The Restitution Of All Things A.K.A. Universalism

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86. If God made an endless hell, was it included in the works which He pronounced "very good?" -- (Gen. 1:31)

87. If there be an endless hell, and it was not made before the creation of men, when was it made?

88. If there be a personal devil, who made him?

89. Can there be any such thing as sin in heaven?

90. If there was sin in heaven, many not sin be committed there again?

91. If an angel of light became a devil, was not Paul in error, when he said Satan is transformed into an angel of light? -- (2 Cor 11:14)

92. As sin presupposes temptation of some sort, who tempted a holy angel to sin?

93. If an angel could sin without a devil to tempt him, may we not sin without a devil to tempt us?

94. If a holy angel was tempted to sin by surrounding evil, is heaven a holy place?

95. If an angel was tempted by evil passions, could he have been holy?

Questions Requiring Answers

To be Continued

 

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John Gavazzoni

Index Of The 2018 Writings Of John Gavazzoni

The Fullest Meaning of Christ's Indwelling

Quid Pro Quo? No, NO! NO!!

A Call to (Major) Repentance

With Discontinuance Comes Dissonance

Inept False Witness

Wrath

Gehenna: Yes; Hell: No

Death: Yes; Hell: No

Proclamation vs Exhortation

On the Receiving End

He Comes; He Calls; We Follow

Staking Out a Claim in Godness Territory

All Things Are Of God

There's Clearly a Difference

Peeks into a Refreshed Orthodoxy

The Judgment of God

Regarding John G.

Testimony: John Gavazzoni

John Gavazzoni:

"Christ opened my heart to Himself as a 16 year old teenager, having been raised in the Roman Catholic tradition. My conversion came about mostly through the witness of other teen-agers, including some in the gang I ran with."

"Four of us organized a quartette almost immediately after we had turned to the Lord; and we sang, gave our testimonies and took turns preaching in churches and youth rallies all over...particularly the Pennsylvania area. I preached my first sermon that same year. I began in 'full time ministry' at age 19, traveling with a chalk-artist evangelist as his song-man and youth speaker. About two years after that, I went out on my own conducting local church evangelistic crusades and eventually was asked to join the Eastern Area Crusade Staff of Youth for Christ International, covering an eleven-states area.

It was during that period that I came to the revelation of ultimate reconciliation, specifically while ministering at a summer Bible conference.

"I was confronted by God suddenly and very unexpectedly while I was musing about sermons I'd preached on eternal hell. I heard the voice of the Lord say to me, 'Do you really believe that about me?'

In an instant, the answer leaped out of my spirit, 'No I don't Lord.'

I more or less carried this truth in my heart for many years...enjoying what it meant to me in my relationship with our Heavenly Father..........

 

[FineLinen]

http://www.angelfire.com/la/jlush/falseprophetlist.html

Dear slavejeff: thank you for the list. There are remarkable individuals on it! One of them is Hannah W. Smith>>>>>>>>

The Unselfishness of God by Hannah Whitall Smith
I have always felt that this time my real discovery of the unselfishness of God began. Up to then, while I had rejoiced in the salvation for myself that I had discovered, I had been secretly beset from time to time with a torturing feeling that, after all, it was rather a selfish salvation, both for Him and for me. How could a good God enjoy Himself in Heaven, knowing all the while that a large proportion of the beings He had Himself created were doomed to eternal misery, unless He were a selfish God?

I had known that the Bible said that He was a God of love, and I had supposed that it must be true, but always there had been at the bottom of my mind this secret feeling that His love could not stand the test of comparison with the ideal of love in my own heart. I knew that, poor and imperfect as my love must be,I could never have enjoyed myself in Heaven while one of my children, no matter how naughty, was shut out; and that He could and did enjoy Himself, while countless thousands of His children were shut out, seemed to me a failure in the most essential element of love. So that, grateful as I had felt for the blessings of forgiveness and of a sure and certain hope of Heaven for myself, I still had often felt as if after all the God I worshiped was a selfish God, who cared more for His own comfort and His own glory than He did for the poor suffering beings He had made.

But now I began to see that the wideness of God’s love was far beyond any wideness that I could even conceive of; and that if I took all the unselfish love of every mother’s heart the whole world over, and piled it all together, and multiplied it by millions, I would still only get a faint idea of the unselfishness of God.

I had always thought of Him as loving, but now I found out that He was far more than loving: He was love, love embodied and ingrained. I saw that He was, as it were, made out of love, so that in the very nature of things He could not do anything contrary to love. Not that He would not do it, but actually could not, because love was the very essence of His being. I saw that the law of love, like he law of gravitation, is inevitable in its working, and that God is, if I may say so, under this law, and cannot help obeying it.

The Rest Of The Story

http://womenofchristianity.com/the-unselfishness-of-god-by-hannah-whitall-smith/

 

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[needhugs]

God's sovereignty is everywhere to be traced: the error lies in failing to see that this sovereignty is that of Love.

Again it has been well said that there is no such thing as "pure evil ;" "so unrestrained is the inundation of the principle of good into selfishness and sin itself." - EMERSON on Circles. "There is a soul of goodness in things evil," says the greatest of Englishmen.

We have hints in Scripture that by evil permitted and overcome, something is gained which, perhaps, could not have been otherwise had, e.g., there is "more joy over one repenting sinner, than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance."

And if there is more joy in heaven, there is more love on earth from the same source, "for to whom little is forgiven the same loves little." Sin is very often the result of ignorance; how far this consideration goes I do not decide, but may there not be an element of ignorance in all sin?

Nor should we forget that in sinning, if I may say so, the raw material is very often the same as in the practice of virtue, but turned the wrong way - "there is," says EMERSON, "no moral deformity but is a good passion out of place. I have steadily enforced the guilt of sin, but it remains true that to sin greatly often demands the same qualities, that rightly used would have been great virtues.

Whatever the value of the above considerations, the larger hope has nothing to fear from any theory of sin that can be maintained. Take a lenient view of human guilt, and you thereby shut out endless penalty. Take the very sternest view, and the perpetuation of this awful hostility to God becomes inconceivable.

-Christ Triumphant-

oh my GOSH!!!!! this made me cry, i'm still on the verge of tears...
i have considered myself the greatest evil... and i couldn't understand why, while constantly trying to be GOOD, the harder i tried, the more evil i got... until i was totally demonized and in hell on earth...

and now i can see that somehow, maybe i was meant to be 'good' and.... oh i don't know... i can't quite grasp this, and i can't see to type coz i'm crying

 

[FineLinen]

Dear Hugs: I have missed you! I have exhausted my blessing points, but my "chateau" is pointed toward Abba. You can consider being (fill in the blank), but only One Consideration will be acceptable!

Jesus Christ says "You are Mine!"

He is your Source, He is your Goal! Away with those tears and hear the Sound of Heaven!

Dear Lady: this is a glorious Day. Darkness covers the earth and gross darkness the people, but the Lord is arising with healing in His wings. We are a part of the remnant going out to meet Him. I behold the Day when the knowledge of the Lord shall fill the earth as the waters cover the sea!

But wait there is more

Every dimension of the heavens, the earth & the underworld singing in antiphonal worship>>>>>>>>

Holy>>>>>>Holy>>>>Holy>>>>Holy is the Lord.

 

[needhugs]

Dear Hugs: I have missed you! I have exhausted my blessing points, but my "chateau" is pointed toward Abba. You can consider being (fill in the blank), but only One Consideration will be acceptable!

Jesus Christ says "You are Mine!"

He is your Source, He is your Goal! Away with those tears and hear the Sound of Heaven!

Dear Lady: this is a glorious Day. Darkness covers the earth and gross darkness the people, but the Lord is arising with healing in His wings. We are a part of the remnant going out to meet Him. I behold the Day when the knowledge of the Lord shall fill the earth as the waters cover the sea!

But wait there is more

Every dimension of the heavens, the earth & the underworld singing in antiphonal worship>>>>>>>>

Holy>>>>>>Holy>>>>Holy>>>>Holy is the Lord.

my dear FL.... you are right, Jesus sings to me 'you are MINE'... he sang me this song when i was at my lowest, i had had a very evil nervous breakdown, and i was SHATTERED, utterly heart broken!!!

look at the lyrics He was singing to me... He was true to His Word, He DID come to my rescue and heal even that much evil and pain!!!

 

[FineLinen]

http://www.angelfire.com/la/jlush/falseprophetlist.html

The List Is Flawed!

It failed to put>>>>>>>

1. John Gavazzoli

2. Jonathan Mitchell (author of Koine N.T. Translation)

3. George Hawtin

On it. This will never do! I despise lists that are incomplete!

 

[FineLinen]

my dear FL.... you are right, Jesus sings to me 'you are MINE'... he sang me this song when i was at my lowest, i had had a very evil nervous breakdown, and i was SHATTERED, utterly heart broken!!!

look at the lyrics He was singing to me... He was true to His Word, He DID come to my rescue and heal even that much evil and pain!!!

Dear Hugs: when you hear the Glory One sing to you all other songs fall by the wayside. Many moons ago as a wee F.L. I heard music which seemed like it was between the lines. Please do not disclose any of this to anyone. I would like to seem normal.....oh never mind.

 

[needhugs]

Dear Hugs: when you hear the Glory One sing to you all other songs fall by the wayside. many moons ago as a wee F.L. I heard music which seemed like it was between the lines. Please do not disclose any of this to anyone. I would like to seem normal.....oh never mind.

hahaha!!! yes, FL, it's far toooo late, for you to try to appear normal lolol
we are a peculiar people!!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

As Yahweh says, so it is.

If your name is not on that list, SHALOM !

Otherwise, your fate will be the same as all those on the list of false prophers/ false teachers/ bringing the false gospel..... (which is not only "ur" being wrong, even worse is all the things so deceitful along with it, mainly the lack of repentance it promotes in the lies of all those deceived and fallen by or with it)

The List Is Flawed! It failed to put>>>>>>>
1. John Gavazzoli
2. Jonathan Mitchell (author of Koine N.T. Translation)
3. George Hawtin
On it. This will never do! I despise lists that are incomplete!

 

[FineLinen]

As Yahweh says, so it is.

If your name is not on that list, SHALOM !

Otherwise, your fate will be the same as all those on the list of false prophers/ false teachers/ bringing the false gospel..... (which is not only "ur" being wrong, even worse is all the things so deceitful along with it, mainly the lack of repentance it promotes in the lies of all those deceived and fallen by or with it)

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Who knows specifically what commandments men break when they hold to "ur" universal reconciliation or "u" universalism ?

The apparent main one seems to be all of them - no need to repent today according to all I see them posting (they/we/everyone is going to make it anyway (FALSE!) ) - so how dangerous is that to all the little ones watching and listening to them and watching their lives !?

 

[FineLinen]

Dear slavejeff: much thanks for the incomplete list you have so graciously posted for us. If F.L. could stand in the shadow of some of these righteous individuals it would satisfy me more than words can tell!

As for their fate and mine; it will begin where it began, and end in the consummation of the Source, Guide & Goal of the all, the Father who I love beyond words.

 

[FineLinen]

Who knows specifically what commandments men break when they hold to "ur" universal reconciliation or "u" universalism ?

The apparent main one seems to be all of them - no need to repent today according to all I see them posting (they/we/everyone is going to make it anyway (FALSE!) ) - so how dangerous is that to all the little ones watching and listening to them and watching their lives !?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It seems from a lot of the people you quoted in threads, and your posts like this last one, even your language is 'going' ...... "double-speak" ..... outside of Christ opposed to Scripture ..... >>> calling the unrighteous who are opposed to Jesus and against Scripture "...these righteous ..."

 

[FineLinen]

Dear slavejeff: where do you get such silly notions. Take a little time and explore the writings of some on "the list". You will find men and women who are in tune with the movings of the Holy One. Some I have personally met, who have not been included in the incomplete list. Oh my>>>>>you cannot appreciate the experience in your present slave status. There is hope for you! Our God raises the dead.

 

[Hillsage]

Who knows specifically what commandments men break when they hold to "ur" universal reconciliation or "u" universalism ?

To express such doubt as to "Who knows specifically" I must say your subsequent judgments of us, sound pretty decided. Such dichotomy in two sentences may just say more about your judgmental heart than it does our guilt IMO.

The apparent main one seems to be all of them - no need to repent today according to all I see them posting (they/we/everyone is going to make it anyway (FALSE!) ) - so how dangerous is that to all the little ones watching and listening to them and watching their lives !?

There is no verse in the bible, that I remember, saying you have to 'repent today'. But, if one doesn't understand the 'Spirit' of "today is the day of salvation" then that would certainly explain such confusion. Only religious man has limited God to this 'vapor/mist' of time, for God to fulfill his plan of salvation "in the ages to come". And as far as who the "little ones are watching"?, I can only say I totally agree. The nominal church of today is so indistinguishable from 'the world' that we are loosing the youth at alarming rates, especially in this country. And all the UR brethren that I 'personally' know and have 'known', all live lives at a much more exemplary level. Truly it is the hypocrisy of 'the church' which has disgusted some of them to leave the ORGANIZATION to only fellowship with the living ORGANISM at a home church level. But I am curious, who do you 'personally' know, that is living as these 'poorer' witnesses?

 

[FineLinen]

To express such doubt as to "Who knows specifically" I must say your subsequent judgments of us, sound pretty decided. Such dichotomy in two sentences may just say more about your judgmental heart than it does our guilt IMO.


There is no verse in the bible, that I remember, saying you have to 'repent today'. But, if one doesn't understand the 'Spirit' of "today is the day of salvation" then that would certainly explain such confusion. Only religious man has limited God to this 'vapor/mist' of time, for God to fulfill his plan of salvation "in the ages to come". And as far as who the "little ones are watching"?, I can only say I totally agree. The nominal church of today is so indistinguishable from 'the world' that we are loosing the youth at alarming rates, especially in this country. And all the UR brethren that I 'personally' know and have 'known', all live lives at a much more exemplary level. Truly it is the hypocrisy of 'the church' which has disgusted some of them to leave the ORGANIZATION to only fellowship with the living ORGANISM at a home church level. But I am curious, who do you 'personally' know, that is living as these 'poorer' witnesses?

Dear Hillsage: As a matter of fact, repentance must "be granted" by the Holy One. Furthermore, faith is not even ours, "we live by the faith of the Son of God." Faith from beginning to end flows from Abba! What a wonderful Realm of Him we have entered!

""In the Christian story God descends to reascend. He comes down;.... down to the very roots and sea-bed of the Nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the whole ruined world up with Him." -C.S. Lewis-

 

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By these three prepositions Paul ascribes the universe (ta panta) with all the phenomena concerning creation, redemption, providence to God as the...

Ex= The Source

Di= The Agent

Eiv= The Goal

The Koine, ta pavnte, is the strongest word for all in the Scriptures; it literally means the all.

Romans 11:36=

ta pavnte/ ta panta, "in the absolute sense of the whole of creation, the all things, the universe, and, everything in heaven and earth that is in need of uniting and redeeming."

It is not in the limited sense of "nearly all", "pavnte" minus "ta

The final preposition [eiv) reveals the ultimate goal of all that is. What has been provided in Christ is a re-turn, a re-storation, a re-newing, a re-demption, a re-concilation, a re-surrection, a re-stitution.

The prefix "re" means back again, again, anew--and all the words with this prefix speak of something that left its place and has now made its circuit and come back to the point of its beginning.

In the Christian story God descends to reascend. He comes down;.... down to the very roots and sea-bed of the Nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the whole ruined world up with Him. -C.S. Lewis