God doesn't make it "eternal".
Irrelevant smokescreen. Does not address my post in any way.According to you the Greek word aion (eon) means "eternal". In 2 Cor.4:4 we read of the "god of this eon". But this eon will end, so it can't be "eternal".
Is this supposed to make sense? How does this address my post?Satan is the "god of this eon" (2 Cor.4:4). The "god" Satan's existence will be "eternal" just like God's existence. But just because the Satan-god is eternal, that doesn't make "eon" eternal when Scripture says he is the "god of this eon".
Meaningless argument. Like a schoolyard taunt, "I'm right and you're wrong! Am too! Nuh huh!"Likewise, neither does it make "eonian" eternal when it is applied to God in Rom.16:26.
More of the same meaningless argumentation, without any support.Therefore your logic has holes in it & your argument fails.
A number of Greek scholars understand Rom.16:25 to refer to a finite duration, even among those biased to endless punishment. Just look at a few dozen Greek lexicons, dictionaries & translations to see for yourself. Do you think you know more than them? Even verse 26 doesn't require aionios mean eternal. As my post documented,
One anonymous tablet of unknown date in Africa does not prove anything about the meaning of eonian, any more than the graffiti on a public wall is evidence of anything. A library of such a writings might be compelling."Adolph Deissman gives this account: "Upon a lead tablet found in the Necropolis at Adrumetum in the Roman province of Africa, near Carthage, the following inscription, belonging to the early third century, is scratched in Greek: 'I am adjuring Thee, the great God, the eonian, and more than eonian (epaionion) and almighty...' If by eonian, endless time were meant, then what could be more than endless time?"
"Origen even makes so-called "eternal life" ("eonian life" in literal translations) finite when he speaks of "after eternal life" & "beyond eternal life":begin
I have already refuted this many times before. Only God is beyond eternal life because only God is greater than life. End of discussion. Your out-of-context quote says NOTHING about after or beyond eternal life for faithful believers. Origen NEVER uses the term "after eternal life" or "beyond eternal life" any other time in any of his writings. If Origen believed there was a after or beyond eternal life for believers his writings would be full of it.
awww, thank you for your prayers... i do TRY, but after having studied, in the end, it was the FAITH Yeshua gave me, that has made me rock solid in this... it took years for Him to confirm this to me, because I was soooo fearful and believing in eternal punishment 'just in case'... but He is not satisfied for me to believe He does that to people, just because i'm too scared to leave the 'catholic crowd'... Eventually I had a revelation about it, feeling SORRY FOR ME for that terrorizing belief, and an 'of COURSE He doesn't do that to people'... but as the revelation came, i YELLED over it 'HELL DOESN'T EXIST!!!!' lol coz i was afraid that the revelation was going to be 'don't worry, He does that to other people but not to YOU' hahaha... so I yelled over it, but it still got thru. and after that, slowly the faith built inside of me... because, as we all know, esp from trying to TELL people the truth about this... it's NOT gonna get into people, unless HE does it.My dear Needhugs: I will take "simple" over anything that even borders on know it all, any day. In the end what we think we know has to stand in the Light of the One we know! The volume of quantity means little if the Gaze does not stand with it! You behaved yourself with the spirit of a warrior of Jesus Christ the Lord, who says well done. You keep rising beyond your great need & He will meet you there as surely as the prisoner of Jesus Christ, brother in chains/glory R. Wurmbrandt. Again my girl, you continue today in my prayers before/in Him!
LittleLady, Our Father continues to amaze me after all these years! He is without doubt the Father of all fathers. Olam is a wonderful study and well worth focusing for a mite. I have visited again today a link I asked you to visit: I believe you can be a help to others! You were a great encouragement to me last night, and again let me say thank you and may He continue to bless and keep you.awww, thank you for your prayers... i do TRY, but after having studied, in the end, it was the FAITH Yeshua gave me, that has made me rock solid in this... it took years for Him to confirm this to me, because I was soooo fearful and believing in eternal punishment 'just in case'... but He is not satisfied for me to believe He does that to people, just because i'm too scared to leave the 'catholic crowd'... Eventually I had a revelation about it, feeling SORRY FOR ME for that terrorizing belief, and an 'of COURSE He doesn't do that to people'... but as the revelation came, i YELLED over it 'HELL DOESN'T EXIST!!!!' lol coz i was afraid that the revelation was going to be 'don't worry, He does that to other people but not to YOU' hahaha... so I yelled over it, but it still got thru. and after that, slowly the faith built inside of me... because, as we all know, esp from trying to TELL people the truth about this... it's NOT gonna get into people, unless HE does it.
hey, you know what i just found out? the word 'forever'... the ever means olam, which i just heard from a Jewish guy means 'the universe' or 'as long as the universe exists'... so that would be UNTIL the 'new heavens and new earth' the final age in the Bible, and the restitution of ALL THINGS
Wrong! Aionios when applied to God means eternal.
Irrelevant smokescreen. Does not address my post in any way.