the real divide

[Nadiine]

Nadiine, I think I do understand.

Please consider that what I now type is an attempt at understanding and not intended as an attack upon your character. If I am in error, correct me or have the mods delete this post.

I think I understand that what you really want is a place, this forum, to be a refuge of pure conservatism.

Let's leave aside for the moment what exactly defines 'pure conservatism.' That's not the point right now.

The point is that I and others are in no way to be considered by any means within that definition.

I accept that. I agree. I am not a conservative Christian as it is defined and portrayed here.

What you want, if I may, is for me to get out and leave you alone. And I say that with no hatred or ill will in my heart. I'm just trying to get to an honest assessment here.

Yet you are a member of a forum community in which other members do not share exactly that sentiment.

I think then that amongst yourselves you need to decide how to resolve this. Perhaps what you need is another subforum that members such as myself can go to post in fellowship. You, then, need never go in there. I don't think that would really be breaking the site rules. You see, I don't think you can close this place up entirely, but at same time I think I understand your desire to simply not have to deal with the likes of me hanging around.

OK. I can handle that. I think others can do, but I don't speak for them.

I'm done here then until and if this gets resolved. Not out of spite or hatefulness. But out of a desire to respect the membership of this forum.

You folks have been through an aweful lot within a small space of time. It's been intense. You need space and healing and prayer.

I can offer prayer without having to be here to do it.

Chaos... at least this has opened up some sort of REAL communication - honestly, you & cadan to me have seemed predominantly disingenuine becuz most everything you post doesn't seem from the heart from my view. (just by all the jesting)
I'm happy to see something that sounds genuine and I appreciate that you see REAL people here having some grief.

Different people come to a forum for different reasons and have different beliefs and personalities. Some come only to fellowship, others are here for intense doctrinal debate, etc.
Not everybody fits every mold or forum. With that said, I came to CC right after Erwin's changes that threw everything into chaos. In my earlier posts, I called this place my "safe haven" from the riots "out there" so that I could I could find some shelter here with people that have the same beliefs and worldview I do. Relax, let my hair down & BE CONSERVATIVE & have the same issues, irritations & frustrations that everyone like me would share w/ all the changes.

Now, this area is starting to fill up with liberalism - no I have no hatred of any liberals as people - I've already said that some of my real life friends are liberals & we get along GREAT (*no religion/political topics only).
My safe haven is just gone where I once felt I could put my feet up & ENJOY people of like belief and worldview.
Now I have interjections of comments on my views or quirpy attacks & smiley symbols.
It's not personal on anybody - but we all "fit in" with certain groups - I"m NOT liberal; I'm not even close! (as if I had to tell you guys that) heh

the only thing liberal about me is my past when I was a full fledged, outspoken Greenpeace & Peta member who tried to turn gay guys straight.

I needed a safe haven in this forum where grenades weren't lobbed every 3 seconds and I feel that's slipping away too.

I have nothing personal against people - I like most all people (contrary to what this all looks like). lol
I wish I could blame all this on PMS... but that was weeks ago ... lol

I appreciate what I took as a sincere post from you.

 

[Nadiine]

posted 3 times on me eeks

 

[Nadiine]

glitch much????

 

[Nadiine]

.it chose to post this 3 times. ugh

 

[GreenMunchkin]

I am in agreement with ALL of Nadiine's posts.

Most of the WWMC members post at IIDB, and their main most fun is to mock the CC members. They consider us to be conservative fools, and have a field day making jokes about the CC members.

CF is poorly, so I don't know if this will post

But, Auntie, if that's true, that says more about the people gossiping than it does about us. CC is a light, and it was always intended to be a light. We can choose to conduct ourselves with integrity and in love, and we can just trust that there are enough of us to be able to witness in a wonderful way

 

[Letalis]

I am in agreement with ALL of Nadiine's posts.

Most of the WWMC members post at IIDB, and their main most fun is to mock the CC members. They consider us to be conservative fools, and have a field day making jokes about the CC members.

Yep, some do that. It's best to avoid that place.

But should we cease fellowship with all liberals because a few might poke fun at this forum?

I know I hate being broad-brushed; I think the same courtesy should be extended to them.

 

[Auntie]

GM, it is true. I could give you hundreds of links to verify my statement. But most importantly, we are mistaken when we invite the wolves in to chew on the flock.

 

[Auntie]

Letalis, please give me the name of ONE liberal who has not mocked the CC members at IIDB. Just one.

 

[Simon_Templar]

Letalis, please give me the name of ONE liberal who has not mocked the CC members at IIDB. Just one.

I think he meant that you shouldn't judge everyone who has liberal view points in the entire world, by those liberals who hang out at IIDB.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

GM, it is true. I could give you hundreds of links to verify my statement. But most importantly, we are mistaken when we invite the wolves in to chew on the flock.

Sorry, I phrased that badly I don't doubt you for a second. But my point is it doesn't matter that they do that. The only thing we can control is our own behaviour, and it's all of us that have made CC lovely. Cos it really is lovely.

Look, people who spend their time talking about us at IIDB need to be loved and cared for just as we all do. Maybe even more so.

And it's not like half of WWMC is looking to join. Two people who were formerly members of WWMC were drawn here due to the drama and what they saw surprised them and made them think they may belong here, after all.

Doesn't that say an awful lot about how nice CC is?

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

Most of the WWMC members post at IIDB, and their main most fun is to mock the CC members. They consider us to be conservative fools, and have a field day making jokes about the CC members.

I'm registered at IIDB and I've posted there a few times, but I seldom visit. I find the place really doesn't suit me. Still, I had to check it out because I was curious.

I think you're over-generalizing. I've seen a few names I recognize from WWMC over there, but not very many, and the folks here at CC are not their major topic of conversation.

 

[CaDan]

Letalis, please give me the name of ONE liberal who has not mocked the CC members at IIDB. Just one.

Crazy Liz.

 

[Nadiine]

Sorry, I phrased that badly I don't doubt you for a second. But my point is it doesn't matter that they do that. The only thing we can control is our own behaviour, and it's all of us that have made CC lovely. Cos it really is lovely.

Look, people who spend their time talking about us at IIDB need to be loved and cared for just as we all do. Maybe even more so.

And it's not like half of WWMC is looking to join. Two people who were formerly members of WWMC were drawn here due to the drama and what they saw surprised them and made them think they may belong here, after all.

Doesn't that say an awful lot about how nice CC is?

Lets clarify something;
No one can truly judge people's inner motives - (either if they're true or false) but the point has been that not everyone is 'buying into' what's being claimed- and mainly due to the timing of it - which belinda did admit looks suspicious.

I don't know how else to express it other than that. Not everyone believes what is being believed here.

In their eyes, Satan masquerades as an angel of light- and it wouldn't be surprising to see people lie on this forum (you know the verse). No one can prove it; they can't prove false motive and you can't prove true motive.
Just like the apology thread last week - some believed it was genuine, other's questioned due to the timing.

This is the point being made, I hope that gives some clarity. It can't be proved BY EITHER PARTY. nobody can know what's behind a claim of anybody.

I'm not fighting anything by this post, i'm clarifying positions of other posts; hopefully to bring some further understanding (or something)...

 

[GreenMunchkin]

Nadiine, you're right... but we can't prevent people from joining. And we mustn't prevent people from fellowshipping.

So what are we left with?

 

[Auntie]

Crazy Liz.

You know what, you are correct. And add to that ravenscape. 2 great libs who have integrity. But they don't post here. And they don't try to infiltrate this forum.

 

[Auntie]

I'm registered at IIDB and I've posted there a few times, but I seldom visit. I find the place really doesn't suit me. Still, I had to check it out because I was curious.

I think you're over-generalizing. I've seen a few names I recognize from WWMC over there, but not very many, and the folks here at CC are not their major topic of conversation.

Maybe you should visit more often.....

 

[Nadiine]

Nadiine, you're right... but we can't prevent people from joining. And we mustn't prevent people from fellowshipping.

So what are we left with?

I think we're left with going by the rules established by this forum.
And I'm not against establishing ADDED rules as we go along for unforseen issues that mite pop up when or if a mass influx decides to drop in & hang.

I mentioned this PAGES ago and got this as a reply

I don't think it's unreasonable not to be OPEN to working on wiki's/rules/guidelines as issues mite arise.
I'm not fighting - I'm offering solutions as this forum is set up currently.
Being open to working on some rules if issues pop up seems like a normal solution if necessary.
Rules & wiki's dont' all cover unforseen issues - they get modfied.

THat's my only solution for now... I'm kind of fried on trying to figure things out tnite

 

[Tenebrae]

Yes, but I signed up in a conserative forum... I didn't know my new job description was fellowshiping with an influx of liberals and having to be PC to get along with all of them.

I would love it if some would understand the deal here for some of us.

I find its ironic, that I can express a complete agreement with the CC statement of beliefs, yet somehow, I'm still one of those evil liberals

And by statements like the above, its clear I will never be seen as anything more than an evil liberal.


There are some outstanding and wonderful lovely people in this forum. However I cant be somewhere where people are continually making potshots about the evil liberal invasion or ending up feeling that I'll never come up to scratch

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

Maybe you should visit more often.....

Perhaps I will, just for informational purposes. But just for that; I don't like it there very much. It's got an unpleasant vibe.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

I think we're left with going by the rules established by this forum.
And I'm not against establishing ADDED rules as we go along for unforseen issues that mite pop up when or if a mass influx decides to drop in & hang.

I mentioned this PAGES ago and got this as a reply

I don't think it's unreasonable not to be OPEN to working on wiki's/rules/guidelines as issues mite arise.
I'm not fighting - I'm offering solutions as this forum is set up currently.
Being open to working on some rules if issues pop up seems like a normal solution if necessary.
Rules & wiki's dont' all cover unforseen issues - they get modfied.

THat's my only solution for now... I'm kind of fried on trying to figure things out tnite

I think if this is something you're worrying about, you should have a think about it and write something up and we'll all go through it and try to work it out together.

CCers should feel safe here. I honestly don't see this the way you do, and I don't feel CC is in danger, but if you can forsee problems, then we should all talk about adding something preventative. I'm at a loss, though, cos I can't see a problem at the moment.