No one is speaking of the Trinity in Hebrews 4, and it doesn’t give us carte blanche to add whatever we want to His Word.Where does it say God is Trinity.
You are adding the word, it's not in the text.
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No one is speaking of the Trinity in Hebrews 4, and it doesn’t give us carte blanche to add whatever we want to His Word.Where does it say God is Trinity.
You are adding the word, it's not in the text.
Personally I don't 'care' too much (as if it would make a difference) if it is considered by anyone to be a work of yours (or of mine?) in any case ..... If we obey God and do what is right, do what HE SAYS, being DOers of the Word and not Hearers ONLY, then we are justified/ healed/ go on.
As Jesus Says "MY sheep HEAR MY Voice and Follow Me" We will not follow another.
Some people , maybe many, might call that a work, and they go on not following Jesus, and suffer for it, right ?
As for me and my house, we will follow Jesus wherever He Goes!
And there we have it. . .No one is speaking of the Trinity in Hebrews 4, and it doesn’t give us carte blanche to add whatever we want to His Word.
Sister, here is a passage where we find the trinity of God being three distinct individuals. A truth supported by the rest of the scriptures where the "Father" knows something neither of the others knows and where we are told, because He can speak from himself, that the Holy Spirit will not speak from himself but will speak whatever He may hear.Where does it say God is Trinity.
Nice. . .Sister, here is a passage where we find the trinity of God being three distinct individuals. A truth supported by the rest of the scriptures where the "Father" knows something neither of the others knows and where we are told, because He can speak from himself, that the Holy Spirit will not speak from himself but will speak whatever He may hear.Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” (Matthew 28:18-20 NLT)
United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Hence why we don't teach that either.Still not one verse says God is the Trinity.
So let us fear lest we should come short of this rest which was preached unto them which was the Gospel. For the word preached did not profit them due to the not having faith, being disobedient sinners. But we who do believe do enter into this rest which is of the Gospel. The works for which were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place, Mt Sinia. For Mt Sinia is where He spoke of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And that would include the works for the rest for which is of the Gospel. AND in this again. And in this again what? He speaks of the seventh day if they shall enter into my rest which is the Gospel. Seeing that it remains that some must still enter in to the rest which is the Gospel, today hears His voice. Let's not harden our hearts as in the provocation. For if the rest was entering into the promised land then He would not after spoken of another day, period. And in this again, He speaks of the seventh day, if they shall enter into my rest which is the Gospel; Therefore there remains a Sabbath keeping for the people of God for he that has entered into his rest which is of the Gospel ALSO ceases from his own works AS, JUST LIKE God did from His, God did not enter into a spiritual rest. He is always in that rest for He is Spirit. He rested from the physical work of creation on the Seventh Day, So we who have entered into our rest which is the Gospel ALSO cease from our physical JUST AS God did.from the promised Canaan-rest from their enemies)
as a warning not to refuse to go into NT salvation-rest because of unbelief, a warning not to return to their OT religion.
Heb 4:1-5 is about God's rest. It's about our entering (v.1) into God's full-time rest (v.3b) of salvation without works. There is a spiritual rest remaining for the people of faith, in God's own full-time Sabbath-rest. Faith, the issue here, is not related to physical rest, it is related to God's full-time spiritual salvation-rest in Jesus Christ.
Heb 4:3 shows that the writer of Hebrews is using the example of Israel's refusal to go into promised Canaan rest (because of unbelief,
causing God to shut out--Nu 14:21-35, a whole generation of Israelites--Heb 4:3,
He that entered into his rest ALSO ceases from their own works AS God did from His.Not quite. . .if nothing has changed, why does the writer present it as a contrast?
Heb 4:9-11 shows that while Canaan physical rest was no longer available (Heb 4:3),
there still remained a spiritual Sabbath-rest in God for those NT Hebrews,
which was not a rest from physical works, but a rest from spiritual works to earn salvation,
because God again set a certain day, calling it TODAY (Heb 4:6-7),
which is not rest in Canaan whose doors are closed (Heb 4:3),
but is the full-time Sabbath-rest of God, in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross, where the believer rests full-time from his own spiritual works to save, and rests in Christ's work which has saved.
Sister, the Holy Spirit is said to be God in the following passage where lying to the Holy Spirit is lying to God.Nice. . .Where does it say Son and Holy Spirit are God?
See post #59.Hence why we don't teach that either.
If you mean Disobedience, rooted in faithlessness yes.
Christ, whose House we are if today we will hear His voice and harden not our hearts as in the day of provocation. As some whom heard did provoke, These whom sinned He was grieved for forty years so their carcasses fell in the desert due to their faithlessness, their sinful disobedience rooted in unbelief. So they never entered into the rest,
Heb 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Heb 3:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
Heb 3:11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
Heb 3:16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
Heb 3:17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
Heb 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
So let us fear lest we should come short of this rest which was preached unto them which was the Gospel. For the word preached did not profit them due to the not having faith, being disobedient sinners. But we who do believe do enter into this rest which is of the Gospel. The works for which were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place, Mt Sinia. For Mt Sinia is where He spoke of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And that would include the works for the rest for which is of the Gospel. AND in this again. And in this again what? He speaks of the seventh day if they shall enter into my rest which is the Gospel. Seeing that it remains that some must still enter in to the rest which is the Gospel, today hears His voice. Let's not harden not our hearts as in the provocation. For if the rest was entering into the promised land then He would not after spoken of another day, period. And in this again what? He speaks of the seventh day if they shall enter into my rest which is the Gospel; Therefore there remains a Sabbath keeping for the people of God for he that has entered into his rest which is of the Gospel ALSO ceases from his own works AS, JUST LIKE God did from His, God did not enter into a spiritual rest. He is always in that rest for He is Spirit. He rested from the physical work of creation on the Seventh Day, So we who have entered into our rest which is the Gospel ALSO cease from our physical JUST AS God did.
Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
The Rest was the Gospel (4:2) and they refused to be obedient so God could not give them that rest, One must have the Spiritual before they can have the physical. They failed at the Spiritual so they whom He was grieved died in the desert and never entered into the promised land. Which was not the rest which was preached unto them which is the Gospel, So because of their continued disobedient unbelief the rest, another day, period was still being preached.
He that entered into his rest ALSO ceases from their own works AS God did from His.
Also means in addition to and as means just like. No changing or confusing that, any of it.
You may be interested in post #59.Sister, the Holy Spirit is said to be God in the following passage where lying to the Holy Spirit is lying to God.
Then Peter said, “Ananias, why have you let Satan fill your heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money for yourself. The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you wished. And after selling it, the money was also yours to give away. How could you do a thing like this? You weren’t lying to us but to God!” (Acts 5:3-4 NLT)The Son is said to be God in the following passage where the Word is "God" and He becomes human as the Father's one and only "Son". The Word became a Son after the incarnation of being born of a woman, but He existed before He became a Son.
In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God... So the Word became human and made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father’s one and only Son. (John 1:1, 14 NLT)United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
And those scriptures still do not say Jesus is the Sabbath or that we no longer need to keep the Sabbath according to the commandment, but commentary that leads people away from obeying God the way He asks, which is exactly what this passage warns us about.See post #59 to you.
It falls to you to textually demonstrate they do not.And those scriptures still do not say Jesus is the Sabbath or that we no longer need to keep the Sabbath according to the commandment, but commentary that leads people away from obeying God the way He asks, which is exactly what this passage warns us about.
So are you ceasing from your work just as God did from His? Or you repeat the same work after every 7th day rest? Is God repeat His work or His work finished?Hence why we don't teach that either.
If you mean Disobedience, rooted in faithlessness yes.
Christ, whose House we are if today we will hear His voice and harden not our hearts as in the day of provocation. As some whom heard did provoke, These whom sinned He was grieved for forty years so their carcasses fell in the desert due to their faithlessness, their sinful disobedience rooted in unbelief. So they never entered into the rest,
Heb 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Heb 3:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
Heb 3:11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
Heb 3:16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
Heb 3:17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
Heb 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
So let us fear lest we should come short of this rest which was preached unto them which was the Gospel. For the word preached did not profit them due to the not having faith, being disobedient sinners. But we who do believe do enter into this rest which is of the Gospel. The works for which were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place, Mt Sinia. For Mt Sinia is where He spoke of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And that would include the works for the rest for which is of the Gospel. AND in this again. And in this again what? He speaks of the seventh day if they shall enter into my rest which is the Gospel. Seeing that it remains that some must still enter in to the rest which is the Gospel, today hears His voice. Let's not harden not our hearts as in the provocation. For if the rest was entering into the promised land then He would not after spoken of another day, period. And in this again what? He speaks of the seventh day if they shall enter into my rest which is the Gospel; Therefore there remains a Sabbath keeping for the people of God for he that has entered into his rest which is of the Gospel ALSO ceases from his own works AS, JUST LIKE God did from His, God did not enter into a spiritual rest. He is always in that rest for He is Spirit. He rested from the physical work of creation on the Seventh Day, So we who have entered into our rest which is the Gospel ALSO cease from our physical JUST AS God did.
Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
The Rest was the Gospel (4:2) and they refused to be obedient so God could not give them that rest, One must have the Spiritual before they can have the physical. They failed at the Spiritual so they whom He was grieved died in the desert and never entered into the promised land. Which was not the rest which was preached unto them which is the Gospel, So because of their continued disobedient unbelief the rest, another day, period was still being preached.
He that entered into his rest ALSO ceases from their own works AS God did from His.
Also means in addition to and as means just like. No changing or confusing that, any of it.
Sister, there is no such thing as a "NT salvation rest" because salvation takes work on our part, as was the case with the animal sacrifices for the removal of sin. Mastery over sin is not obtained by resting, unless you die like the thief on the cross before having any opportunity to do any of the regular additional works of righteousness toward your salvation, like circumcision in the case of Abraham.NT salvation rest
Whats the point of posting scripture if our commentary isn’t even closeThey clearly present the gospel rest of faith as God's rest for the Christian in the NT.
Just an example…It falls to you to textually demonstrate that they do not.
Should we ignore the scripture that clearly says “And on the seventh day God rested from all his work” which does not match your commentary of “God’s Sabbath rest is full-time, not just one day a week.“ There is no scripture that says the 4th commandment became something Jesus does for us instead of us obeying Him the way He commanded, just like the other 9 commandments. At what point does this end. If we decide we want to covet, can we alter His commandment to not covet in some creative way. When we start tinkering with His holy commandments that He wrote and He spoke, I think it’s a very bad idea as we are not above God, we even have warnings for it. Deut 4:2 Prov 30:5-6 Not one jot can be changed. Mat 5:18 and not to break or teach others to break the least of His commandments Mat 5:19-30 which essentially what this teaching is, we do not need to keep the Sabbath according to the commandment, but now Jesus became the 4th commandment and we can profane His holy day doing what we want instead of His ways Isa 58:13, which is basically teaching us to sin as the transgression of God’s law is sin. 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7 and ironically what Hebrews 4 is warning us about being in rebellion to God and keeping the Sabbath which remains for the people of God. Resting the way God did as the scripture clearly shows working six days, resting on the seventh day. Hebrews 4:4 Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:8-114) For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "And on the seventh day God rested from all his work" (God's Sabbath-rest is full time, not just one day a week).
The NT disagrees with youSister, there is no such thing as a "NT salvation rest" because salvation takes work on our part,
Circumcision had nothing to do with Abraham's righteousness by faith (Ge 15:6).as was the case with the animal sacrifices for the removal of sin. Mastery over sin is not obtained by resting, unless you die like the thief on the cross before having any opportunity to do any of the regular additional works of righteousness toward your salvation, like circumcision in the case of Abraham.
Sister, It says God forgives our past sins as a gift to put us to "work" and not to give us rest from the "work" He planned for us long ago.The NT disagrees with you
The word "salvation" is not in the original Greek but was added by the translators in place of the "gift" of initial forgiveness, making the passage say we do not need to "work" when the original actually says He wants us to do the "work" God planned for us long ago. God forgives so that we can do the good "work" He planned for us long ago. He expects "work" and not to rest from us who have received the gift of initial forgiveness for past sins. The gift of crediting righteousness for having believed grants initial forgiveness for prior sins for having "believed". Faith requires at least one act of God's given works of righteousness and you get that first act as a gift when God credits your having believed, as your first act of "righteousness", completing your faith before doing any additional regular works of righteousness at the temple in the case of David.Salvation (remission of sin and reconciliation with God) is by grace through faith. . .not by works. (Eph 2:8-9)
You are credited with an act of righteousness for having "believed" and not for "faith". Faith requires at least one act of righteousness to be active.Circumcision had nothing to do with Abraham's righteousness by faith (Ge 15:6).
Abraham was not declared a "righteous" person but was credited as having done work for his having "believed". Righteousness is work and the other word righteous is a person who does all of God's works of righteousness. These two words do not mean the same as shown in the following passage.Abraham was declared righteous (Ge 15:6) 15 years before he was circumcised in Ge 17. (Ro 4:9-11)
It isn't that difficult. Stop looking for loopholes. Two things mentioned in those verses. The rest which we entered which is the Gospel. And ceasing from our own works like God did from His.So are
So are you ceasing from your work just as God did from His? Or you repeat the same work after every 7th day rest? Is God repeat His work or His work finished?