The Rapture!

[yedida]

AGAIN YOU BASE YOUR BELIEFS ON SILENCE, YOU READ INTO SCRIPTURE THINGS IT IS NOT EVEN SAYING, SPECULATION OVER SPECULATION, I COULD DO THE SAME, THERES NO CARS MENTIONED IN REVELATIONS SO I CAN DETERMINE THAT THERE IS NO MORE GASOLINE AT THE TIME OF THE END, YOU CAN'T BASE DOCTRINE FROM SILENCE!

When someone comes along and virtually hijacks a thread, it can be irritating; but I think someone needs to calm down. You keep hollering like this you're gonna have very sore fingertips by morning
And the rest of us are gonna go cross-eyed!

 

[LovedofHim]

SO I GUESS WITH YOUR WEIRD THEORY, THAT NOW ALONG WITH TWO SECOND COMINGS, THERE ARE TWO TRIBULATIONS (WELL THAT FIGURES) THE WAY IT READS IS TRIBULATION BEGINS IN VERSE 9 WHEN CHRISTIANS ARE HATED BY ALL NATIONS, AND AS THE DAY DRAWS CLOSER AND CLOSER TO THE END, THE TRIBULATION GETS GREATER AND GREATER, VERSE 22 IS VERY CLEAR HOW BAD IT GETS, AS IT IS A DESCRIPTIVE IN SAYING SHOULD THESE DAYS OF TRIBULATION CONTINUE ENDLESSLY EVERY CHRISTIAN WOULD DIE, BUT FOR OUR SAKE HE SHORTENED THEM, SO THERE WOULD BE SOME STILL ALIVE TO BE GATHERED UP WHEN HE COMES IN VERSE 31

Jesus' words about pearls before swine comes to mind.

Listen, there is not two second comings. There is one return. It begins when He appears in the sky and resurrects/removes the church/gathers and seals Israel - see Rev 7. It continues with the outpouring of wrath in the form of the trumpets, the antichrist, the resurrection/rapture of the two witnesses and the bowls - see Rev 8-11. Once the entire 7th seal is complete, Jesus comes on the clouds to destroy and bind the devil - see Rev 19. Then there is a resurrection of ONLY those who die as martyrs during the time of wrath on the Day of the Lord. They are judged by the church are rewarded with eternal life. See Rev 20. The rest of the dead are not resurrected/judged until the end of the millennium because there is still living and dying to do during the millennium.

The tribulation began when Israel was desolated and continues to the time of the end, just like Jesus said in Matt 24 and Daniel 11 said, when a very specific event happens (Joel 2) and the elect are gathered. Then the antichrist arises.

The antichrist/devil has nothing to do with the abomination of desolation or the great tribulation. He arises after the great tribulation is cut short and is here during the time of wrath on the Day of the Lord.

These are scriptural FACTS. It says what it says.

 

[LovedofHim]

The problem with this idea is that the 144k are not ev saved util after the tribulation has started. The fact is no one is rapture until the post trib return of Christ.

Where have you been?

The great tribulation that started with the desolation of Israel and lasts until the time of the end is cut short before the antichrist arises. So says Jesus and Daniel.


31And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. 32And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
33And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. 34Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. 35And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.



Matt 24: 15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) (1)

21For then shall be great tribulation, (2) such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. (3)


23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. (4)
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before.


The elect for whom the tribulation is cut short is described in Revelation 7 and Revelation 12. Note their location and the timing.

 

[LovedofHim]

AGAIN YOU BASE YOUR BELIEFS ON SILENCE, YOU READ INTO SCRIPTURE THINGS IT IS NOT EVEN SAYING, SPECULATION OVER SPECULATION, I COULD DO THE SAME, THERES NO CARS MENTIONED IN REVELATIONS SO I CAN DETERMINE THAT THERE IS NO MORE GASOLINE AT THE TIME OF THE END, YOU CAN'T BASE DOCTRINE FROM SILENCE!

No, certainly not silence AT ALL.

What happens at the time of the "rapture"?

Christ appears for a millisecond in time, the dead are raised, we are all changed and caught up to the throne of God.

Everywhere the church is shown in Revelation, we are shown at the throne of God, dwelling in heaven, except when the martyrs are asking to be avenged, they are "under the altar" until they (and we) are given our white robes (glorified bodies) and are next seen before the throne of God!

Revelation 7 shows the church in heaven. Revelation 12 shows the church in heaven. YOU KNOW that there is a resurrection, change to immortality as we are gathered to God in heaven, so just how do you suppose we got there in Revelation 7 and 12?


I could point to at least five, if not more, scriptures that show the timing of the church's departure to heaven and YOU KNOW that departure is preceeded by a resurrection.


Isaiah 26: 19Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
20Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. 21For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Think about what that scripture is saying. That is a resurrection and gathering prior to wrath on the Day of the Lord.

You think the resurrection and gathering is when Christ comes on the clouds to destroy but even Isaiah 26 proves that theory wrong.

 

[LovedofHim]

When someone comes along and virtually hijacks a thread, it can be irritating; but I think someone needs to calm down. You keep hollering like this you're gonna have very sore fingertips by morning
And the rest of us are gonna go cross-eyed!

If someone understands the Truth of Scripture, I want them to speak up and be able to defend what they are saying with scripture so that I will see it, don't you?

Do we want to understand TRUTH or do we just want a forum to push doctrines of men?

I am a serious believer in God Almighty and I believe His Word. This is not a game to me. I am a committed, ALL IN, no going back, die-hard, Spirit-filled child of God.


There is no scripture that says the abomination of desolation is the antichrist or anything he does.


There is no scripture that says the great tribulation is "satan's wrath". He's not even here during the great tribulation, but arises after it is cut short.

There is NO scripture that says the church endures the antichrist during the time of wrath on the Day of the Lord.


These things are being pushed as truth when they are PROVEN wrong by scripture.

People would rather believe the falsehoods repeated by doctrines of men than believe what Jesus ACTUALLY SAID.

 

[4runner]

If someone understands the Truth of Scripture

If anything at all is evident, it is you have no idea what scripture teaches

 

[yeshuasavedme]

This morning, I've been struggling with the rapture. Some very faithful prophets are saying it will be pre-tribulation, but the Bible says that those who endure to the end will be saved

Are you saved? -Yes. Then Jesus has a word for you to watch and pray that you be counted worthy to escape all these things coming on all the inhabitants of the earth, and to stand before the Son of Man.

Standing before the Son of Man is a term for "priesthood", as priests in His New Man name in the heavenly temple and dwelling in the heavenly City of God.

Who has to endure to the end to be saved? -Those who remain and see the translation to glory of the watching and waiting believers in Christ, and who repent and believe in the Name of the Son of Man, and follow Him. They are the ones who must endure to the end to be saved.

What about the 144,000? They are Jews, twelve thousand male virgins of twelve tribes of Israel, who become believers in their Messiah and are "translated to glory", mid trib, as firstfruits of the last harvest which is to come at the end of the millennial reign, when the redeemed of earth will be translated to glory without dying, for there is no more resurrection of the righteous after the first resurrection ends, which comes in three stages: firstfruits, main ingathering, and the resurrection of the martyrs at the end of the tribulation, with their translation to glory.

You get revelation from God from Scripture that correlates with Scripture, not from words that are isolated and out of context to that which is written, and which cannot be changed.

Enoch is the first book of eschatology, written by the prophet who is the seventh from Adam. He wrote of the rapture -translation to glory of the saints- before the triblution, in chapter 50 of the parables.
Those who are changed to glory depart. those who remain and repent must endure, and they are saved in His name, but they "get no glory".
Those who do not repent are those who are removed from the earth for its cleansing for the millennial Sabbath of peace.

[rapture -translation to glory in garments of priesthood =the changed body]
50 And in those days a change shall take place for the holy and elect,
And the light of days shall abide upon them,
And glory and honour shall turn to the holy,



["taken away to glory before the tribulation]
2On the day of affliction on which evil shall have been treasured up against the sinners.
And the righteous shall be victorious in the name of the Lord of Spirits:
[it is not a secret taking away, and those who see and repent will endure to the end, and be saved in His name]
And He will cause the others to witness this
That they may repent
And forgo the works of their hands.
3They shall have no honour through the name of the Lord of Spirits,
Yet through His name shall they be saved,
And the Lord of Spirits will have compassion on them,
For His compassion is great.
4And He is righteous also in His judgement,

[the earth will be cleansed of all evil and all the wicked will be removed in the time coming, after the taking away of the saints to Glory]
And in the presence of His glory unrighteousness also shall not maintain itself:
At His judgement the unrepentant shall perish before Him.
5And from henceforth I will have no mercy on them, saith the Lord of Spirits.

 

[POSTIOS]

Jesus' words about pearls before swine comes to mind.

Hi. If a Christian was a swine, then fine. If a Christian was a dog then fine.
But since a Christian is neither, then we can repeat.

Listen, there is not two second comings. There is one return.

I agree on that.

It begins when He appears in the sky and resurrects/removes the church/gathers and seals Israel - see Rev 7. It continues with the outpouring of wrath in the form of the trumpets, the antichrist, the resurrection/rapture of the two witnesses and the bowls - see Rev 8-11. Once the entire 7th seal is complete, Jesus comes on the clouds to destroy and bind the devil - see Rev 19. Then there is a resurrection of ONLY those who die as martyrs during the time of wrath on the Day of the Lord. They are judged by the church are rewarded with eternal life. See Rev 20. The rest of the dead are not resurrected/judged until the end of the millennium because there is still living and dying to do during the millennium.

The tribulation began when Israel was desolated and continues to the time of the end, just like Jesus said in Matt 24 and Daniel 11 said, when a very specific event happens (Joel 2) and the elect are gathered. Then the antichrist arises.

The antichrist/devil has nothing to do with the abomination of desolation or the great tribulation. He arises after the great tribulation is cut short and is here during the time of wrath on the Day of the Lord.

These are scriptural FACTS. It says what it says.

I stand corrected. We disagree.

I thought you agreed that there was one coming? And then you describe two?
What am I missing? How is the so called two part Coming, really one?
Actually, I know how you think that. You are a pretrib rapture believer.
I have some distant family that are pretrib rapture believers.

I don't believe that for a second, but I guess we are all free to believe as we see fit.

He comes a second time, not a seconmd and a third.
Happy studying!

 

[Choose Wisely]

Jesus' words about pearls before swine comes to mind.

Listen, there is not two second comings. There is one return. It begins when He appears in the sky and resurrects/removes the church/gathers and seals Israel - see Rev 7. It continues with the outpouring of wrath in the form of the trumpets, the antichrist, the resurrection/rapture of the two witnesses and the bowls - see Rev 8-11. Once the entire 7th seal is complete, Jesus comes on the clouds to destroy and bind the devil - see Rev 19. Then there is a resurrection of ONLY those who die as martyrs during the time of wrath on the Day of the Lord. They are judged by the church are rewarded with eternal life. See Rev 20. The rest of the dead are not resurrected/judged until the end of the millennium because there is still living and dying to do during the millennium.

The tribulation began when Israel was desolated and continues to the time of the end, just like Jesus said in Matt 24 and Daniel 11 said, when a very specific event happens (Joel 2) and the elect are gathered. Then the antichrist arises.

The antichrist/devil has nothing to do with the abomination of desolation or the great tribulation. He arises after the great tribulation is cut short and is here during the time of wrath on the Day of the Lord.

These are scriptural FACTS. It says what it says.

Scriptural facts????? LOL. You have a interesting imagination. They are not scriptural facts, they are your incorrect interpretation of the scriptures.

 

[joyfulmom]

I believed in the Pre-Trib rapture until a couple of weeks ago when I read I Thess. 5:16-18. This, by the way, is the "proof text" for those believing in the Rapture before the Tribulation. There was a cross-reference by "the trumpet of God" which took me to I Cor. 15:52. That verse says this trumpet of God is the "last" trumpet.
Well, that made me go to Rev. 11:15 which tells about the "seventh" trumpet.

Many scholars believe these are two separate trumpets. However, the 7th trumpet in Rev. 11 is blown right before Christ sets up His kingdom here earth. That means, through logic, it is the "last trumpet"! If we are raptured when the last trumpet sounds, according to I Thess. 5:16-18 and I Cor. 15:52, then we are going to go through the Tribulation period. How many "last trumpets" can there be, logically?

Another piece of logic is this. When Christ comes back to earth after the Tribulation, Christians call that the "Second Coming" of Christ. They acknowledge His first coming was when He was born in human flesh. YET, they want to believe in a Pre-Trib Rapture where they say Christ IS COMING in the clouds to meet us, etc. In reality, if you do the math - that makes THREE comings, doesn't it? And why would Jesus have to come halfway to meet us to take us back to Heaven? Couldn't He just stay seated on His throne, blow the trumpet, and have all of us appear in Heaven?

When I read that the trumpet that was being blown was "the last trumpet", that settled the issue for me. Hope this helps.

 

[yedida]

I believed in the Pre-Trib rapture until a couple of weeks ago when I read I Thess. 5:16-18. This, by the way, is the "proof text" for those believing in the Rapture before the Tribulation. There was a cross-reference by "the trumpet of God" which took me to I Cor. 15:52. That verse says this trumpet of God is the "last" trumpet.
Well, that made me go to Rev. 11:15 which tells about the "seventh" trumpet.

Many scholars believe these are two separate trumpets. However, the 7th trumpet in Rev. 11 is blown right before Christ sets up His kingdom here earth. That means, through logic, it is the "last trumpet"! If we are raptured when the last trumpet sounds, according to I Thess. 5:16-18 and I Cor. 15:52, then we are going to go through the Tribulation period. How many "last trumpets" can there be, logically?

Another piece of logic is this. When Christ comes back to earth after the Tribulation, Christians call that the "Second Coming" of Christ. They acknowledge His first coming was when He was born in human flesh. YET, they want to believe in a Pre-Trib Rapture where they say Christ IS COMING in the clouds to meet us, etc. In reality, if you do the math - that makes THREE comings, doesn't it? And why would Jesus have to come halfway to meet us to take us back to Heaven? Couldn't He just stay seated on His throne, blow the trumpet, and have all of us appear in Heaven?

When I read that the trumpet that was being blown was "the last trumpet", that settled the issue for me. Hope this helps.

Good for you.
Now study the last 3 fall feasts, that is, if you haven't already. You'll find some interesting things to chew on.

 

[Choose Wisely]

joyfulmom;56994153]

I believed in the Pre-Trib rapture until a couple of weeks ago when I read I Thess. 5:16-18. This, by the way, is the "proof text" for those believing in the Rapture before the Tribulation. There was a cross-reference by "the trumpet of God" which took me to I Cor. 15:52. That verse says this trumpet of God is the "last" trumpet.
Well, that made me go to Rev. 11:15 which tells about the "seventh" trumpet.

Now that you have become confused you should realize that the Last Trump is blown on the Feast of Trumpets and is not blown by an angel.

Many scholars believe these are two separate trumpets. However, the 7th trumpet in Rev. 11 is blown right before Christ sets up His kingdom here earth. That means, through logic, it is the "last trumpet"! If we are raptured when the last trumpet sounds, according to I Thess. 5:16-18 and I Cor. 15:52, then we are going to go through the Tribulation period. How many "last trumpets" can there be, logically?

Well, there's the Last Trump, blown on the Feast of Trumpets.
There's the Trump of God which is the voice of God.
And there's the 7th trumpet blown by an angel.

Another piece of logic is this. When Christ comes back to earth after the Tribulation, Christians call that the "Second Coming" of Christ. They acknowledge His first coming was when He was born in human flesh. YET, they want to believe in a Pre-Trib Rapture where they say Christ IS COMING in the clouds to meet us, etc. In reality, if you do the math - that makes THREE comings, doesn't it? And why would Jesus have to come halfway to meet us to take us back to Heaven? Couldn't He just stay seated on His throne, blow the trumpet, and have all of us appear in Heaven?

Well, you're making progress.

When I read that the trumpet that was being blown was "the last trumpet", that settled the issue for me. Hope this helps.

When Paul wrote about the Last Trump no one would have known what he was talking about if it was the 7th trumpet blown by an angel. John did not write Revelation for many years later. The Jews understood what the Last Trump was because it was blown on the Feast of Trumpets.


AND HOW DID YOU GET 2 MILLION PLUS BLESSINGS WITH 7 POSTS????????

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I believed in the Pre-Trib rapture until a couple of weeks ago when I read I Thess. 5:16-18. This, by the way, is the "proof text" for those believing in the Rapture before the Tribulation. There was a cross-reference by "the trumpet of God" which took me to I Cor. 15:52. That verse says this trumpet of God is the "last" trumpet.
Well, that made me go to Rev. 11:15 which tells about the "seventh" trumpet.

Many scholars believe these are two separate trumpets. However, the 7th trumpet in Rev. 11 is blown right before Christ sets up His kingdom here earth. That means, through logic, it is the "last trumpet"! If we are raptured when the last trumpet sounds, according to I Thess. 5:16-18 and I Cor. 15:52, then we are going to go through the Tribulation period. How many "last trumpets" can there be, logically?

Another piece of logic is this. When Christ comes back to earth after the Tribulation, Christians call that the "Second Coming" of Christ. They acknowledge His first coming was when He was born in human flesh. YET, they want to believe in a Pre-Trib Rapture where they say Christ IS COMING in the clouds to meet us, etc. In reality, if you do the math - that makes THREE comings, doesn't it? And why would Jesus have to come halfway to meet us to take us back to Heaven? Couldn't He just stay seated on His throne, blow the trumpet, and have all of us appear in Heaven?

When I read that the trumpet that was being blown was "the last trumpet", that settled the issue for me. Hope this helps.

The Word of God is not a fast food doctrine bar, and one cannot make doctrine up that is not totally correlating with the Living Oracles which were committed "only" to the namesake people of the New Man name, to show His one plan for the redemption of the sons of Adam.

We learn doctrines from the "Schoolmaster/Tutor", which was given to teach and instruct us His plans for us.

The "last trump" is not found in Revelation, which Paul speaks of for the call to "be gathered together unto the LORD as the ingathered harvest of earth, called "Pentecost", but is found in the Living Oracles, in Numbers 1`0:1-7. The silver trumpets Moses was shown in heaven were typed by Him in the Oracles, according to the pattern shown, and they are used to call the congregation to be gathered together before the LORD, at the doors of the tabernacle/temple.
One blast of the two together calls the elders, and two blasts of the two together calls the entire congregation to be gathered together before the doors, to hear the instruction of YHWH.

You'll find the instructions the congregation is given in Isaiah 26:19-21, when they are gathered together to Him before His temple doors, before that day of tribulation can come [Isaiah 27].

You'll find His commandment to "gather my people together unto Me", before He judges the earth, in Psalm 50.

You'll find what the congregation does, behind the shut doors of His temple, in the Oracles of Leviticus 8, which is to be dressed in holy garments and celebrate the consecration to priesthood dressed in New Man garments of priesthood [bodies made for Glory].
You'll also find how long the consecration to priesthood celebration goes on, behind the shut doors, in Leviticus 8 [one week].

You'll find the LORD "taking away out of the midst of the earth the saints, which are His congregation, before He judges the inhabitants of the whole earth, and their hearts melt for fear, in Psalm 75:2,3 [in the original Hebrew].


You'll see that there is no way anyone can have a doctrine that is new, which is not found and revealed in the Living Oracles committed to the namesake people of the New Man name, when you learn that unto the Jews only, who bear the name of the New Man -who is YHWH the Word come in flesh- when you are instructed in the Oracles committed to His namesake people.

Hbr 5:12
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which [be] the first principles[abc's] of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Rom 3:1,2 ...What advantage hath the Jews... Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
The gathering together unto Christ is called by two heavenly trumpets type din silver by Moses, which blow once, and then a second time in the series of two, ordained to call the entire congregation to be gathered together unto the LORD, before His temple doors.


We who are alive and remain shall be changed at the last blast of the two gathering together to the LORD trumpets, and we shall meet them in the air/heavens, and so shall we ever be with the LORD.
First thing we do is -we party!

 

[Super Kal]

I believed in the Pre-Trib rapture until a couple of weeks ago when I read I Thess. 5:16-18. This, by the way, is the "proof text" for those believing in the Rapture before the Tribulation. There was a cross-reference by "the trumpet of God" which took me to I Cor. 15:52. That verse says this trumpet of God is the "last" trumpet.
Well, that made me go to Rev. 11:15 which tells about the "seventh" trumpet.

Many scholars believe these are two separate trumpets. However, the 7th trumpet in Rev. 11 is blown right before Christ sets up His kingdom here earth. That means, through logic, it is the "last trumpet"! If we are raptured when the last trumpet sounds, according to I Thess. 5:16-18 and I Cor. 15:52, then we are going to go through the Tribulation period. How many "last trumpets" can there be, logically?

Another piece of logic is this. When Christ comes back to earth after the Tribulation, Christians call that the "Second Coming" of Christ. They acknowledge His first coming was when He was born in human flesh. YET, they want to believe in a Pre-Trib Rapture where they say Christ IS COMING in the clouds to meet us, etc. In reality, if you do the math - that makes THREE comings, doesn't it? And why would Jesus have to come halfway to meet us to take us back to Heaven? Couldn't He just stay seated on His throne, blow the trumpet, and have all of us appear in Heaven?

When I read that the trumpet that was being blown was "the last trumpet", that settled the issue for me. Hope this helps.

thats one of the ways i came to it as well

the sad thing is, people actually think there are two "last trumpets", two "second comings", or two "first resurrections"

 

[yedida]

The Word of God is not a fast food doctrine bar, and one cannot make doctrine up that is not totally correlating with the Living Oracles which were committed "only" to the namesake people of the New Man name, to show His one plan for the redemption of the sons of Adam.

We learn doctrines from the "Schoolmaster/Tutor", which was given to teach and instruct us His plans for us.

The "last trump" is not found in Revelation, which Paul speaks of for the call to "be gathered together unto the LORD as the ingathered harvest of earth, called "Pentecost", but is found in the Living Oracles, in Numbers 1`0:1-7. The silver trumpets Moses was shown in heaven were typed by Him in the Oracles, according to the pattern shown, and they are used to call the congregation to be gathered together before the LORD, at the doors of the tabernacle/temple.
One blast of the two together calls the elders, and two blasts of the two together calls the entire congregation to be gathered together before the doors, to hear the instruction of YHWH.

You'll find the instructions the congregation is given in Isaiah 26:19-21, when they are gathered together to Him before His temple doors, before that day of tribulation can come [Isaiah 27].

You'll find His commandment to "gather my people together unto Me", before He judges the earth, in Psalm 50.

You'll find what the congregation does, behind the shut doors of His temple, in the Oracles of Leviticus 8, which is to be dressed in holy garments and celebrate the consecration to priesthood dressed in New Man garments of priesthood [bodies made for Glory].
You'll also find how long the consecration to priesthood celebration goes on, behind the shut doors, in Leviticus 8 [one week].

You'll find the LORD "taking away out of the midst of the earth the saints, which are His congregation, before He judges the inhabitants of the whole earth, and their hearts melt for fear, in Psalm 75:2,3 [in the original Hebrew].


You'll see that there is no way anyone can have a doctrine that is new, which is not found and revealed in the Living Oracles committed to the namesake people of the New Man name, when you learn that unto the Jews only, who bear the name of the New Man -who is YHWH the Word come in flesh- when you are instructed in the Oracles committed to His namesake people.

Hbr 5:12
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which [be] the first principles[abc's] of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Rom 3:1,2 ...What advantage hath the Jews... Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
The gathering together unto Christ is called by two heavenly trumpets type din silver by Moses, which blow once, and then a second time in the series of two, ordained to call the entire congregation to be gathered together unto the LORD, before His temple doors.


We who are alive and remain shall be changed at the last blast of the two gathering together to the LORD trumpets, and we shall meet them in the air/heavens, and so shall we ever be with the LORD.
First thing we do is -we party!

Huh? to that I highlighted in green could you dumb it down for me?

 

[Zadok7000]

I'm like......huh? Did that come from my own mind, or was that from God? I dont' know!

Your mind. I speak from lessons learned at great personal pain.

 

[Zadok7000]

Hear ye.........hear ye.............hear ye!!!!!!!!!

I am now going to speak many words of wisdom and truth!

I have finally figured this whole thing out!

The answer is this........

YOU CAN"T FIGURE IT OUT!!!!!!!!! NOBODY CAN!!!!!

Then why did God bother to tell you about it? So you can decide it's not important? God is NOT the author of confusion. Meat is tougher then Milk to digest, to be sure, but it's necessary for your survival. Don't let the satanic doctrine of a pre-trib rapture stand in your way.

 

[Choose Wisely]

Then why did God bother to tell you about it? So you can decide it's not important? God is NOT the author of confusion. Meat is tougher then Milk to digest, to be sure, but it's necessary for your survival. Don't let the satanic doctrine of a pre-trib rapture stand in your way.

Satanic doctrine????? I think you need a few more lessons. You might study up on fig trees.

 

[Zadok7000]

Satanic doctrine????? I think you need a few more lessons. You might study up on fig trees.

Friend, I was deceived by that doctrine myself in the late 1990s. My Father has taught me many lessons about it through His Word. 100% Satanic.

 

[Choose Wisely]

Friend, I was deceived by that doctrine myself in the late 1990s. My Father has taught me many lessons about it through His Word. 100% Satanic.

Hi Zadok,

There are countless Biblical proofs that there will be a pretrib rapture.

Do you think that there would be all of this alien abduction nonsense around if Satan didn't know there was a pretrib rapture? Why do you think Star Trek had the transporter that made people disappear? The world is being conditioned to the belief that "aliens did it"

There will be a pre trib rapture.....