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Let's try to steer the thread back to when the rapture happens
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Let's try to steer the thread back to when the rapture happens
I say it past.
I have heard recently that some folks think the rapture has started - and is related to a number of people dying.
Not sure why they would say that since the rapture is about resurrecting the righteous dead and translating the living directly to heaven. Not about Christians dying.
Anyone else hearing of this?
In upside down world, yes. Six feet apart, six feet under.
Remember: You are keeping your distance due to a virus. A virus!
You know how I would show love? Hugs and kisses. Touch is very important for humans. So is human connection (the opposite of distancing).
But it's all a matter of perspective. I can see your point of view. In these times there is no other choice....and to me, that's hellish.
But I live alone. You are likely surrounded by loved ones who you can touch and feel.
A virus that kills, a virus you can be carrying due to your lack of concern about it and not even know because you could be in incubation period, or an asymptomatic carrier.
Your hugs and kisses can put someone on a ventilator or even kill them.
I believe when it happens.. the world will not see it. Jesus will be the last thing people think came and took His own as He promised.
Isn't there a verse that says (paraphrasing), "Every eye shall see, every knee shall bow"? This doesn't sound very secretive.
I honestly wish my friends didn't tell me about the rapture. It scared me so much, I lay awake in bed worrying I'd miss it and thinking everyone I loved would be gone. It messed me up so much that coming home to an empty house meant I was "left behind."
Adding to this, I grew up with abuse, so I really needed to hear, instead, that God is love. This didn't sound very loving (separating and dividing). And why would God be a thief, or secretive, anyway?
So much I could say.... I wish I had never read Revelations, and I wish I had distanced myself from all end-time discussions growing up.
That part is really important, notice that the gathering of the saints to Jesus (the rapture) is connected to the second coming of Jesus, not separate. The rapture is the first event OF the second coming, just like the first coming was not just His birth, but all the things He did in His earthly ministry, His death, burial, and resurrection. So the rapture, wrath of God, bema seat (where rewards are given out), wedding supper of the lamb, armageddon, millennial kingdom (or if you want to be amillennial, fine whatever just skip to final judgement), and final judgement are all parts of the second coming, even though they happen over the course of years.2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
The rapture happens in the "twinkling" of an eye... It doesn't "start"... It happens.. Faster than you can blink.I have heard recently that some folks think the rapture has started - and is related to a number of people dying.
Not sure why they would say that since the rapture is about resurrecting the righteous dead and translating the living directly to heaven. Not about Christians dying.
Anyone else hearing of this?
Yes.. but it has only been in the last few years where:Oh, yeah. People have been saying that for the last 2000 years. Paul said in one place, "Who, concerning the Truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some." 2Timothy 2:18. But, you're right, the rapture and resurrection of the righteous will happen at Jesus' 2nd coming. Since that hasn't happened yet, it's obvious the rapture hasn't happened yet either.
there are visible signs that precede it. So that is a start. It can be anticipated, otherwise Jesus wouldn't have told us to watch for it.The rapture happens in the "twinkling" of an eye... It doesn't "start"... It happens.. Faster than you can blink.
I agree..there are visible signs that precede it. So that is a start. It can be anticipated, otherwise Jesus wouldn't have told us to watch for it.
Well, the protestants may have been the first to really listen to Paul....Yes, all sorts of different theories of the "rapture" have been dreamed up by various Protestant denominations in the past couple of hundred years, which was when the idea first came into existence. Jesus Christ never mentioned it, and the one Church He founded, to which He promised the fullness of God's truth, has always rejected such unbiblical nonsense.
I have heard recently that some folks think the rapture has started - and is related to a number of people dying.
Not sure why they would say that since the rapture is about resurrecting the righteous dead and translating the living directly to heaven. Not about Christians dying.
Anyone else hearing of this?