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Right. That's the conundrum here. How can there be an unforgivable sin?
Jesus paid the price for all but one? And we have no idea what it is.
It's a difficult passage. And certainly not one to base an argument on.
I don’t see any of that in Luke 12, Mark 3, or Matthew 7. What passage are you quoting? The restitution of all things? That’s an extremely vague passage of scripture in comparison to the ones that specifically state that not everyone will be forgiven and not everyone will enter heaven. Restitution can mean a lot of things, so can the term all things.
Did Jesus say that?Jesus said blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. We may not be able to determine exactly what it is but we can be assured that it does exist.
Did Jesus say that?
Or is that what he appears to have said due to the English translation we have?
Especially when we can see it doesn't make sense. Is it literal or figurative?
What are we left with?
There is a sin that can be committed for which there is no forgiveness. ???
And unfortunately, we have no idea what it is.
I know this is difficult. We put our faith in the scriptures. We don't want anyone telling us they aren't trustworthy. In reality, our trust should be in God, not in an English translation of the Bible.
What is God's Word? The words penned in the language they were spoken in, or our English translation? What are the possibilities that something was lost in translation?
Hopefully you are like me. I hope the Universalists are right.
Like you, I needed evidence. It requires a lot of study to understand.
I had to stop objecting and read the material. As I have studied, my questions are being answered one by one.
All we have to lose is a forever burning hell. Good riddance.
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I'm working my way through this book.
Kindgdom Bible Studies Savior of the World Series Part 1
If you are on the Windows platform I recommend reading view. The book icon in the far right of the search field.
Thanks for your support and this topic.Dear Steve:Many moons ago, before I ever heard the term "restitution of all things", I was a member of a group of churches joined in the fellowship of Spirit. Hundreds of songs were born among us declaring this very thing.
This Road is one of expanding dimensions of Glory, each leading to more and more of Him. Much of this Road, in fact all of this Road, is by breaking. There are many abodes in Father's House, none equal, but all expressions of union and communion.
I appreciate the place you are in the process of becoming. The entire process can involve shazzam moments, and for some it involves long periods of prayer and study. In the end, each of us must know beyond any shadow of doubt that the Burning Bush is real, for we have seen it!
Thanks for your support and this topic.
I have gone far enough down this path to see that there is something to it.
I'm starting to see the holes in the arguments of those who stand boldly against it.
When we reach out in love, they will be attracted. By curiosity if nothing else.
I think most are afraid to say it, but they hope we are right. This works to our advantage.
No one in their right mind applauds a forever burning hell with no hope of escape.
What madness.
Have a blessed day.
This one really stood out to me. Wow....But I want to set down not the arguments of others but the thoughts which have persuaded me personally of universal salvation.
First, there is the fact that there are things in the New Testament which more than justify this belief. Jesus said: "I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself" (John 12:32). Paul writes to the Romans: "God has consigned all men to disobedience that he may have mercy on all" (Rom. 11:32). ...
This one really stood out to me. Wow.
Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
That term "random" sure is funny. What is a "random" person?
Or a "random" person that you could also call "friend"?
Funny indeed. "Like, my friends are like, so random."
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Oh and the reason I referred to FL as friend is because I wish to convey that I have no animosity towards him/her. I’m not sure if this person is male or female so I use the word friend instead of brother or sister. Intentions can often be misunderstood in text and can seem impolite or perhaps rude. I simply wanted to convey that this was not my intention.
Hello S S.No animosity? You called him a random person on the internet that you do not know. Thus devaluing him to dangerous stranger status.
He is first introduced at the stoning of my patron Saint, Stephen
Stoning of Stephen against the Law
Acts 7:1 And the High-priest said, "are these things so?"
54 Now when they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed upon him with their teeth.
56 and he said, "Look! I see the heavens having been opened/ διηνοιγμένους<455>and the Son of the Man standing out of rights of the God!"
58 and dragged him out of the city and began to stone him.
His accusers took off their coats and laid them at the feet of a young man named Saul
Romans 13:11
And this being aware/knowing the time, that hour already ye out of sleep to be roused,
for now nearer of us the Salvation than we believe
Revelation 12:10
And I hear great voice saying in the Heaven: "Now became the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of the God of us, and the authority of the Christ of Him, that was cast the Accuser of the brothers of us, the accusing/kathgorwn <2723> (5723) them in sight of the God of us day and night.
Peter acknowledged him...............
2 Peter 3:
15 And remember, our Lord's patience gives people time to be saved. This is what our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom God gave him—
16 As in all the letters, speaking in them about these-things; in which are difficult to understand any which the un-learned and un-steadfast are wresting/twisting,
as also the rest of the Writings, toward the own of them destruction/apwleian <684>. [# 684 used reve 17:8, 11]
Why is there hatred of St. Paul?
Hello S S.
There is actually a member on CF with that name. Him and I are like, bros
random person
1 COR. 10:11; HEB. 1:2; HEB. 9:26,28; 1 PET. 1:20
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Speaking of Saint Stephen, he is also my Patron Saint and I just got thru posting about him on this other thread......
Why is there hatred of St. Paul?
That statement "leaves" me in wonder. What "medicine" is this that brings healing to the nations?“The leaves of the Tree are for healing the nations. …"
That statement "leaves" me in wonder. What "medicine" is this that brings healing to the nations?
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