the real divide

[Izdaari Eristikon]

I find its ironic, that I can express a complete agreement with the CC statement of beliefs, yet somehow, I'm still one of those evil liberals

You're not except in the minds of a few, and since you agree with the statement of principles, you should go ahead and sign up if you haven't already. I, for one, would be very glad to have you.

 

[Nadiine]

I think if this is something you're worrying about, you should have a think about it and write something up and we'll all go through it and try to work it out together.

CCers should feel safe here. I honestly don't see this the way you do, and I don't feel CC is in danger, but if you can forsee problems, then we should all talk about adding something preventative. I'm at a loss, though, cos I can't see a problem at the moment.

well... i don't have a crystal ball lol - but right off the bat I think some stuff in this thread was uncalled for in someone elses forum. If people use their area as a safe haven, there shouldn't be "badgering" when they share their views. It's not kool and I dont do it to THEM in their area - becuz it's rude. We don't do it to them in THEIR areas.

But I'll wait & see what issues pop up & then maybe start a thread on some possible rules that might seal up some loose ends.
Maybe none will be necessary, I don't know.

My hope is that their fascination w/ this area (& possible love of drama - or severe boredom) will fade away & things mite get back to normal.
Time will tell

 

[GreenMunchkin]

Ok

Things really won't be any different once the dust settles, but if you see anything you don't like, we'll all figure it out

 

[chaoschristian]

Nadiine:

This is my last post here, but I wanted to follow up to your response to my post.

Yes, it is a genuince and sincere attempt to understand and communicate. I think there's a wide divide between us. I think that this is not the time and place to try and bridge that divide.

 

[Nadiine]

I find its ironic, that I can express a complete agreement with the CC statement of beliefs, yet somehow, I'm still one of those evil liberals

And by statements like the above, its clear I will never be seen as anything more than an evil liberal.


There are some outstanding and wonderful lovely people in this forum. However I cant be somewhere where people are continually making potshots about the evil liberal invasion or ending up feeling that I'll never come up to scratch

Frei did it ever occur to you that I was talking about all the liberals starting to frequent here? does it revolve around just

YOU?​

 

[Nadiine]

Ok

Things really won't be any different once the dust settles, but if you see anything you don't like, we'll all figure it out

that's exactly what I think too.

You can't anticipate problems that havent' happened and then fix them ahead of time. lol
(unless you know more than I do about the future) LOL

 

[Nadiine]

Nadiine:

This is my last post here, but I wanted to follow up to your response to my post.

Yes, it is a genuince and sincere attempt to understand and communicate. I think there's a wide divide between us. I think that this is not the time and place to try and bridge that divide.

that's very kool chaos - and appreciated and I accept the sincerety behind it.
Maybe we can go thru things soon. thanx alot

 

[Rochir]

I posted this in another thread and want to put it here on a new thread as a basic introduction
http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=39874158&postcount=9


I wanted to express what I think is going on in this section and why I feel this split is occurring in the CC forum.

This is a basic liberal vs. conservative fight (again) only within the CC members. Some here want a unity with the liberal forum and are now working to force this to happen.

I took the liberty this morning of surfing the WWMC (liberal) forum to read posts there to hopefully see why we're getting all this interest in joining our forum here.
Here's the threads that I found from some of our CC members & mods:

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=36917448&postcount=1
bridging the gap: by GM

a post from that thread:
http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=36941223&postcount=17


http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=38420094&postcount=1
saying Hi to all my liberal friends: byJim47


http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=37937893&postcount=1
crashing your party: by Macrina


There were a few CC members posting within threads in the liberal section. First off, This is NOT a rant that cc's post over there.

Whoever wants to post in WWMC, enjoy yourselves, I wouldn't dream of speaking against you for that nor do I harbor any issues against you or have one bad, negative thing to say about it. You do as you feel God leads you!!!!

My point is this: there's been a recent push by some mods & members here to UNITE the conservatives with liberals explicitly (evidenced by the posts that have been made).

But I don't recall ASKING them to go over there and speak for me in trying to UNITE us all. This is coming from them of their own initiative and agenda without asking me anything about how I feel about it. Or my opinion: No group polls, no Pm's, no threads to fish for our thoughts... just, "this is what we're doing and what WE want to do".

They don't speak for me in wanting to 'unite' us so we're all one big happy family. And now I feel like that's what this whole divide is really all about- and those who don't participate in knuckling under to this agenda being forced, are going to catch some flack for not doing so. (and already have).

I've already seen the term "fundamental" get thrown onto this 3 times; as if rejecting unity with liberals is a fundy definition, not conservative. That's utterly false.
Conservative Christianity clashes with liberalism in nearly every venue (religious/moral) - one doesn't have to be a fundamental to reject liberalism. Even moderates reject some liberalism.

I'd also ask this, UNITE WITH WHAT EXACTLY?

We all know that all of us can easily talk about secular issues and chit chat just fine together about unicorns, computers, kites, weather & food -- the divides occur when you get onto real topics such as religion; Christianity or moral issues.

So are we being TOLD to unify on a superficial level only? So we can sit together and find some commonalities in inconsequential issues like "do you work out at a gym"? Or are we being told to unite even to accepting their religious beliefs & moral worldviews too?
Becuz unless you stay away from religion/moral topics, it doesn't work.

One more thing; IF YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE TALKED WITH CC MEMBERS AND TOLD US YOUR IDEA OF PUSHING THIS, THIS COULD HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED CIVILLY WITHOUT THIS DIVIDE.
This divide imho happened becuz your PRIVATE agenda's weren't shared openly and it's caused confusion. I had no idea until today that these posts were going on over there hoping we could unify areas!???
So when they come over here, it's thrown on us out of the blue becuz we had no clue you were trying to align us all! (I didn't!).

BEING UP FRONT COULD HAVE STOPPED ALOT OF THIS imo. At least I'd of known what was going on here & why this rift started. Now it all makes sense to me.

And lastly, Does anyone elses opinions matter here? Do you guys decide who we align with and who we don't as a forum? You go to whoever and speak for ALL of us and we don't know about it? (have you guys gone to other forums like Mormons & tried to "mend fences" too?).

And why is it ONLY to the liberals? Why don't you head over to the Unitarians, Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses to unite us with them too since you're so concerned about unity all of a sudden?

These are my observations & issues as to the divide here. And I don't like that others are taking over and speaking for ME as a CC member in uniting this whole forum without alerting everyone to your personal agendas for unification.
This all could have been avoided if properly handled at the start.

*this is all said in LOVE and concern. Becuz even tho I stand my ground, I do love you guys.
It would much easier to walk away from this area than to even make this post - knowing what the reception will probly be.
That's ok tho. I at least tried to find the source and I think I have (or it appears that way to me in my view).

Just seeing tghis thread now ...

UNITE? As in WWMC and CC UNITING as fora?

No, thanks!

What I'm seeing rather is an efford to have our two communities live together side by side in a more friendly way!

Nothing wrong with CC coming to WWMC and posting there, and hopefully nothing wrong if WWMC come visit here as well.

It all should foster more understanding and avoid the irrational reactions that some here and there may feel when being confronted with members from the "other team"!