The Rapture!

[Manasseh_]

Tut -Tut! You are still just reading the anti Enoch sites without doing your own biblical investigation, and shame on you!

You can stop with the intimidation tactics "shame on you" at any time, I'm not deterred by them and neither am I afraid of them and at this point your predetermined assumptions are getting old too, I always do my "homework" and I've read large portions of the guy who used the "pen name " enoch, just reading it anyone undertanding truth can see there's no flow to it, no hope when you read it, it's just fragmented hogwash, I had to squint to be able to even see any joyful teaching of resurrection in what I read, something in abundance in the true inspired scriptures.

as stated before God preserves his true word, if his truthful servant ENOCH had written the book under inspiration then even Moses would have made at least some reference to it, not to mention the numerous other servants who never gave any mention to the book and the very fact it's not even included in tenach.

Your far fetched explanation that "Enoch" had written the book in hebrew even before any such language existed and wouldn't exist for hundreds of years is just that, a far fetched suggestion.

I'm not responding here for you to return with a response with attempts to convince me that these spurious writings are inspired by God, they're not and I only gave a few examples of how they are shown to be spurious and don't agree with scriptural truth

and btw Jude never "quoted" from any book of "enoch"

Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Jude stated that Enoch SAID it , he didn't imply at all that Enoch WROTE it.......and he could have easily done this from oral tradition because so many prophets had given prophecy of the "DAY OF THE LORD" and judgment, it was a scriptural teaching to begin with and it was handed down as well through oral tradition..........even so because it was by the power of God's Holy Spirit that Enoch SAID it, God by this same power could have revealed to Jude verbatim what Enoch said, because Enoch didn't say it anyway, God did since he's the source and the only source that can declare the end from the beginning.

we have no need to go about searching for "extra truth" from spurious writings, God's inspired word is complete in truth.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Your far fetched explanation that "Enoch" had written the book in hebrew even before any such language existed and wouldn't exist for hundreds of years is just that, a far fetched suggestion.

As I said, you have not read Enoch, as you admitted, and you got your anti-Enoch quotes from other sites. And please note that I gave lots of Scripture to refute the anti Enoch writers in my reply to you.

It seems that you are not acquainted with the Bible as true history of the world very well, by your statement above. The mother tongue is Hebrew/Edenic, and all the confounded tongues are rooted in the Language of Eden; and that language will be returned to the nations in the millennial reign, as states the Word.
Edenics
Shem knew Methusaleh, the son of Enoch, very well, as Methusaleh died only one week before the flood, and preached repentance to the world with Noah.

Shem and Noah gave shelter to Abraham, who lived with them when the one mother tongue was "confounded" at Babel, to the seventy.
Shem also lived to see the birth of Isaac, and came to his weaning party.
Shem was the priest king of Salem, who blessed Abraham with the title of firstborn, which Shem had got from Noah, though he was third born son of Noah.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

..., God's inspired word is complete in truth.

It contains Truth, but where is the Scripture of Truth written that the angels read, and from which the angel Gabriel showed Daniel the things written in it concerning his people, which things comprise Daniel 11 and 12?
Those things were written/noted/inscribed in the Scripture of Truth and Michael and Gabriel made sure they were performed as written, according to Daniel 10:21, in the original language, but nowhere in the Tenach were those things written that the angel showed Daniel, which Daniel wrote.
The literal words of Daniel 10:21 show this:
Daniel 10:21 "But [I will] shew [thee that which is] noted [in the] scripture [of] truth: [and there is ]one/echad [that] binds [with me in these things] Michael [your] prince.

So where is the Scripture of Truth written that the angels read, so as to "bind them" concerning the sons of Jacob?
-Enoch tells us: they are the tablets written in heaven for the angels to read. Who wrote them there? -God the Word, who also wrote the Decalogue on tablets of stone, by his own "finger", for Moses to give Israel.

Enoch Reads the Heavenly Tablets
81 And he said unto me:
"Observe, Enoch, these heavenly tablets,
And read what is written thereon,
And mark every individual fact."
2And I observed the heavenly tablets, and read everything which was written thereon and understood everything, and read the book of all the deeds of mankind, and of all the children of flesh that shall be upon the earth to the remotest generations. 3And forthwith I blessed the great Lord the King of glory for ever, in that He has made all the works of the world,




...

103 Now, therefore, I swear to you, the righteous, by the glory of the Great and Honoured and Mighty One in dominion, 2and by His greatness I swear to you.
"I Know a Mystery"
I know a mystery
And have read the heavenly tablets,
And have seen the holy books,
And have found written therein and inscribed regarding them:
3That all goodness and joy and glory are prepared for them,
And written down for the spirits of those who have died in righteousness,
And that manifold good shall be given to you in recompense for your labours,
And that your lot is abundantly beyond the lot of the living.
And I extolled the Lord because of His patience,
And blessed Him because of the children of men.
...


93 And after that Enoch both gave and began to recount from the books. 2And Enoch said:
"Concerning the children of righteousness and concerning the elect of the world,
And concerning the plant of uprightness, I will speak these things,
Yea, I Enoch will declare them unto you, my sons:
"According to that which appeared to me in the heavenly vision,
And which I have known through the word of the holy angels,
And have learnt from the heavenly tablets."




108:
7"For some of them are written and inscribed above in the heaven, in order that the angels may read them and know that which shall befall the sinners, and the spirits of the humble, and of those who have afflicted their bodies, and been recompensed by God; and of those who have been put to shame by wicked men: 8Who love God and loved neither gold nor silver nor any of the good things which are in the world, but gave over their bodies to torture. 9Who, since they came into being, longed not after earthly food, but regarded everything as a passing breath, and lived accordingly, and the Lord tried them much, and their spirits were found pure so that they should bless His name.

 

[Manasseh_]

It seems that you are not acquainted with the Bible as true history of the world very well, by your statement above. The mother tongue is Hebrew/Edenic, and all the confounded tongues are rooted in the Language of Eden; and that language will be returned to the nations in the millennial reign, as states the Word.

scripture references please for the "hebrew / edenic" languages spoken by Enoch and his generation. ???

also scripture references for Moses and the hebrews preserving the "book of enoch" as they faithfully did with the inspired scripture we now have. ??

 

[Phaedron777]

First off, pre-trib rapture is busted. We are already mid trib. It began 2008. Christians are being persecuted everywhere and the antichrist was revealed as early as 2008. His name is Maitreya.

Jesus of Nazareth and Maitreya the Christ

Of course you should do more research then that. He claims to be the savior of not just Christianity, but the one every religion is waiting for.

The abomination of desolation in the holy temple (let him understand) is the human body, which has many times been called the true temple of God. It describes a falling away, and demonic possession of various leaders.

 

[MasterRich]

First off, pre-trib rapture is busted. We are already mid trib. It began 2008. Christians are being persecuted everywhere and the antichrist was revealed as early as 2008. His name is Maitreya.

Jesus of Nazareth and Maitreya the Christ

Of course you should do more research then that. He claims to be the savior of not just Christianity, but the one every religion is waiting for.

The abomination of desolation in the holy temple (let him understand) is the human body, which has many times been called the true temple of God. It describes a falling away, and demonic possession of various leaders.

First time I heared of that guy, you sure he is "THE Antichrist" or just one of many?

You think i'm goona bow down to him? haha yea.....RIGHT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCg0WidZRgU&feature=related

 

[Truth Files]

Some one who can, removes postings on this forum related to the Lord's pre-tribulation call for His church

Who ever you are, you have a serious condition and you had better consider what you are doing

Shame on you who ever you are

He is watching you

 

[yeshuasavedme]

scripture references please for the "hebrew / edenic" languages spoken by Enoch and his generation. ???

The Hebrew language is the mother tongue -that "one" tongue which was "mangled/mixed/confounded" at Babel, into the 70, which each branched out to today's 6,000 or so. Eber is the father of the "Hebrews", and the language of Eden was not removed from Noah, Shem, Eber -or Abraham. Abraham lived with Noah and Shem when the language was confounded at Babel.
"Semitic" languages are named such from Shem, who came through the flood speaking the same edenic tongue of the Garden.

And you are lazy indeed, not to look at the Edenic proofs on the link I sent, so as to prove, or not, all things. We all speak Hebrew, the mother tongue, but unless it is our native tongue, we speak it all confounded up; but it still is rooted only in the Edenic/Hebrew tongue, as all tongues spoken on earth are; and you can get informed for yourself on that matter through the research of Isaac Mozeson, who authored the dictionary showing 22,000 plus words in English with Hebrew root etymons.
http://unitedisrael.org/blog/2009/08/08/isaac-mozeson-on-the-origins-of-human-language/

Genesis 11:1 has “kol aretz saphah echat” – coincidentally like WHOLE, EARTH, SPEECH… one (source of EACH). The new science of Edenics now has over 23,000 such “coincidences.” Edenics works with a Proto-Semitic, “Edenic” vocabulary where each root letter has the “genes” for the wide diversity of the world’s words.
http://unitedisrael.org/blog/2009/08/08/isaac-mozeson-on-the-origins-of-human-language/

Gen 11:1
And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

YHWH will return the whole earth to the one, pure שפה saphah speech of Eden.
Zep 3:9 For then will I turn [back] to the people [a] pure language/שפה saphah , that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.
You need to look at the word "confounded" to see the one tongue given by God to Adam at creation was "mixed up/confounded" at Babel; and so it was. All tongues are the same Edenic/Hebrew root etymons for all words. The meanings of words did not change at Babel, but the etymons got all "mixed/confounded" into 70 separate tongues from the one Edenic one; which, each [from Hebrew "echad/one"] grew like trees to the 6,000 or so, since Babel, to today.

"also scripture references for Moses and the hebrews preserving the "book of enoch" as they faithfully did with the inspired scripture we now have. ??" [/quote]Who preserved the inspired Scripture we have??? -you are not aware that there are no original copies of the "inspired Scriptures" and the originals were burned in the temple in Jerusalem, at the Babylonian dispersion?
So where did our present "inspired versions" of the Tenach come from???
We don't even have original copies of any of the NT books, either, so why are you pretending that we do have originals of any of them????

 

[LastSeven]

Yeshuasavedme, this "mystery" that Enoch speaks of.

103 Now, therefore, I swear to you, the righteous, by the glory of the Great and Honoured and Mighty One in dominion, 2and by His greatness I swear to you.
"I Know a Mystery"
I know a mystery
And have read the heavenly tablets,
And have seen the holy books,
And have found written therein and inscribed regarding them:
3That all goodness and joy and glory are prepared for them,
And written down for the spirits of those who have died in righteousness,
And that manifold good shall be given to you in recompense for your labours,
And that your lot is abundantly beyond the lot of the living.
And I extolled the Lord because of His patience,
And blessed Him because of the children of men.

Do you suppose this is the same mystery mentioned in Revelation 10:7
But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.

It sounds like these tablets contain God's master plan. So it would make sense if this is what is being referred to as being "accomplished" on the last day. What do you think?

 

[POSTIOS]

Some one who can, removes postings on this forum related to the Lord's pre-tribulation call for His church

Who ever you are, you have a serious condition and you had better consider what you are doing

Shame on you who ever you are

He is watching you

The Lord has no such call.

But care to be specific like proof....perhaps a quote from the so called removed posts.

Have you asked the moderators about it

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Yeshuasavedme, this "mystery" that Enoch speaks of.



Do you suppose this is the same mystery mentioned in Revelation 10:7
But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.

It sounds like these tablets contain God's master plan. So it would make sense if this is what is being referred to as being "accomplished" on the last day. What do you think?

I think you just got insight to the mystery! -Good job!
Revelation is a book which completes Enoch's revelations about the Son of Man.

 

[Truth Files]

"The Lord has no such call.

But care to be specific like proof....perhaps a quote from the so called removed posts.

Have you asked the moderators about it"

>The one who does this knows .... and so does Jesus Christ

>All things will be exposed in the final accounting

[Revelation 3:15-19; 20:11-15]

 

[Manasseh_]

I think you just got insight to the mystery! -Good job!
Revelation is a book which completes Enoch's revelations about the Son of Man.

only mystery now is which "enoch " is it

 

[Manasseh_]

The Hebrew language is the mother tongue -that "one" tongue which was "mangled/mixed/confounded" at Babel, into the 70, which each branched out to today's 6,000 or so. Eber is the father of the "Hebrews", and the language of Eden was not removed from Noah, Shem, Eber -or Abraham. Abraham lived with Noah and Shem when the language was confounded at Babel.
"Semitic" languages are named such from Shem, who came through the flood speaking the same edenic tongue of the Garden.

And you are lazy indeed, not to look at the Edenic proofs on the link I sent, so as to prove, or not, all things. We all speak Hebrew, the mother tongue, but unless it is our native tongue, we speak it all confounded up; but it still is rooted only in the Edenic/Hebrew tongue, as all tongues spoken on earth are; and you can get informed for yourself on that matter through the research of Isaac Mozeson, who authored the dictionary showing 22,000 plus words in English with Hebrew root etymons.
Isaac Mozeson on the Origins of Human Language
Gen 11:1
And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

YHWH will return the whole earth to the one, pure שפה saphah speech of Eden.
Zep 3:9 For then will I turn [back] to the people [a] pure language/שפה saphah , that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.
You need to look at the word "confounded" to see the one tongue given by God to Adam at creation was "mixed up/confounded" at Babel; and so it was. All tongues are the same Edenic/Hebrew root etymons for all words. The meanings of words did not change at Babel, but the etymons got all "mixed/confounded" into 70 separate tongues from the one Edenic one; which, each [from Hebrew "echad/one"] grew like trees to the 6,000 or so, since Babel, to today.

Who preserved the inspired Scripture we have???-you are not aware that there are no original copies of the "inspired Scriptures" and the originals were burned in the temple in Jerusalem, at the Babylonian dispersion?
So where did our present "inspired versions" of the Tenach come from???
We don't even have original copies of any of the NT books, either, so why are you pretending that we do have originals of any of them????

oh, so we have no scriptural support that hebrew was the "mother" tongue, that has to be speculated on......has to be implied , your only support is a web site...................I recall someone telling me that I should feel shameful because they assumed I used web sites to prove the book of "enoch" is a spurious writing..........but the use of sites to prove her premise is acceptable..............or rather hypocritical

and I didn't ask about original documents, I asked about PRESERVING documents.......that was done by making continual copies of said documents, no where in the records are any implications that the hebrews preserved a "book of enoch" by making copies which is the rightful conclusion anyway since there was no "book of enoch" for them to make copies from since it was a spurious writing by someone using a pen name of "enoch"


ok, I get it, so you have no scriptural support for your "enoch book", your only support is really rather questionable at best, not very good solid foundation to base whether a book is inspired by God or not............that's why I said reading the book is fine, but claiming that it's "thus saith the Lord" is really reaching a bit

 

[Timothew]

Hi Zadok,

There are countless Biblical proofs that there will be a pretrib rapture.

Do you think that there would be all of this alien abduction nonsense around if Satan didn't know there was a pretrib rapture? Why do you think Star Trek had the transporter that made people disappear? The world is being conditioned to the belief that "aliens did it"

There will be a pre trib rapture.....

What happened to Choose Wisely? When you said "countless biblical proofs" did you mean none?
I don't count Star Trek as a Biblical Proof.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

only mystery now is which "enoch " is it

You came here in Dec 2010. You have 360 posts as of this writing. You have the same tired false claims that another poster has had, who attacked the book of Enoch continuously, without foundational reasons for doing so. You use the same anti Enoch web sites that she did, and you never ever acknowledge that your false claims are refuted soundly by the Word of God, by me, when I reply to the false claims you make that have no foundation.
I will not reply to you anymore, as I suspect you are one and the same as that poster, and that you are only here to make false claims, without ever having honest dialogue about what is written.
I asked you many questions that you have not answered, either, which proves that you have no heart for the Word, but only to accuse falsely.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

and I didn't ask about original documents, I asked about PRESERVING documents......

Oh -one more reply, to rebuke your false claims:
the documents were not preserved of the original writings of Moses or any of the prophets. There is not one single copy of the original manuscripts known of, and the originals were destroyed in the temple burnings. They were re-written by Ezra, without the originals. That is why there are not correlating numbers or names or times, in some passages, and that is why there is some confusion between Kings and Chronicles information, and that is why there are so many ancient manuscripts that differ in some ways. Even the Septuagint and the Hebrew do not agree, and we have older Septuagint copies than we have Hebrew copies.
The message is about the Person and work of Christ, from the writings of Enoch the prophet who was the seventh from Adam, to the Revelation of Jesus Christ given to John the Baptist.
And I gave you a dictionary site that is about the words themselves being rooted in Hebrew/Edenic, the language of Eden, and that only correlates with the Scriptures which I gave that show the tongue was one, and was confounded. I asked you to look up the meaning of "confounded", and apparently that is itself too hard for you to do to prove that one tongue is what the world speaks, but mixed since Babel, to the many, and that the many will be one again, in the Millennial reign, as the Word states.
So goodby, for I suspect thee as being the same poster, posting in dishonesty under another name, using the same attacks without wisdom, as before. Perhaps the moderators could check the ISP of thee, for is it not dishonest to come under a new name, without declaring yourself?

Paul declares that the wisdom we speak to the perfect is that hidden wisdom, God in mystery, revealed as such in Enoch, hidden in God, who was God, who was ordained from the beginning for our glory. Only those who seek to know, find, and to one another, they declare what Paul declared [the literal Greek to English]: "wisdom, God in mystery hidden, which God ordained before the world unto our glory": as revealed by Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam.

1Cr 2:1
And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
And my speech and my preaching [was] not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
But we speak wisdom God in mystery hidden which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

 

[RefCath]

I'd read Christ and the Future: The Bible's Teaching About the Last Things and Postmillennialism: An Eschatology of Hope

 

[makeupgirl]

First off, pre-trib rapture is busted. We are already mid trib. It began 2008. Christians are being persecuted everywhere and the antichrist was revealed as early as 2008. His name is Maitreya.

Jesus of Nazareth and Maitreya the Christ

Of course you should do more research then that. He claims to be the savior of not just Christianity, but the one every religion is waiting for.

The abomination of desolation in the holy temple (let him understand) is the human body, which has many times been called the true temple of God. It describes a falling away, and demonic possession of various leaders.

So explain how Pretrib is a bust and how we're in mid trib. This doesn't make sense.

 

[POSTIOS]

"The Lord has no such call.

But care to be specific like proof....perhaps a quote from the so called removed posts.

Have you asked the moderators about it"

>The one who does this knows .... and so does Jesus Christ

>All things will be exposed in the final accounting

[Revelation 3:15-19; 20:11-15]

so, IOW, no proof, no quote, and u did not ask the mods.
OK then.